Erik ten Hag | 2022/23 & 2023/24

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It has been a very bad season but I don’t get why people keep saying it’s the worse season ever. Have people got short memory. I’m pretty sure we finished 7th in 13/14 the season where giggs finishes the season managing us. Was that not a worse season? Or the season Rangnick took over and we finished 6th that year. That was dreadful. At least this season the games are more entertaining despite not winning all of them we’re seeing goals. Under Rangnick we couldn’t create anything and they was boring as anything.

Not really. When we finished 7th, we won our CL group and got into QFs, far better than the disastrous campaign this year. We also got to 64 points in the league while having a GD of +21. It was a much better season than this one.

This year, it’s not just about horrific league performance but also an unbelievably bad CL campaign, we haven’t had a season even in recent years where we would be so hopeless both in league and Europe. And the extent of our CL fiasco is truly unprecedented, we finished bottom of the group, winning only one game and conceding 16 goals in a group with Copenhagen and Galatasaray, two of the worst teams to play in CL.
 
That’s actually a good point and could be a valid reason to keep him. We have been so horrible this season that we could finish 5th on 60 points next year and that will be a big improvement and a reason to keep him for another year, in which we could get 2-3 more points and claim second consecutive EL spot.

Or we could be even worse next season which would give us an even better reason to keep him one more year beyond that because then we will certainly not get any worse anymore.
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It has been a very bad season but I don’t get why people keep saying it’s the worse season ever. Have people got short memory. I’m pretty sure we finished 7th in 13/14 the season where giggs finishes the season managing us. Was that not a worse season? Or the season Rangnick took over and we finished 6th that year. That was dreadful. At least this season the games are more entertaining despite not winning all of them we’re seeing goals. Under Rangnick we couldn’t create anything and they was boring as anything.
We're likely to finish 8th and even that would be fortunate based on performances. By many metrics we're a bottom 3rd side, we were never this bad.
 
For those obsessed with the 400m number, is it really impossible to think about how it was constructed, and whose fault that really was? Or is that too much to ask? I'm on the fence with ETH because I think whatever experiment he's trying has failed, and he's not changing it, which seems daft. But the amount of sh*t he gets on transfers is ridiculous.

Firstly, and most importantly, he is the manager. None of us are in the rooms, but he is explicitly not the one negotating terms and fees. He is clearly consulted and identifies targets, but it is not his job to get them at the right price. It is also not his job to set or even be able to impact the overall transfer budget. There are plenty of people at United who can, should and have taken the blame for that. And they're largely gone now thankfully.

Secondly, on to the actual situation. In his first summer, he identified that we had no midfield. Fans rejoiced. He identified the need for an energetic number 6 who could dictate play. He suggested FdJ, Barcelona said huzzah money, Frankie said no. Said negotiators tried all summer and failed. In the meantime, he did bring in Eriksen on a free to bolster numbers as short-term solution. He brought in our future player of the season for a similar fee to Arsenal buying Timber. He also brought in a young LB to provide cover. That was it. That's what we entered the season with. After a pretty thorough squad clean out. He also identified the need for a left-footed forward to augment the attack, especially given we'd lost Greenwood. Fast forward to two terrible defeats finally lighting a fire under the upper-management's backsides, and they panic buy. They make a 30 year old Casemiro one of the most expensive transfers in history, and throw all the money at Ajax to get Antony. Those two buys are basically half the money ETH is beaten up for. A player he didn't want, and one we hugely overpaid for - which I maintain was not his job or fault. For me, that was a terrible summer from a terrible management who didn't support ETH properly.

Then he was forced - again because of a good, needed clear-out, to try to find decent players available on loan, because we literally didn't have a CF and backup MF. At the 'biggest club in hte world'. And you know what? You don't get great players on loan.

Second summer I do think is more on ETH. We needed a new keeper, got one in line with fees paid by other clubs for keepers. And after an awful first few months, he's been largely fine. We needed 2 new CFs, ETH got one, again at huge expense because that's what United negotiators do. Look around, great sages of the caf, and give us your CFs purchased last summer that have been incredible successes, that we could have/should have gone for. And we got Mount. I'll be the first to admit I don't get it, but also the first to admit I can't get it because he hasn't been fit to show what his role is.

What I see is that ETH has not come close to being able to replace the pure first-team squad numbers he has removed, and has brought in a very low number of players. Of which, 3 have been injured this entire season. Put another way, all of ETH's defensive signings have not been able to play this season.

All I see from the 400m is about 150m worth of players that our amazing negotiators paid 250m over the odds for. Now maybe you want to beat up ETH for that, but I really don't think that's his fault.

Beat him up for playing a donut formation, for playing Rashford through this 'form' for failing to instill game-management into senior players. But you can't say it's his players that have us in 6th. Outside of the keeper, the most minutes are all played by players here before he arrived.
 
I'm expecting him to stay. My expectations for next season are at its lowest it's ever been.
 
Not really. When we finished 7th, we won our CL group and got into QFs, far better than the disastrous campaign this year. We also got to 64 points in the league while having a GD of +21. It was a much better season than this one.

This year, it’s not just about horrific league performance but also an unbelievably bad CL campaign, we haven’t had a season even in recent years where we would be so hopeless both in league and Europe. And the extent of our CL fiasco is truly unprecedented, we finished bottom of the group, winning only one game and conceding 16 goals in a group with Copenhagen and Galatasaray, two of the worst teams to play in CL.
If your gonna compare points then let’s have a look at when we finished 3rd with ole and only had 66 pts and then the year before that we finished 6th on 66 pts. The points only tell you how good the other teams around you have been aswell, since getting 3rd on the same points you got when finishing 6th means the teams when we finished 3rd must have been bad around us. As for the CL, yes we’ve had a bad campaign but can you really compare it to a group where we had Leverkusen who weren’t good back then, sociedad and shakhtar? This year we had Bayern, Galatasaray who are better than your making them out to be and have won there league. We got screwed over by a red against Copenhagen. But I agree this is by far the worse season in regards to GD.
 
The only way he can stay is if there is the mother of all clearouts and squad overhauls, because next season will be much of the same shite otherwise.

I still think he's a dead man walking.
 
For those obsessed with the 400m number, is it really impossible to think about how it was constructed, and whose fault that really was? Or is that too much to ask? I'm on the fence with ETH because I think whatever experiment he's trying has failed, and he's not changing it, which seems daft. But the amount of sh*t he gets on transfers is ridiculous.

Firstly, and most importantly, he is the manager. None of us are in the rooms, but he is explicitly not the one negotating terms and fees. He is clearly consulted and identifies targets, but it is not his job to get them at the right price. It is also not his job to set or even be able to impact the overall transfer budget. There are plenty of people at United who can, should and have taken the blame for that. And they're largely gone now thankfully.

Secondly, on to the actual situation. In his first summer, he identified that we had no midfield. Fans rejoiced. He identified the need for an energetic number 6 who could dictate play. He suggested FdJ, Barcelona said huzzah money, Frankie said no. Said negotiators tried all summer and failed. In the meantime, he did bring in Eriksen on a free to bolster numbers as short-term solution. He brought in our future player of the season for a similar fee to Arsenal buying Timber. He also brought in a young LB to provide cover. That was it. That's what we entered the season with. After a pretty thorough squad clean out. He also identified the need for a left-footed forward to augment the attack, especially given we'd lost Greenwood. Fast forward to two terrible defeats finally lighting a fire under the upper-management's backsides, and they panic buy. They make a 30 year old Casemiro one of the most expensive transfers in history, and throw all the money at Ajax to get Antony. Those two buys are basically half the money ETH is beaten up for. A player he didn't want, and one we hugely overpaid for - which I maintain was not his job or fault. For me, that was a terrible summer from a terrible management who didn't support ETH properly.

Then he was forced - again because of a good, needed clear-out, to try to find decent players available on loan, because we literally didn't have a CF and backup MF. At the 'biggest club in hte world'. And you know what? You don't get great players on loan.

Second summer I do think is more on ETH. We needed a new keeper, got one in line with fees paid by other clubs for keepers. And after an awful first few months, he's been largely fine. We needed 2 new CFs, ETH got one, again at huge expense because that's what United negotiators do. Look around, great sages of the caf, and give us your CFs purchased last summer that have been incredible successes, that we could have/should have gone for. And we got Mount. I'll be the first to admit I don't get it, but also the first to admit I can't get it because he hasn't been fit to show what his role is.

What I see is that ETH has not come close to being able to replace the pure first-team squad numbers he has removed, and has brought in a very low number of players. Of which, 3 have been injured this entire season. Put another way, all of ETH's defensive signings have not been able to play this season.

All I see from the 400m is about 150m worth of players that our amazing negotiators paid 250m over the odds for. Now maybe you want to beat up ETH for that, but I really don't think that's his fault.

Beat him up for playing a donut formation, for playing Rashford through this 'form' for failing to instill game-management into senior players. But you can't say it's his players that have us in 6th. Outside of the keeper, the most minutes are all played by players here before he arrived.

I think it’s far more realistic to believe that a manager who is heavily involved in transfers and has significant authority over our dealings will have been made aware of a) what our overall financial capability is, b) what it will require to close those deals than to believe he was kept completely in the dark over both.

Of course at a competent club none of these deals go through but I don’t for a second believe ETH was unaware of all of this.
 
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Not really. When we finished 7th, we won our CL group and got into QFs, far better than the disastrous campaign this year. We also got to 64 points in the league while having a GD of +21. It was a much better season than this one.

This year, it’s not just about horrific league performance but also an unbelievably bad CL campaign, we haven’t had a season even in recent years where we would be so hopeless both in league and Europe. And the extent of our CL fiasco is truly unprecedented, we finished bottom of the group, winning only one game and conceding 16 goals in a group with Copenhagen and Galatasaray, two of the worst teams to play in CL.

Needs to be taken into consideration that we had won the league the year before and had a squad full of proven winners.

That said, overall I agree, this season is the worst I can remember watching. The amount of late game losses is like a sick inversion of watching us under Fergie. We should have a worse goal difference tbh, considering how any and every team has cut through us like tissue paper. We’ve been lucky that a number of teams have fluffed their chances with our defence on their heels.
 
If your gonna compare points then let’s have a look at when we finished 3rd with ole and only had 66 pts and then the year before that we finished 6th on 66 pts. The points only tell you how good the other teams around you have been aswell, since getting 3rd on the same points you got when finishing 6th means the teams when we finished 3rd must have been bad around us. As for the CL, yes we’ve had a bad campaign but can you really compare it to a group where we had Leverkusen who weren’t good back then, sociedad and shakhtar? This year we had Bayern, Galatasaray who are better than your making them out to be and have won there league. We got screwed over by a red against Copenhagen. But I agree this is by far the worse season in regards to GD.
Galatasaray were knocked out of EL they dropped into by Sparta Prague, the same team that got obliterated by Liverpool in the following round. They were miles worse than any of the teams we faced in 13-14 and so were Copenhagen (who barely made it out of qualifiers against Polish champions, Raków, where having watched both games Raków were by far the more dangerous team). Our 13-14 group was actually fairly tricky as all three sides were solid, this year it was one good team (that we still got to play on their holidays in the final game which was convenient) and two very bad teams.

As for the league, obviously points are a good measure as they indicate your own performance. The league has actually been quite weak this year and we are still struggling to get to 60.
 
For those obsessed with the 400m number, is it really impossible to think about how it was constructed, and whose fault that really was? Or is that too much to ask? I'm on the fence with ETH because I think whatever experiment he's trying has failed, and he's not changing it, which seems daft. But the amount of sh*t he gets on transfers is ridiculous.

Firstly, and most importantly, he is the manager. None of us are in the rooms, but he is explicitly not the one negotating terms and fees. He is clearly consulted and identifies targets, but it is not his job to get them at the right price. It is also not his job to set or even be able to impact the overall transfer budget. There are plenty of people at United who can, should and have taken the blame for that. And they're largely gone now thankfully.

Secondly, on to the actual situation. In his first summer, he identified that we had no midfield. Fans rejoiced. He identified the need for an energetic number 6 who could dictate play. He suggested FdJ, Barcelona said huzzah money, Frankie said no. Said negotiators tried all summer and failed. In the meantime, he did bring in Eriksen on a free to bolster numbers as short-term solution. He brought in our future player of the season for a similar fee to Arsenal buying Timber. He also brought in a young LB to provide cover. That was it. That's what we entered the season with. After a pretty thorough squad clean out. He also identified the need for a left-footed forward to augment the attack, especially given we'd lost Greenwood. Fast forward to two terrible defeats finally lighting a fire under the upper-management's backsides, and they panic buy. They make a 30 year old Casemiro one of the most expensive transfers in history, and throw all the money at Ajax to get Antony. Those two buys are basically half the money ETH is beaten up for. A player he didn't want, and one we hugely overpaid for - which I maintain was not his job or fault. For me, that was a terrible summer from a terrible management who didn't support ETH properly.

Then he was forced - again because of a good, needed clear-out, to try to find decent players available on loan, because we literally didn't have a CF and backup MF. At the 'biggest club in hte world'. And you know what? You don't get great players on loan.

Second summer I do think is more on ETH. We needed a new keeper, got one in line with fees paid by other clubs for keepers. And after an awful first few months, he's been largely fine. We needed 2 new CFs, ETH got one, again at huge expense because that's what United negotiators do. Look around, great sages of the caf, and give us your CFs purchased last summer that have been incredible successes, that we could have/should have gone for. And we got Mount. I'll be the first to admit I don't get it, but also the first to admit I can't get it because he hasn't been fit to show what his role is.

What I see is that ETH has not come close to being able to replace the pure first-team squad numbers he has removed, and has brought in a very low number of players. Of which, 3 have been injured this entire season. Put another way, all of ETH's defensive signings have not been able to play this season.

All I see from the 400m is about 150m worth of players that our amazing negotiators paid 250m over the odds for. Now maybe you want to beat up ETH for that, but I really don't think that's his fault.

Beat him up for playing a donut formation, for playing Rashford through this 'form' for failing to instill game-management into senior players. But you can't say it's his players that have us in 6th. Outside of the keeper, the most minutes are all played by players here before he arrived.
After 11,700 posts I thought you would have learned that common sense does not prevail on the 'Caf.
The days when the Chairman and manager sit down and phone Leeds to ask if Eric Cantona is available for 10x less than what he's worth are well gone.

I think you are dead right, in that United have gone in with stupid offers for bang average players in the hope of getting them, what happened to the days when United were not even mentioned until the price was agreed, and if it leaked, United backed out ?
No club is going to turn down £40m for a bang average player, and no average player is going to turn down £200k a week
 
Needs to be taken into consideration that we had won the league the year before and had a squad full of proven winners.

That said, overall I agree, this season is the worst I can remember watching. The amount of late game losses is like a sick inversion of watching us under Fergie. We should have a worse goal difference tbh, considering how any and every team has cut through us like tissue paper. We’ve been lucky that a number of teams have fluffed their chances with our defence on their heels.
No, of course that was a horrible season and well below expectations, that team was much better than it showed and expectations were way higher. Just in terms of overall quality, performance, results it was still miles better than this year. We are literally having a season West Ham would be severely disappointed with.
 
No, of course that was a horrible season and well below expectations, that team was much better than it showed and expectations were way higher. Just in terms of overall quality, performance, results it was still miles better than this year. We are literally having a season West Ham would be severely disappointed with.

Yup, no disagreement there.
 
Needs to be taken into consideration that we had won the league the year before and had a squad full of proven winners.

That said, overall I agree, this season is the worst I can remember watching. The amount of late game losses is like a sick inversion of watching us under Fergie. We should have a worse goal difference tbh, considering how any and every team has cut through us like tissue paper. We’ve been lucky that a number of teams have fluffed their chances with our defence on their heels.
You weren't around in 73/74 then, that was dire, everyone with an ounce of common sense knew we were down at Christmas, and that followed a period of terrible signings, poor performances, and numerous managerial changes.
 
For those obsessed with the 400m number, is it really impossible to think about how it was constructed, and whose fault that really was? Or is that too much to ask? I'm on the fence with ETH because I think whatever experiment he's trying has failed, and he's not changing it, which seems daft. But the amount of sh*t he gets on transfers is ridiculous.

Firstly, and most importantly, he is the manager. None of us are in the rooms, but he is explicitly not the one negotating terms and fees. He is clearly consulted and identifies targets, but it is not his job to get them at the right price. It is also not his job to set or even be able to impact the overall transfer budget. There are plenty of people at United who can, should and have taken the blame for that. And they're largely gone now thankfully.

Secondly, on to the actual situation. In his first summer, he identified that we had no midfield. Fans rejoiced. He identified the need for an energetic number 6 who could dictate play. He suggested FdJ, Barcelona said huzzah money, Frankie said no. Said negotiators tried all summer and failed. In the meantime, he did bring in Eriksen on a free to bolster numbers as short-term solution. He brought in our future player of the season for a similar fee to Arsenal buying Timber. He also brought in a young LB to provide cover. That was it. That's what we entered the season with. After a pretty thorough squad clean out. He also identified the need for a left-footed forward to augment the attack, especially given we'd lost Greenwood. Fast forward to two terrible defeats finally lighting a fire under the upper-management's backsides, and they panic buy. They make a 30 year old Casemiro one of the most expensive transfers in history, and throw all the money at Ajax to get Antony. Those two buys are basically half the money ETH is beaten up for. A player he didn't want, and one we hugely overpaid for - which I maintain was not his job or fault. For me, that was a terrible summer from a terrible management who didn't support ETH properly.

Then he was forced - again because of a good, needed clear-out, to try to find decent players available on loan, because we literally didn't have a CF and backup MF. At the 'biggest club in hte world'. And you know what? You don't get great players on loan.

Second summer I do think is more on ETH. We needed a new keeper, got one in line with fees paid by other clubs for keepers. And after an awful first few months, he's been largely fine. We needed 2 new CFs, ETH got one, again at huge expense because that's what United negotiators do. Look around, great sages of the caf, and give us your CFs purchased last summer that have been incredible successes, that we could have/should have gone for. And we got Mount. I'll be the first to admit I don't get it, but also the first to admit I can't get it because he hasn't been fit to show what his role is.

What I see is that ETH has not come close to being able to replace the pure first-team squad numbers he has removed, and has brought in a very low number of players. Of which, 3 have been injured this entire season. Put another way, all of ETH's defensive signings have not been able to play this season.

All I see from the 400m is about 150m worth of players that our amazing negotiators paid 250m over the odds for. Now maybe you want to beat up ETH for that, but I really don't think that's his fault.

Beat him up for playing a donut formation, for playing Rashford through this 'form' for failing to instill game-management into senior players. But you can't say it's his players that have us in 6th. Outside of the keeper, the most minutes are all played by players here before he arrived.
Great post! The 400m transfers is just another reason to beat ETH with.
 
For those obsessed with the 400m number, is it really impossible to think about how it was constructed, and whose fault that really was? Or is that too much to ask? I'm on the fence with ETH because I think whatever experiment he's trying has failed, and he's not changing it, which seems daft. But the amount of sh*t he gets on transfers is ridiculous.

Firstly, and most importantly, he is the manager. None of us are in the rooms, but he is explicitly not the one negotating terms and fees. He is clearly consulted and identifies targets, but it is not his job to get them at the right price. It is also not his job to set or even be able to impact the overall transfer budget. There are plenty of people at United who can, should and have taken the blame for that. And they're largely gone now thankfully.

Secondly, on to the actual situation. In his first summer, he identified that we had no midfield. Fans rejoiced. He identified the need for an energetic number 6 who could dictate play. He suggested FdJ, Barcelona said huzzah money, Frankie said no. Said negotiators tried all summer and failed. In the meantime, he did bring in Eriksen on a free to bolster numbers as short-term solution. He brought in our future player of the season for a similar fee to Arsenal buying Timber. He also brought in a young LB to provide cover. That was it. That's what we entered the season with. After a pretty thorough squad clean out. He also identified the need for a left-footed forward to augment the attack, especially given we'd lost Greenwood. Fast forward to two terrible defeats finally lighting a fire under the upper-management's backsides, and they panic buy. They make a 30 year old Casemiro one of the most expensive transfers in history, and throw all the money at Ajax to get Antony. Those two buys are basically half the money ETH is beaten up for. A player he didn't want, and one we hugely overpaid for - which I maintain was not his job or fault. For me, that was a terrible summer from a terrible management who didn't support ETH properly.

Then he was forced - again because of a good, needed clear-out, to try to find decent players available on loan, because we literally didn't have a CF and backup MF. At the 'biggest club in hte world'. And you know what? You don't get great players on loan.

Second summer I do think is more on ETH. We needed a new keeper, got one in line with fees paid by other clubs for keepers. And after an awful first few months, he's been largely fine. We needed 2 new CFs, ETH got one, again at huge expense because that's what United negotiators do. Look around, great sages of the caf, and give us your CFs purchased last summer that have been incredible successes, that we could have/should have gone for. And we got Mount. I'll be the first to admit I don't get it, but also the first to admit I can't get it because he hasn't been fit to show what his role is.

What I see is that ETH has not come close to being able to replace the pure first-team squad numbers he has removed, and has brought in a very low number of players. Of which, 3 have been injured this entire season. Put another way, all of ETH's defensive signings have not been able to play this season.

All I see from the 400m is about 150m worth of players that our amazing negotiators paid 250m over the odds for. Now maybe you want to beat up ETH for that, but I really don't think that's his fault.

Beat him up for playing a donut formation, for playing Rashford through this 'form' for failing to instill game-management into senior players. But you can't say it's his players that have us in 6th. Outside of the keeper, the most minutes are all played by players here before he arrived.

If you don't blame Ten Hag for the Antony transfer, you won't blame him for anything. It's not just the money. If he didn't say, this guy is nowhere near good enough for the Premier League, let alone United, he's not the right man. He can't beat a player.
 
You weren't around in 73/74 then, that was dire, everyone with an ounce of common sense knew we were down at Christmas, and that followed a period of terrible signings, poor performances, and numerous managerial changes.
Everyone is just annoyed and angry which is understandable so everyone’s gonna say this is the worse season ever even though it probably isn’t because people won’t go so far back. That will all be erased from memory.
 
You weren't around in 73/74 then, that was dire, everyone with an ounce of common sense knew we were down at Christmas, and that followed a period of terrible signings, poor performances, and numerous managerial changes.

Yeah, I was 12-11 years off being born. I did say worst I had seen, I’m not trying to claim we’ve never been worse.
 
I do actually agree with Casemiro though, it was quite clearly a club transfer more than it was ETH transfer. At the same time he was our second most important player last season.
 
I will watch the interview later today so I can’t comment yet but if he’s going to stay at least change the fecking style of play, we can’t continue playing like shit every week regardless if we win or lose. Arsenal, City etc are playing a different sport to the shit we’re serving up.

I’m not after excuses either, we have had a load of injuries but there are teams with much worse squads than ours playing a better brand of football it needs sorting as priority it’s a fecking disgrace in all honesty. Negative goal difference and conceding chances at the level of relegation fodder Sheff United and Luton? no excuse for that
 
Ancelotti. Real Madrid only have a single striker in the squad, Joselu. He's a 34-year-old journeyman who failed in the Premier League. They are on track to win the league and in the semis of the Champions League.



Ancelotti and Zidane. Real Madrid spent over 100 million euros on Eden Hazard and he was perpetually injured. He contributed substantially less than either Martial or Jones and had an astronomically large salary. While he was at the club Real Madrid won two league titles and the Champions League. Then there's less-known players like Vallejo, Mariano.

You could throw Gareth Bale into the mix.



Probably Zidane, who had to rely on Vinicius Jr. and Rodrygo back when they had almost no experience due to serious injuries to Hazard and Asensio in 19/20. He won the league.



Zidane and Ancelotti had Luka Jovic in the squad, a 'replacement' for Benzema who scored 3 goals in 3 seasons at the club.



Zidane had to deal with Bale and James.

But generally Real Madrid just has players who the club can't get rid of. For example, in the comeback against City in 2022, Jesus Vallejo and Dani Ceballos came in as late subs. Vallejo is a permacrock who's barely had a top level career and Ceballos was coming off two unremarkable seasons on loan to Arsenal and spent most of 21/22 out injured.


It's simply not the case that top clubs have these perfectly assembled squads with no holes or problems.

Some woeful takes in this:

Madrid have Joseulu but have a system with Vini and Rodrigo and 6 world class midfielders around it and this is for one season whilst they await Mbappe. Every single one of Madrid's 8 players in those positions (and Brahim Diaz) would be a starter here.

19/20 season - Madrid had Vini and Rodrigo aye but they had Benzema who scored 27 goals that year and had Jovic (admittedly a failure), Hazard played 20 games etc.

Madrid's injury prone shite players were of a higher proven level than ours and they do a pretty good job at just binning them off when they're shit. They don't persevere with them for 10 years pretending that the next season they'll develop Lazarus like regeneration and have no injuries
 
I’m fine with him staying, if INEOS think that’s the right decision and that he’s not to blame for this shitshow of a season. The injuries have been ridiculous, and the player quality of those who have been available is frankly mid-table. Two of our most important players from last season have been injured for most of the season, and another two have fallen off a cliff. Our three best and most consistent players have been two teenagers and a right back.

So yeah, fine with him staying, but it must also mean a significant clearout.
 
Yeah, I was 12-11 years off being born. I did say worst I had seen, I’m not trying to claim we’ve never been worse.
I doubt you can find full games, because most of it was edited out for Match Of The Day, but even the bits they kept in convey just how bad we were in that season.
 
I think it’s far more realistic to believe that a manager who is heavily involved in transfers and has significant authority over our dealings will have been made aware of a) what our overall financial capability is, b) what it will require to close those deals than to believe he was kept completely in the dark over both.

Of course at a competent club none of these deals go through but I don’t for a second believe ETH was unaware of all of this.
I don't even think recruitment is the main thing held against him. It's part of the parcel but the biggest concern is the man's inability to prevent this team being opened up every single game without fail and doing nothing to change it.

And then he's telling people we play entertaining and dynamic football when we've failed on just about every metric this season. Recruitment records go out of the window when you reach those levels of delusion. He hasn't a scooby.
 
It has been a very bad season but I don’t get why people keep saying it’s the worse season ever. Have people got short memory. I’m pretty sure we finished 7th in 13/14 the season where giggs finishes the season managing us. Was that not a worse season? Or the season Rangnick took over and we finished 6th that year. That was dreadful. At least this season the games are more entertaining despite not winning all of them we’re seeing goals. Under Rangnick we couldn’t create anything and they was boring as anything.

For neutrals maybe, we're dull as feck to watch from a supporters point of view.
 
The only way he can stay is if there is the mother of all clearouts and squad overhauls, because next season will be much of the same shite otherwise.

I still think he's a dead man walking.
Stop reading The Sun
 
After 11,700 posts I thought you would have learned that common sense does not prevail on the 'Caf.
The days when the Chairman and manager sit down and phone Leeds to ask if Eric Cantona is available for 10x less than what he's worth are well gone.

I think you are dead right, in that United have gone in with stupid offers for bang average players in the hope of getting them, what happened to the days when United were not even mentioned until the price was agreed, and if it leaked, United backed out ?
No club is going to turn down £40m for a bang average player, and no average player is going to turn down £200k a week

When were those days?
 
People are still arguing about ETH capabilities and suitability :D.

This is a discussion some of us had it here long long before, we were called names but the fact remains. ETH will never win 29-30 games a season in PL. Never. He doesn't understand how to control football matches.
You can never win 30 games in a season when you can't control virtually all your matches.

You need to control 38 games even if you lose them
Have 5-6 desperate games in those 38 games.
Have 3-4 games where you play badly/out of form sort of
Then win the other 28-30 games. That's the standard.

That's what Pep does. Is what Arteta is trying to do and fight off.
ETH has not shown anything that he can achieve this. Just the way he setups the team you can tell we will never win 25 games in a PL season.
How people expect him to magically transform to a Pep form coach is delusional. City last lost a football game in December 2023, bar the penalty shootout against Madrid.

People have to accept, we hired a very substandard coach. Let's move on early
 
Maybe I misunderstood you and if so, my bad. I don’t remember saying that ETH fans are inherently flawed.

I was joking about the Glazer apologist thing. I think if we did a poll on the Glazers it would be 100% out.

I think the reality is that both the Glazers and the structure is rot, the players are certainly not good enough and ETH has been subpar.

Hey, no problem , I could of been clearer to be fair to you!


It’s the implication that “you are a loyal ETH supporter” that I have an issue with. I’m a United fan who thinks the clubs been a mess since SAF retired. It’s been run into the ground by the glazers (and by extension the people they empower to ruin it).

Managers can only be empowered by other people at the club. Only other people can change how the clubs being run (including manager choices). Choosing completely different kinds of managers every time has been a huge reason why we need entire rebuilds and why our squads look so disjointed.

It also meant that each new manager has had a huge job to get us anywhere near to where we want to get to. This is compounded by absolutely god awful negotiations (Woodard/arnold or whoever) for players in/out and contract extensions.

There’s more but it’s all been written before, but my overall point is that I’m not loyal to any one of our managers , I just see the major issues being how those above them have been compounding all our problems with bad decisions after bad decisions. It doesn’t mean the managers are or have been good enough, it means I feel even if the managers might of been good enough we will never know cause they were working in sub optimal conditions
 
This poll is stupid it gives a false impression of where people are with him. I want him gone as I think he's the worst united manager I've ever seen. But not until the structure is in place more than it is now so a coherent plan can be made on the style and therefore manager hire.
The original poll was fine, leave it going and make it public. Simple.
 
It has been a very bad season but I don’t get why people keep saying it’s the worse season ever. Have people got short memory. I’m pretty sure we finished 7th in 13/14 the season where giggs finishes the season managing us. Was that not a worse season? Or the season Rangnick took over and we finished 6th that year. That was dreadful. At least this season the games are more entertaining despite not winning all of them we’re seeing goals. Under Rangnick we couldn’t create anything and they was boring as anything.

They're entertaining for fans who love to see United playing so poorly. Not so much for the rest of us.

This is the worst we've been since I started following United, in my opinion. The stats bear it out. The squad is awful and frankly, I think the manager is miles out of his depth and his own worst enemy all at the same time. It's painful both on and off the pitch.
 
It has been a very bad season but I don’t get why people keep saying it’s the worse season ever. Have people got short memory. I’m pretty sure we finished 7th in 13/14 the season where giggs finishes the season managing us. Was that not a worse season? Or the season Rangnick took over and we finished 6th that year. That was dreadful. At least this season the games are more entertaining despite not winning all of them we’re seeing goals. Under Rangnick we couldn’t create anything and they was boring as anything.
13/14 - 7th with 64 points. Scored 64, conceded 43 in the league (goal difference of +21). In the CL we topped our group before going on to lose to Bayern in the quarters.
21/22 - 6th with 58 points. Scored 57, conceded 57 (goal difference of 0). In the CL we topped our group then lost against Atletico in the Round of 16,

Considering our current form and our last four fixtures, there's a fairly strong chance we end the PL season in 8th with lower points, lower goals scored, more goals conceded and a negative goal difference, all while finishing last in our CL group. What's almost worse is that based on our actual performances we should be significantly lower, and we're being bailed out by individual moments and a lot of luck.

It's clearly up there with 21/22 as our worst season in the PL era, and by most metrics it's worse. If we turn things around and get some decent results in the last four games then maybe that'll change, but it's not looking good.
 
This poll is stupid it gives a false impression of where people are with him. I want him gone as I think he's the worst united manager I've ever seen. But not until the structure is in place more than it is now so a coherent plan can be made on the style and therefore manager hire.
The original poll was fine, leave it going and make it public. Simple.

Did you temporarily go blind in 2013/14?
 
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