We are far worse than people think. Now I noticed something funny that should cheer up @SilentWitness? Everton have a better xG and xGA against than us with respectively 47.6 and 47.9.
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We are far worse than people think. Now I noticed something funny that should cheer up @SilentWitness? Everton have a better xG and xGA against than us with respectively 47.6 and 47.9.
That’s true, if you let an opponent at you they can force the luck eventually. I don’t understand why we didn’t make some more tactical fouls and regrouped in a lower block.
Yeah in the dressing room he's saying "don't listen to them, we're brilliant. Carry on as we were "
He went up in my estimation with his reaction. He should have said shall we just put Liverpool in the final in our place?
That would make all the mediocre career pundits happy right? Obviously… Liverpool would have beaten Coventry 8-0 so they deserve the final surely?
That would make all the mediocre career pundits happy right? Obviously… Liverpool would have beaten Coventry 8-0 so they deserve the final surely?
No he's not. The press wouldn't have this shit to throw at him if we weren't embarrassing on Sunday /The season!
Because the current squad is exactly what I described as not fitting the bill; a handful of first choice picks, a few club signings driven by a dysfunctional footballing department, some emergency loan signings and free stopgaps, some youth players, and a load of legacy brought in to play an almost antithetical style of football.
We didn’t let them shoot constantly 2/3rds of the game. Not following the game plan for the last 3rd (slowing the game down, keeping the ball, not forcing playing with players out of position) these things all went out of the window after the 3rd goal.
Is a moot point really because leaving too much space has been a theme of the season. I just don’t think it applied in this specific game where the tactical setup and game plan was fine. Just my opinion though
He’s not. His reaction is how people who ill-suited for the job sound. When you choke a 3-0 lead away and were lucky not to concede in ET, you have no business complaining about the media.
The media didn’t choke. The team did. The correct response to accept responsibility. Yelling at the media makes him look like a prat who threw all of his toys out the pram.
If you want to be a big boy club you have handle the media correctly.
"Erik! Stunning comeback at Wembley against the mighty Coventry City. What was your team talk heading into extra time?"
I don’t see other teams getting as slaughtered for losing matches as we do for winning one.
Football is a crazy sport. If we beat City we deserve the cup. We’d arguably have played 3 of the greatest FA cup games in a row and barely any team ever could claim that sort of entertainment winning the trophy.
Football is entertainment despite what Guardiola is trying to achieve and our last 2 FA Cup games have elevated this tournament. The good and the bad.
We are the one side left making this years cup interesting and that’s a fact.
We are in the final. Cry more when we beat City.
The fans reacted badly to the game, even those in the ground. The players accepted it wasn't good. The media called it for what it was. Yet he takes issue with it and thinks everyone else's reaction was wrong. He's honestly fecking deluded.
It is complete bollocks. A "handful of first choice picks" alone is more than vast majority of managers can say about their squads. It's "his" squad as much as manager's squad can be.
So us being shit is actually a good thing? We should be proud then, because we're absolute horse shit. Every week.
Yeah, first time I see the winning team acting like they lost the shootout. Conveyed my feelings perfectly, since I'd stopped caring if we win a while ago.
Chelsea was entertaining as well tbh.
We literally knocked Liverpool out the game before… We beat City too we’ve beaten the so called top two sides in the country.
That liverpool game was a classic too. We are bringing something. City are bringing the same dull by the numbers football and 115 charges to the table.
Hilarious we’ll be painted as the villains even as underdogs against a club that cheats in the final. I just find it funny all round.
How many of the signings have been former players of his? Also bearing in mind that before Ajax his style was based on fast transition and fairly low defensive line what exactly makes this squad not his?
Spot on. We've boiled so much piss for years that they can't wait to batter United for absolutely anything. Cup upsets happen every year, yet we did win in the end, against a side just 22 places below us in the league.
Forget the massive deflection and dubious penalty, United bottled it apparently
Those Coventry players sensed an opening in literally the biggest game of their lives. Of course they were up for it at the point. While we had what could quite reasonably be considered a championship level defence and the rest of the team was filled with players either past it, never had it or, to be charitable, going through a really bad time.
Chill out folks. It really wasn't that bad.
Why do people take things to such extremes?
I had the same feeling when we won as I did just a few weeks ago when we nearly carried out daylight robbery against Brentford and went 1-0 up. And funnily enough, that day ETH talked about our inability to defend a lead, when we should have been absolutely hammered by Brentford. He's got quite a collection of bollocks he's talked now.
We last beat City sixteen months ago, we can't still be celebrating that, can we? If so, well let's not forget Liverpool knocking seven goals past us since then.
The Liverpool game was a classic, I agree, so was the Coventry one. It's fun when an underdog does well.
Nobody will paint us as 'villains'.
We are underdogs.
Isn’t that the manager who Man United fans wanted out after 3 years in charge , in a season we finished 13th and only kept his job because of an FA cup run that needed Mark Robbins help in a less then convincing path to the final ?
Or are comparisons with Ferguson only allowed when he does something that makes ETH look bad ?
And before any Numpty jumps in , I’m not comparing ETH with SAF, I’m just pointing out it’s easy to pick and choose what parts of SAF career and qualities we want to use to make a point.
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Yeah that's exactly why I feel he could be a good fit for the club,however like Ducker says we are right to be concerned about his character at previous clubs
That defence had defenders costing £140m, and a £60m midfielder the manager had chosen to play there instead of someone who actually plays in defence for their national team (and whose legs haven't very clearly gone).Spot on. We've boiled so much piss for years that they can't wait to batter United for absolutely anything. Cup upsets happen every year, yet we did win in the end, against a side just 22 places below us in the league.
Forget the massive deflection and dubious penalty, United bottled it apparently
Those Coventry players sensed an opening in literally the biggest game of their lives. Of course they were up for it at the point. While we had what could quite reasonably be considered a championship level defence and the rest of the team was filled with players either past it, never had it or, to be charitable, going through a really bad time.
Chill out folks. It really wasn't that bad.
I still don't really understand why people are saying "it was just a flukey game" when what happened after 70 minutes was completely predictable based on how we've been playing for a whole season.
The amount of Dutch league targets we were in serious links with/willing to pursue was the first red flag for me.
He's losing it.
Interesting to see on another Utd forum they are backing him for calling out the media
Respect him for calling out the media. They are cnuts.
Let's see if we beat City first before proclaiming it as anything. We beat Liverpool who had half their team made up of youth players by the time we took ascendancy.
I'd rather play like City than us. They're competing for the biggest trophies whilst we're competing for 7th place. We bring entertainment for the neutrals and opposition fans, where any team has a chance against us. That's not good for us though.
I would agree with them if the media were wrong. The only reason people seem to back him up is because they want to have a dig at the media or because they follow a logic of "I can be honestly harsh but you can't."
They should have asked him does he also think all the United fans that thought it was embarrassing are a disgrace as well.
I'd perfectly understand this furious overreaction to the media coming after, I dunno, say, beating City in the final.
You know, actually achieving something of merit.
You know, actually achieving something of merit.
Bingo.
Also, has he been talking about how good our performances have been in spite of the results all year and now suddenly it's all about the result?
Isn’t that the manager who Man United fans wanted out after 3 years in charge , in a season we finished 13th and only kept his job because of an FA cup run that needed Mark Robbins help in a less then convincing path to the final ?
Or are comparisons with Ferguson only allowed when he does something that makes ETH look bad ?
And before any Numpty jumps in , I’m not comparing ETH with SAF, I’m just pointing out it’s easy to pick and choose what parts of SAF career and qualities we want to use to make a point.
The issue with any comparison with Fergie at that point is what he'd already achieved at Aberdeen.
Or the previous seasons with United.
So do I. I don’t get the fascination people have with interviews. It really doesn’t matter most of the time, what a manager says , particularly if they are doing well.
If they are doing poorly , everything and anything can and will be used against them.
I remember Ferguson keeping the media on a very tight leash. He’d say whatever he wanted and cause he was our guy we’d row in behind it. Remember SAF saying somebody could of been killed in a game which was funny because it was a load of bollox.
I see managers interviews as them saying what they feel needs to be said for the team or themselves. That can be lieing or not really saying how they really feel. I mean fans and media focusing on the manager means that the team gets less scrutiny, I used to think SAF used to say the craziest sh*t sometimes just to do that. He’d prob rip the hole off the team in the backround.
Regardless of what ETH says or why he’s saying it, I don’t think there’s anything he can say that won’t be twisted against him or could cause damage to the team. We look bereft of confidence, I don’t see how ETH saying we are dogsh*t bad can help in any capacity.
Teams who are actually challenging for top honors and have a real chance of it and who play consistently well can get rockets from their managers every so often.
It is just too bad it wasnt a bag of money defending then if all that matters is the value of the defenders. We would have won a game between bags of money pretty easy. Our expensive 40 million full back was the one giving away goals for free. Everyone knows we have been fleeced for Maguire who is decent but who will still lose on speed and agility against Championship players. That 140m isnt exactly 140m worth of quality.
Also i think having 'legs' is more important in midfield as if is to have 'legs' in central defense.
I certainly wasnt expecting to lose control like that against a Championship team.
And Aberdeen were a quality team in Scotland when he said it so there was already high standards there. There’s been no high standards at United since 2013, some of you keep pretending we are a super club, but we’ve been anything but that on field.
feck the media.
Completely silent on City issues, shitting on United every chance they get.
It will be the same if Tuchel comes, english media are pushing for one of their local darlings Southgate or Potter to get the job.
Completely silent on City issues, shitting on United every chance they get.
It will be the same if Tuchel comes, english media are pushing for one of their local darlings Southgate or Potter to get the job.
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