don’t think Chelsea are really setting any examples here but it’s actually pretty clever to create yet another extremely low bar for EtH to be measured against.
Like Benito said It was tongue in cheek, it’s why I said “dumbass logic”.
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Like Benito said It was tongue in cheek, it’s why I said “dumbass logic”.
It’s a bit different when the £400m is spent mostly on players that the manager handpicked, and had even managed before. Ten Hag should absolutely be held accountable.
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Wait we’re not actually arguing this point are we?
Ancelotti. Real Madrid only have a single striker in the squad, Joselu. He's a 34-year-old journeyman who failed in the Premier League. They are on track to win the league and in the semis of the Champions League.
Ancelotti and Zidane. Real Madrid spent over 100 million euros on Eden Hazard and he was perpetually injured. He contributed substantially less than either Martial or Jones and had an astronomically large salary. While he was at the club Real Madrid won two league titles and the Champions League. Then there's less-known players like Vallejo, Mariano.
You could throw Gareth Bale into the mix.
Probably Zidane, who had to rely on Vinicius Jr. and Rodrygo back when they had almost no experience due to serious injuries to Hazard and Asensio in 19/20. He won the league.
Zidane and Ancelotti had Luka Jovic in the squad, a 'replacement' for Benzema who scored 3 goals in 3 seasons at the club.
Zidane had to deal with Bale and James.
But generally Real Madrid just has players who the club can't get rid of. For example, in the comeback against City in 2022, Jesus Vallejo and Dani Ceballos came in as late subs. Vallejo is a permacrock who's barely had a top level career and Ceballos was coming off two unremarkable seasons on loan to Arsenal and spent most of 21/22 out injured.
It's simply not the case that top clubs have these perfectly assembled squads with no holes or problems.
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I watched it and it was great. Great performance from Dortmund, although they weren’t perfect.
Sancho looks like the Sancho we bought, or even better perhaps.
I don‘t think our squad can play with this much intensity for a whole game. It is what Ten Hag wants.
And to point out the obvious: Ten Hag beat Dortmund in CL twice in 2021: 7-1 on aggregate.
He's not talking like a manager that's facing the sack and it worries me. It's inconceivable that we're prepared to embark on another campaign with him at the helm after this shitshow season.
I hope it's him being delusional and not the club telling him that he's safe until next season.
I hope it's him being delusional and not the club telling him that he's safe until next season.
I still hope he stays. I choose to look on the bright side, and next season can’t possibly be as bad as this season.
I am just going to quote myself (I know) because the discussion keeps on senselessly going.
Again: Ten Hag only has not been sacked (yet) because the positions who could and will actually sack him are not filled at the moment. No need to wonder/berate the club/speculate/fear/hope for a next season with him. Once Berrada and Ashworth have finished pullling up the weeds/watering the plants/mowing the lawn, first thing they will do is sack him. He's done but it cannot yet be executed - we have no executives.
Maybe I misunderstood you and if so, my bad. I don’t remember saying that ETH fans are inherently flawed.
I was joking about the Glazer apologist thing. I think if we did a poll on the Glazers it would be 100% out.
I think the reality is that both the Glazers and the structure is rot, the players are certainly not good enough and ETH has been subpar.
Sir Jim could sack him whenever. And even from the period of august right up until Feb, Arnold was still at the club and could have sacked him yet didn't bother to.
Really? Was that the team that had De Jong and DeLigt? The one that made the semis? Was Haaland on that squad? I genuinely don’t remember.
How would that work? Sir Jim has no position at the club. And the lame duck executives are not going to preempt the new appointees with such a decision.
No Frenkie and no De Ligt. Martinez had Haaland in his pocket.
Haaland was probably about 19/20 years old at that stage.
He doesn’t anymore
Tbf Haaland had already excelled against CL competition while he was at Salzburg.
90% of this season has basically been repeating our season opener vs Wolves with differing results, sometimes to a hilariously pathetic effect like losing a game we were winning in 90+10 or throwing away a 3 goal lead to a mid table championship side with 30mins to go. Good chance we finish the season with negative GD as well.
Sticking with a proven failure hoping for something different to happen is definition of insanity.
If INEOS were serious about their stated aim of winning trophies, firing ETH should be one of, if not the first things on their agenda whenever possible.
Sticking with a proven failure hoping for something different to happen is definition of insanity.
If INEOS were serious about their stated aim of winning trophies, firing ETH should be one of, if not the first things on their agenda whenever possible.
All this media talk about ETH working closely with Wilcox on next season’s planning makes me think he will be around for sometime. Not sure how I feel about that.
Well, if anything, this post just cleared my mind up on who I’d like to see us replace Ten Hag with.
Which players aren't playing for the club or the manager?
Rashford maybe, but everyone else out there looks like they are trying. They are just being set up to fail in a ridiculous system where every part of the team gets isolated. We are being deliberately set up to be incredibly open, allowing even Championship teams to rip us apart through the middle and constantly create decent opportunities. This is on the manager, not the players.
Mourinho and Rangnick are the only managers that the players really threw under the bus, and Mourinho completely deserved it as he threw them under it first and went out of his way to create a toxic dressing room.
Sometimes people don't seem to recognise that managers can fail without the players being at fault. Indeed a failing manager generally makes players look worse than what they really are.
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Zidane and Ancellotti had Ronaldo, Modric and Kroos in their prime we have Scott Mctominay and Antony
That’s obviously not a fair equivalence. More accurate to say we have Bruno and Rashford in their prime (as disappointing as Rashford is).
That’s actually a good point and could be a valid reason to keep him. We have been so horrible this season that we could finish 5th on 60 points next year and that will be a big improvement and a reason to keep him for another year, in which we could get 2-3 more points and claim second consecutive EL spot.
Or we could be even worse next season which would give us an even better reason to keep him one more year beyond that because then we will certainly not get any worse anymore.
Neither lays a glove on any of the players I listed for Real and again just proves my point our "best" players are nowhere near the players those managers had available
ETH spend 400 million, so the expectation is that Antony and Onana are our best players, by a large margin, comparable to Real's superstars. Especially since ETH had worked with them in the past and he knew them well, and also these players were familiar with "his systems". No?
Oh, yes, also: How long would Real keep the manager if they lost 7-0 to Barca?
They had Ronaldo, Modric, and Kroos, we have Antony, Onana and Mount, handpicked by our manager to make United Great Again. ETH believes that Antony is unstoppable. Do you think that ETH doesn't know Antony? He has worked with him for many years.
He had but it's not like we're talking about a guy in his prime, he was still a kid. Even now he has his quiet days or periods of poor form.
You hope a manager stays that has produced a season as bad as you can possibly imagine? Makes sense.
Well it couldn't get much worse and even a better season than this one wouldn't necessarily be a good one.
Weirdly you've taken this as a defense of EtH when really all I did was highlight the disparity between the players the managers had available, EtH should be doing better with the players he has but to pit him against those managers who had those teams is disingenuous
exactly my thoughts
SJR has full control of the football aspect of the club, so yes he can sack him whenever he wants!
This man isn't going anywhere. He's just done an interview with Gary Neville on skysports. The club is clearly trying to change the perception of fans and the media of him. For better or worse, we're stuck with him.
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Ye and only seen him rip defenders apart in the Dutch league. It’s very different over here. We have more physical defenders.
It has been a very bad season but I don’t get why people keep saying it’s the worse season ever. Have people got short memory. I’m pretty sure we finished 7th in 13/14 the season where giggs finishes the season managing us. Was that not a worse season? Or the season Rangnick took over and we finished 6th that year. That was dreadful. At least this season the games are more entertaining despite not winning all of them we’re seeing goals. Under Rangnick we couldn’t create anything and they was boring as anything.
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