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Erik ten Hag | 2022/23 & 2023/24
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This is a unique perspective.
Isn't Bruno, Maguire, AWB also in this list. 2 are already 5 years here.
Garnacho is a rat, never liked him. Hate his celebration and don't get what the fuss about his talent.
He is nothing, what trash
Narrator: somehow he did
The vast majority of our squad came here under Ole or Ten Hag. Who beyond Rashford and Shaw are these players who have survived so far past their welcome?
It is a stinking attitude, I am fecking tired of this primadonas bro. What an absolute imbecile disrespecting the manager like that. He is not disrespecting the manager, he is disrespecting Manchester United.
I am fecking livid!!!
Because he (or whoever is in charge of his account) liked a couple of tweets?
“Multiple” managers can’t be two though, it implies they continue to fail multiple managers, and you can’t possibly change an entire squad immediately for a new manager.
Within two years however ETH has been given the luxury of a massive clear out and influx of new players.
Looking forward to seeing the back of him. Ideally would be sacked before the Coventry game, but realistically it'll be after the season. Just hope we aren't behind and have somebody lined up.
This is what baffles me about United over the last ten years. As a club, we don't listen to the players. Instead, we ignore them, badmouth them, then eventually find out that they were right all along. For me, what makes this worse, is that outside of Mourinho, none of the managers we have had deserved to have the credit in the bank that fans gave them automatically. The longest run of good football we've had under any of these managers was the 2 months we got from ETH last season. Ole had his little run at the end of the 19/20 season. Mourinho had the opening month of the season of 17/18. LVG had Juanfield and Moyes, well...he didn't have any. The point is that, for the most part, we've consistently laboured with poor to average football, which was made clear from the start of these managerial tenures. These managers have never started hitting the ground running; yet despite that, we've always shown a level of loyalty and support to them that they had not earned whilst at the club.
This pro-manager, anti-player sentiment has always bothered me, because looking at other clubs, its quite clear that in the modern game, the successful ones are the ones that actually listen to their players and act on the leaks and complaints. Chelsea during the Abramovich era were able to sustain their success through listening to their experienced players to guage how competent the manager was. Madrid have always done this too, as have Barcelona and Bayern Munich. United currently have a squad with Casemiro, Varane, Bruno Fernandes....over the last ten years, we've have a stream of very successful players who've played for and been part of successful outfits. Yet all we've done is muzzle them and try and hound out leaks. Not listening to the frontline staff that actually have to deal with these managers and contend with the instructions their being asked to carry out. Instead, they've been called stupid and incompetent.
For me, it feels like on a weekly basis, particularly this season, our players are being fed to the wolves, going out to games with a poor shape. I actually contend, that the poor structure we've had over the years has been in not having figures ahead of the managers holding them truly accountable for their performances. The players are the ones with a limited shelf life in regard to their careers, their the ones who's value are affected by poor performances and who wouldn't be picked to represent their country due to the displays of their club. So it goes without saying, if team performances aren't great due to tactics, training or communication, the players are the ones who will talk about it. The British media is pro-manager, so it makes sense that the same people negatively reporting overpaid Rashford going on holiday to Ibiza during his time off, are the same ones so willing to call him a prat for performances on the pitch, as opposed to calling out a manager; who is always respected, as "they don't want to see a manager fired".
This is not to say that we don't have some truly average players who need to leave. But its quite clear that for how much we've paid and even their actual quality, this particular team should be playing far better than it has. All this season has exposed is how much crap that anology of giving a manager time really is. Its hypocritical junk. People are fine with flogging off players, but hold a soft spot for the "hard working manager who has to deal with so much". Its this blind faith that's led us here. Unlike with previous managers, the tactical gaps are clear, consistent and plain for all to see. 20 shots conceded consistently per game, a negative goal difference, poor performances since August and a completely open midfield, yet people are still finding it difficult to tear this manager apart, yet won't bat an eye at berating Bruno, Casemiro or Rashford.
I don’t understand, so Martinez and Shaw would change the way we play?
ETH is lucky there has been so many injuries he can fall on, as this is just unacceptable.
ETH is lucky there has been so many injuries he can fall on, as this is just unacceptable.
Him or whoever is in charge should know better. If it is not coming from him, he needs to come out and retract that like.
No matter who the manager is, he represents the club and deserves respect from the players. Garnacho is not even worth it, we have had better players
Somebody wrote not even Busquets, Xavi and Iniesta could make this system work, and it's popped in my head as a thought experiment ever since.
Seeing Xavi absolutely baffled, sprinting away from midfield into attacking positions, and Iniesta hemmed up top with Busquets isolated with acres of space between him and his CM, instead of the perfect equidistance they played out a career with.
Going to end up pondering what each of the great historical midfields would look like if told to not be midfields now.
Seeing Xavi absolutely baffled, sprinting away from midfield into attacking positions, and Iniesta hemmed up top with Busquets isolated with acres of space between him and his CM, instead of the perfect equidistance they played out a career with.
Going to end up pondering what each of the great historical midfields would look like if told to not be midfields now.
Well maybe if Dalot weren't up on free kicks and playing his position they would give up less shots. As Neville said a couple of games ago, it is baffling what these guys are doing. ETH did well with Ajax because they all kind of play the same, I guess we can call it "Beautiful Game" philosophy. In the EPL, you don't have the time and too often get caught out with the lack of structure. Strikers press and score goals, mid give the strikers service and play box to box, defenders defend. I watch and Dalot especially, I have no clue what he is playing half the game. Then expecting Hojlund to be a defender? In fact was watching ETH talking with Mclaren on the side line and Mclaren looked like he was tuned out to what ETH was saying. They are all starting to check out. Reality is, what ETH is doing, isn't working. Not sure if the lack of a plan B is his ego or just a lack of knowledge.
that one and the "changing the manager won't solve all our problems" one.
Should have been sacked after the CL embarrassment, regardless of the ownership situation. Remember when people used to say "let's give him until christmas" and judge him then but it kept moving to january, february and then to end of season. And even now that we've been consistently terrible for months, there are still people who want to give him another season. It will never end, some will never give up. Should have been sacked when the season was still salvageable but we had to do it the United way. We may not be as big as the likes of Real anymore but I'm convinced he would not have survived even at clubs tier below.
Newcastle have been poor this season and they've scored 22 more goals than us. I don't think some people realize how poor we've been and how much results flatter us. Those goal difference stats compared to other United managers say everything. Thinking the new stucture will improve us so much it will mask his shortcomings is just comical at this point.
Newcastle have been poor this season and they've scored 22 more goals than us. I don't think some people realize how poor we've been and how much results flatter us. Those goal difference stats compared to other United managers say everything. Thinking the new stucture will improve us so much it will mask his shortcomings is just comical at this point.
If Ineos stick with him for next season, we are genuinely doomed.
Yes but these 3 players have actually played under 3. And apart from Bruno, the others have managed to underperform under all of them, and if count out ETH who was their last manager, they had already overstay.
At least we will know we're definitely doomed under this new structure if that's their decision.
Probably worst manager at big club. Ever.
Well it has to be doesn't it? Or something resembling it? Otherwise the team would be different....
Players not following orders would be getting subbed, benched, at least criticized..... We've seen him do all of the above before.
Dead Bald Walking.
A case of when now.
A case of when now.
No manager is going to bin a player before he even gets to see them..... Unless they're a fecking idiot
They won't... I can't see anything happening that makes him look like the way forward between now and the end of the season
Yes and all those managers have been sacked because they've undisputably not been good enough
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Garnacho acting like Billy Big bollocks and Amad supporting him.
Dumb move, as one of them has been given ample opportunity to play this season and has not been great recently, while the other (Amad) didn't get his chance because of Prince Childfeeder and now he's really not helping his case.
He said it's not important so he heard the question and decided to go with that for an answer.
It's unforgivable how he has performed as a manager in every aspect of the game.
Who are those caretaker options is the question
I’ve been largely on the “don’t sack him” side of the fence but it’s wavering now quite strongly. And it’s how consistently our midfield is bypassed. Time and time again. No doubt it’s partly the players, but it’s been weeks now that teams have been transitioning through our midfield quickly and uncontested, and nothing changes.
It's pointless having a caretaker unless it's McLaren. Just announce that we'll be parting ways in the summer.
Not extending his contract is essentially doing the same thing with each passing week anyway.
Not extending his contract is essentially doing the same thing with each passing week anyway.
Hahaha, never saw this before. Who was manager at the time, Jose?
Well we only have around 10 senior players left that started that season. They didn't get Ralf sacked, he was only an Interim anyway.
Yeah but he started to leave before it was even asked, and continued to do so during it. All the headlines that came out made it sound like he’d lost the plot and stormed out.
That was me. It was after seeing Casemiro blundering through games I wondered how he would have tried to make Busquets into a box to box midfielder with Xavi and Iniesta looking at each other in total bemusement.
It's baffling isn't it, people always run straight to the tired old narrative that the players are the problem. Yes some of them are, some are not good enough. But it's not the players fault we're so shit and look so clueless tactically. We're 7th because of the better players having us punch well above what our performances and amatuerish gameplan deserve.
Yeah and due to injuries they all play most of the time!
We’ve been using Ole’s back 4 of Wan Bissaka, Lindelof, Maguire, Dalot/Shaw, plus Scott, Rashford and Bruno. The spine is essentially the same spine that Ole/Ragnick had.
I am happy this season is coming to an end.
I don't think it's a hot take at this point to say this is worse than anything we've seen under even Rangnick or Ole. I think it's just that many fans are so used to failure in the past few years, they've become kind of numb to by now.
I feel like most fans, me included, go into any game, regardless of opposition and expect us to be completely outplayed. I've never had that feeling before as a United fan, even in the worst periods under the two managers I just mentioned. The most worrying part is the players haven't really downed tools and this is what two years of coaching has built up to. Rangnick never had the team on his side and Ole obviously lost the dressing room for some time before his sacking.
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