To be fair to Potter, if I remember correctly he didn't have a preseason and he didn't finish the season. I was unimpressed by his work but at the same time, Chelsea had something like 40 or 50 players, it was one of the biggest mess ever with many players that weren't wanted or couldn't play enough. The stress that this situation created was probably too much especially when you are not an established name.
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To be fair to Potter, if I remember correctly he didn't have a preseason and he didn't finish the season. I was unimpressed by his work but at the same time, Chelsea had something like 40 or 50 players, it was one of the biggest mess ever with many players that weren't wanted or couldn't play enough. The stress that this situation created was probably too much especially when you are not an established name.
76 people on here so far we can confirm are crackers. 
So ETH hasn’t enough players for position and 400 million spent is thrown at him.
But Potter deserves sympathy for inheriting a stronger squad that spent nearly 400 million in the January window potter was there ? hmmm
76 people on here so far we can confirm are crackers.
And 181 we can confirm are bonkers. Is that how it works?
Right but he didn't do it and fell away massively to get sacked mid season. Then he gave Leicester a big turnaround for 1.5 seasons before nosediving again.
What good is absolute sums if the money is allocated poorly?
What are you talking about?
The sympathy is with a manager that didn't have a preseason and had to deal with a very large group of players that he didn't know. And even then I stated that I wasn't impressed by his job.
Unless ETH also had no preseason and had a large group of players that he didn't know entering this season, I don't really know what point you are trying to make.
Yeh, but we’ve had managers better than rodgers who couldn’t even get us in the top 4.
Did you fall asleep in a time capsule before we signed fellaini and only wake up today ? Are you saying United has been allocating money well ?
And yet, this manager got us 3rd with 2 finals in his first crack.
Not saying Ten Hag is the guy per say, and I'm certainly not saying this season is anything outside of a flunk. But he's had one good season and one shit season.
Ange has currently had one very good season, and the jury is very much out on him. Emery I think has done very well with Villa and shown great consistency but hel be entering a period where teams start to lull under a coach next year, and I'd love to see how he does with it. I rate Emery so I hope he keeps Villa punching above their weight.
No, I'm saying the opposite. We spent poorly for a decade before ten hag so this "he had £400m thrown at him" argument holds little weight when it's been spent poorly.
Id rather we spend £150m well than waste the majority of £400m.
Emery should stay at Villa for CL. Regardless of ETH future this summer , I’d rather a manager like him comes in next summer after a season of Purge.
I agree
Being played at CB because every defender was injured. Very different situation.
The club being badly run doesn’t mean the manager isn’t bad. Both can be true. And if the people at the top are clueless, there is every chance that they chose someone not good enough.
And in general even well run clubs mostly make subpar coaching appointments.
It’ll get worse under any of those 3 and we’ll be stuck with them long term
How can you fairly judge a manager at a badly run club ?
Well run clubs don’t need great managers all the time. This is the position I come from on this discussion. If we are well run we don’t need “the next big thing”.
They won’t be sacked in the short term that much can be guaranteed . They’ll want to give them a chance as they choose him as the man to change our fortunes around
Clubs that win have an actual plan that includes having a competent transfer policy that can get players in/out that a manager needs.
Chelsea pre and post Roman is a solid example of this. United pre and post Woodward/Arnold will hopefully confirm that aswell.
I’d rather have no manager then INEOs making a “f**k it let’s try this lad” appointment
That's not the point, well run clubs make poor appointments all the time, that's why they sack managers at a fairly high clip.
The manager should do better, totally agree. The team should be doing better totally agree. This season just hasn’t been good enough , totally agree.
True. The difference is they don’t keep the manager too long when they see it’s not gonna make it.
That's part of being well run. You spot your mistake and try to fix it quickly.
Real, Liverpool, City have had longevity. Sure they had the best managers around but if you take say, Bayern, they jumped the gun too early on Nagelsmann and look pretty stupid for doing so. Arsenal kept faith in a novice and went levels above. Xavi is leaving Barca on his own terms. Chelsea are a shit show under Boehly so yeah, sure they are on a firing spree. But it looks like Poch will get a fair shake.
Do you think , the way United have been so poor in the transfer market that things would have been much better ? Really ? We can’t even build a half decent squad for any manager we’ve had over 2/3 seasons , every manager has inherited a hodge podge unbalanced squad and you think having a higher turnover would of been better ?
It’s one part of being well run. Not being well run , why do people think United would be doing better because of better run clubs make it work ?
You can make the argument that sacking in rage quit moments doesn't do any good either. Chelsea look no better after the Potter experiment was given up on, Bayern looked much worse after getting rid of Nagelsmann.
Honestly , I don’t think potter is good enough as a long term manager , but it INEOs hired him effectively as an interim to help them rebuild (which could mean a sh/8t sesson next year) so that a suitable manager can walk into an actual competent club with more balanced squad , I’d be ok with that. I’m ok with next season being sh*t next season if it’s used just to gut the squad.
Thats why I’m ok if ETH agrees to do what’s told. For me it’s not about ETH, it’s all about what INEOs need to do to turn things around after 11 years of Glazers waste.
I don’t want any big name signings this summer. I want a huge purge.
Yes I also want a huge purge. I think itl probably happen, maybe not to a degree that we all want.
For example I can see us moving on the likes of Wan Bissaka, Greenwood, Lindelof, Casemiro, Varane pretty swiftly.
McTominay, Rashford and Maguire may hang around though.
Yeh we won’t get what we want this summer but id love to see carnage.
I think all three at the end are actually solid subs to have for a year or so while we do a rebuild
and that’s where we should be aiming.
No, we don’t! We can break the rinse and repeat cycle of a new manager, new playing style, new squad every 2 years and actually build something coherent and successful. It just needs a bit of resolve and bravery.
Look at the pay off Arsenal have made for their faith in Arteta when the fans wanted him out. It’s time we tried something different, instead of blindly sacking the manager everytime we hit adversity.
Why do you think Ten Hag is good enough to deserve that?
Well at least 2 people have taken you the wrong way so perhaps you want to be clearer next time. What staff are you referring to?
Flipping the question, this is Ten Hag's first poor performance in management. He had a good first season and a bad second season with us - what makes you so certain that Ten Hag isn't good enough to have one more season?
I would accept defeat on this debate if there was a manager worth their salt available but I'm not quite buying the argument looking at those named.
That is all true, especially the chaos imposed on him by the daft American owner. There's no doubt that Potter was masterful with Brighton and on at least one occasion completely outclassed United tactically, although I may be confusing him with the dozens of managers who have tactically outclassed United managers in recent years.
Quite possibly but they are two sides of the same coin. Yes we've been poorly run laughably so in fact and the biggest aspect of that has been instead of any sort of footballing structure we've basically just given a succession of average or past it managers free reign to build squads and identify a load average players that largely because of this structure we've had to pay over the odds for (and yes the managers dont decide fees but their decisions do affect them). Not least in every season we've been without CL football and had to pay huge fees and wages to attract players. And this of course compounds as we end up with loads average/past it/unsuited players we cant shift etc etc. You know the rest.
I think we're all well aware of our myriad of problems. Now ultimately we know who the real culprits are but the managers themselves have to take a very large chunk of responsibility for this decade of clusterfeckery also. They have to, they took the job, they took the huge wages, they accepted or indeed wanted to act as their own DOF. And one after another they've largely spunked the best part of 1-2 billion on mostly let's be honest shite.
In the case of Ten Hag I happen to think he's a decent manager. But clearly he's out of his depth at United/PL and has lost his way. He just seems a bad fit on just about every level, the longer he's been here the worse we've got. Nothing against the guy he's tried his best and I wish him luck in his career after United.
I'm sorry but I don't understand the question.
Right, we should have keep Moyes then. Less turnover, the better.
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