Don’t they need a summer transfer window before they can actually do anything of note?
Erik ten Hag | 2022/23 & 2023/24
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Case and point
EDIT: Asserting we can replace the manager every year without issue when we haven't even evaluated the performance of those in the job above the manager is wild
Feel for the guy. Still think he's a good manager in general but even with the injuries and squad issues, his team's not playing/performing anywhere near good enough.
Feel like he could still do well if he ends up at, say, Bayern. But think there's not really any way back for him at United
Feel like he could still do well if he ends up at, say, Bayern. But think there's not really any way back for him at United
So how is that relevant to sacking the manager?
He could be given a chance next season but I think it's best if he is let go, the new set up with a new manager will need to get serious with this squad and do whatever it needs either make it work or get rid of them.
No I didn't know what you were saying. If you want to tell me what you clearly have in mind go ahead but don't say something else and when I respond to that something else you get defensive. Otherwise say nothing.
But playing to their strengths won't bring success either. You can't win playing that way.
We as a club since Fergie left have never successful played any type of counter attacking football which was not defensive.
What do you mean? Did you see Madrid beat City last week? You can’t just say a certain way of playing football won’t bring any results. We’re not winning anything now and we’re apparently playing ‘modern football’.
The key element is the players. You sign good players and you play to their strengths, that’s what excellent managers do. Bad managers sign players and then shoe horn them into a system that doesn’t work but they have a ‘philosophy’ that’s more important than anything else.
Okay.
It's entirely relevant to this point. You have new people in place at the club who have yet to have their own performance evaluated, and we don't even know if they will be good at their jobs or work well together. Yet you are asserting we can sack the manager every year because of said structure.
Do you realise people said the same thing when Murtaugh was appointed to his new position?
Its entirely dependant on those above the manager actually doing a good job, they have done nothing yet and so the assertion cannot be made
They’re done far more than Murtough ever did before he was given the role and if we don’t put our belief in them that they’re capable of doing what we’re currently asking the manager to do then we might as well sack them all today before they get started.
The managerial position as United will be marginalised moving forward, and rightly so. The managers position should be the easiest to dispense with seeing as it’s one person who has a lot of influence over results. The recruitment team live and die by their recruitment.
If you’re suggesting this isn’t going to work or we shouldn’t do things this way then we might as well just fold the club now. There’s no point in anything if we aren’t even going to trust the new structure to give it a go.
Can someone just send him recordings of this seasons games instead?
I'm suggesting exactly what I said, that we cannot just sack managers every year because a structure is in place. The structure isn't even in place yet and we don't even know if it will work.
I'm suggesting your assertion is not correct.
But yes there is not point the club doing anything because you, someone who has nothing to do with the club, is making wild assertions.
Madrid got lucky against City. The way City played the game was far more likely to produce a positive result. Every now and then the team who play like the little team can eke out a result, but in general, the best teams are the ones who value possession and control. Incidentally, these are two things we massively disregard, so I'm not sure how 'modern' our football is.
You can sign as many players you like who are suited primarily to counter attacking football. You won't get anywhere over 38 league games if you don't value possession or control.
Its a massive problem at this club that this stuff is coming out
We should have paid what it takes to bring Ashworth in. The Sporting director is supposed to analyze different departments and how they work with one another not the technical director
ETH will tell him he has no weaknesses
It's the right way to assess the situation to be fair
Look I don't disagree mate the rebuild hasn't went great, in fact i made a post earlier where I said it's arguably a bigger job to rebuild now than it was 2 years ago so poor has our recruitment been. Ten Hag isn't to blame for all of that, Murtagh and the club are as well.
Fair enough.
Although I don't think its a bigger rebuild now because now we actually have young talents to build around like Mainoo, Garnacho and Hojlund (and some more coming up through the ranks)
If I were to guess, this is a leak from the club to appease people like me who want him gone months ago.
Cox is ready
I see where you are coming from and the youngsters are a bit of light at the end of the tunnel. But I only mean a bigger job in the sense a lot of money has been spent on the likes of Casemiro, Martinez, Antony and Mount etc who all have question marks over them for various reasons. But then hindsight is a wonderful thing I suppose.
Honestly feels like they're pretty much saying he's gone, not sure how he comes back from this kinda stuff.
I think Mount is a good addition for where we are trying to go as a club (more high intensity pressing) which he is really good at.
Martinez is a good player also
I can forgive Arsenal and also Copenhagen as it was with 10 men. Rest of those results are just terrible. Wolves away was also giving up 3-1 lead but Mainoo saved us. When it's happening whole season then there's clearly a problem.
It's the sort of thing that happens when the outcome is known but you're just trying to make up some evidence to support that outcome. Imagine having a guy like Zidane in charge and some rando technical director comes to write up a report on how you're running training. He'd get headbutted straight out of the club.
You'd think there'd probably be a pretty substantial amount of evidence for an "audit" of ETH already
No other club does this publically, which leads me to believe the club isn't quite going in the direction most fans seems to think. Guess we'll see in a couple of years though
Seems absurd to keep him in the job if they harbour such doubts about him.
They’re setting it up so it doesn’t look like some kind of cutthroat, ruthless sacking and look more like a measured, mutual parting between parties.
Just got a 'cannae take the strain' screen now and I thought for a second he'd be sacked. 
It's just a report from the telegraph. Maybe it's just clickbait who knows , they haven't made a public statement. I think they're right to get it assessed by the right person either way.
It's only going one way at this point.
Leaks do not involve public statements, and we know this has been going on a the club for years.
Either way it points to something that needs fixing
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