Yes there are different ways to play football, but I believe a club like Man utd with its resources should always aspire to play a front footed, discipline and coherent style, don't you?
Erik ten Hag | 2022/23 & 2023/24
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That looks good. I hope you're right because we need better technical players in there if we wanna outplay teams. Shaw would start for me though.
I’m not saying it. Those reports are.
I don’t think there’s anything at all that would make you happy. Clearly a glass half empty person who would prefer to bang on about previous mistakes than focus on the clear and obvious positive changes taking place at the club.
Each to their own!
Yes Brighton will certainly cause us trouble. ETH approach is to get the midfield and attack to "strangle" the opposition before they can advance to the defensive half, so McTominay and Bruno will be able to perform better with Rashford and Sancho's help. Fred is not the ideal player to play as a DM, but his workrate will help for the timebeing.
I never rely on informed people for facts - they wouldn’t be informed if there wasn’t an agenda, right. I prefer to get my facts from people who clearly have no clue. (Which is why I’m here).
Well you said I should feel postive about them
What obvious positives? We are in a position we’re are best option is chasing a midfielder who doesn’t look like he want to be here and currently the structure at the club is in no position to identify other targets. Reports say the DOF was hired to be a puppet and now reports say the manager is having to tell him how the structure should work. I don’t find that very positive I don’t really understand why I would?
There are definitely positives in other aspects of the club, like we have finally got a coach who can train and develop players and trains attacking football. Arnold seems to have his head screwed on going by his interviews. Those are massive positives that I’m delighted with. But in terms of the way our club conducts its recruitment I don’t see any positives currently.
I don't understand what you mean.
They are definitely a hard working trio. No doubt about that. I could see us creating chances from a high press but do see us prone to the same thing in our half with Bruno McFred
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When did Woodward ever masquerade as a competent person?
Ole had some of the right ideas; he called the players out for their poor fitness at the end of his first season. Sadly, he lacked the gravitas to be able to fix it.
I actually rate our chances against Brighton, their style will leave more space for our forwards, we'll need to break their press consistently though and keep up our own pressing for the majority of the game because they'll keep attempting to play throughout the game. If we can do that then our attack will do the damage against them.
Martinez is coming in to play. I've no doubts whatsoever that as long as he is registered before the Brighton game, he will play. Same for De Jong. Eriksen I appreciate may be slightly different but he's likely to have a full week, if not longer, of training prior to the game so I wouldn't be surprised with him starting though I do think it's less likely than the others.
I said reassured. The issues will take time to iron out but they are being identified and changes made. Perhaps you’re impatient but to me it doesn’t matter if it takes time as long as the right changes are being made.
Would sooner look forward to positive change than look back and moan about things we all know were bad.
who was the player dropped for being late?
Garnacho?
Pellistri never played a game after when it was meant to have happened.
So annoying, I used to go OT and could see past the sentiment, knowing that it was obvious Ole was shit. Drop the holier than thou fan act. Applauding Ole at full time 0-5 down to Liverpool doesn't make you a better fan, don't speak for 70000 people and don't knock other opinions.
I dont speak for 70,000 people but i know i heard the stadium singing ThankYouOle after he left. Obviously not all of them have supported Ole but they do recognize his contributions, unlike most here who think he did nothing.
I agree.
To have a fully functional structure on the footballing side of the club, you need input from the head coach. And we have seen that at Liverpool, where I've mentioned (numerous times) how Klopp has restructured the setup at Liverpool with the aid of Michael Edwards, who was much maligned and ridiculed at the time. And the difference was, that Liverpool hired Klopp as the manager but he saw himself as the head coach and went about aligning and streamlining the whole process on the football side of the club and made the decision to promote Edwards as the DoF who was unpopular with the Liverpool fans at the time. And most of the signings Klopp made in his first foray into the transfer window in the summer of 2016, were either players from Germany or had been schooled at one of the Red Bull clubs, and were in-tune with his heavy metal approach to the game.
And the difference between our clubs in England and our European counterparts, is that they've had a DoF/head coach model for many many years. And we're still at the early stages and it's absolutely imperative for the head coach and DoF to come together to align/streamline and tweak the whole setup towards a shared a goal. So what I see posted on here often, is that many can't make the distinction between the head of recruitment and the DoF, and think it's the same role when there's a big difference.
I think it's important to understand what a modern day structure is on the football side of the club before passing judgement. So the positions below the DoF, who head the recruitment department should be understood and not confused with the remit of the DoF.
But the question is, has he done this at the expense of getting the actual best available players for those positions? Unless by some quirk of fate the best players also happen to be ones he’s worked with, then it seems he’s sacrificing quality for familiarity.
It might well work, but it’s a risk, just like buying super talented players you’ve never managed is a risk
Ole did great as an interim manager, but managing a club as big as MU was way above his abilities.
We have a competent manager now, one of the best. He is helping to establish a ‚one vision, one club‘ structure, which will be needed to have a good scouting department and a more streamlined youth academy, with smoother transitions for youth players into the team.
I think LvG tried that, but Mourinho threw everything out the window. In hindsight, he should never have succeeded LvG.
If we can succesfully implement a new structure like at Ajax, hiring managers or staff, that don‘t fit the direction the club wants to go in, will not happen.
We have a competent manager now, one of the best. He is helping to establish a ‚one vision, one club‘ structure, which will be needed to have a good scouting department and a more streamlined youth academy, with smoother transitions for youth players into the team.
I think LvG tried that, but Mourinho threw everything out the window. In hindsight, he should never have succeeded LvG.
If we can succesfully implement a new structure like at Ajax, hiring managers or staff, that don‘t fit the direction the club wants to go in, will not happen.
Agreed, though I would say he did well in his first full season. At the end of the day I'll never understand why people would hate someone for not being good enough.
And it's only fair that we give ETH the same level of trust and backing.
I wonder what his Spurs interview was like that they found him uncharismatic while United found him really impressive. Perhaps our Erik forgot his folder.
I mean, yeah he must be seething that Frankie De Jong is still holding on for dear life at Barcelona
The problem with this argument is that cannot really define "best" in a simplistic way. You could argue that the best players he can pick right now are ones that will give him a fast start because they know him, since that could define his time at the club. Or maybe, given that the dressing room is a known problem, it might be that the best player is judged on attitude rather than aptitude. Or maybe he’s worried that our team will struggle to implement his ideas, so tactical intelligence is what’s best, and so on.
Probably sabotaged his own interview to avoid working for that lot.
Of course individual magic will often be necessary to unlock a compact defence, but it isn't the only tool, nor should you rely on it exclusively. I remember watching a coaching session which emphasized structured possession in the final third, switching the ball side to side, dropping into half-spaces, etc. And the coach said that the aim of doing all that was to wear down the opposition, and eventually provoke at least one defender to move out of position, and hopefully he'll have trained his own players to be able to see that 'solution' the second it becomes available. That's the point of those exercises: have players with the technical ability to keep the ball in tight areas, the discipline to keep doing that despite frustration, and the tactical awareness to see when a gap opens up, and go through it.
If you find yourself relying on magical moments all the time, then results will vary.
In fact, we don’t really know if Ole is not good enough. We just know he could not win us trophies as quickly as possible. And, he failed in handling the situation last season for whatever reason. That’s why I always think he might have a ceiling but I am not sure.
Really excited he's here. Clearly a very talented manager with the right attitude and ideas. A real step in the right direction in terms of appointment, and the most forward thinking decision the club has made in years.
That said, and without wanting to dredge up debates that are taking place in countless threads already, is he being backed enough? Are we committing enough financially to ensure he is a success? I know, there is the FDJ money set aside if he chooses to come here, but is that enough? Couldn't Antony have been budgeted for too? Should we really be in a position to need to sell players in order to fill the RB slot given how atrocious we were in that position last year? And do we not have a bit of financial clout to take charge of the Ronaldo situation by bringing in another striker whether or not he leaves?
Right now, ETH is receiving less backing than any manager at the club in his first season since Moyes. That was bad then, but at least he had a title winning team at his disposal.
How much can we really expect from ETH, and are we doing enough to provide him with the necessary base?
That said, and without wanting to dredge up debates that are taking place in countless threads already, is he being backed enough? Are we committing enough financially to ensure he is a success? I know, there is the FDJ money set aside if he chooses to come here, but is that enough? Couldn't Antony have been budgeted for too? Should we really be in a position to need to sell players in order to fill the RB slot given how atrocious we were in that position last year? And do we not have a bit of financial clout to take charge of the Ronaldo situation by bringing in another striker whether or not he leaves?
Right now, ETH is receiving less backing than any manager at the club in his first season since Moyes. That was bad then, but at least he had a title winning team at his disposal.
How much can we really expect from ETH, and are we doing enough to provide him with the necessary base?
It's nice to have players that can provide those magical moments though...
As a player he is a legend, as a manager he was a disaster. I get some people are happy with being distant runners up and feel good sentiment but for those wanting good football and to compete, it was torture.
Moyes only discovered that when things started going wrong for him midway through the season.
ten Hag must be given patience from supporters and funds from the owners to build us into a great team.
He's the only guy post-Fergie that I feel confident that could get us where we belong.
He's the only guy post-Fergie that I feel confident that could get us where we belong.
Yeah, we know. Honestly we knew from the beginning. The knowledge couldn't have been more common.
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