Good. Hope so. He’s well connected media wise though no?
Erik ten Hag | 2022/23 & 2023/24
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Heard he showed up to the interview in a bright red blazer and skin tight trousers. All downhill from there
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Exactly. It’s why it’s a crazy take.
From a tactical and coaching stand point we are a total disgrace. Aspects that he has 100% control over as manager and will still have 100% control over as head coach.
The guy has failed spectacularly and he needs to be moved on. Keeping him shows a complete lack of ambition by Sir Jim.
We’ll basically be writing next season off before it’s even began if we keep him.
Exactly. It’s why it’s a crazy take.
From a tactical and coaching stand point we are a total disgrace. Aspects that he has 100% control over as manager and will still have 100% control over as head coach.
The guy has failed spectacularly and he needs to be moved on. Keeping him shows a complete lack of ambition by Sir Jim.
We’ll basically be writing next season off before it’s even began if we keep him.
What is wrong with a manager like Nagelsman or De Zerbi? Atleast the football would be fun to watch. If ETH is sacked, i wouldnt be against hiring one out of those two. I dont like the idea of Southgate as the new manager though.
Apparently in Whitwell's article later, he'll mention some other clubs are interested in taking ten Hag? Who we thinking?
Even if his level of control at the club involves deciding how much toilet paper everyone uses there is no excuse for the Brentford game. Theres no excuse for the amount of goals from cut backs we concede. Theres no excuse for the utter lack of control we have in games or the amount of shots we have to deal with. These are the absolute basics and yet game after game we ride our luck constantly. EtH cant be so focused on other things at the club currently that sorting out these major onfield issues isnt his main priority.
I'd take Nagelsman, De Zerbi or Tuchel ahead of ETH. I rather Ole back rather than have southgate
Ten Hag has been supported like crazy at United, to be honest. With the club even doing unprofessional stuff like reneging on a consultancy agreement with Ragnick because Ten Hag reportedly seemingly didn’t fancy it.
Guy made big calls regarding some big players and was backed to do as he saw fit etc - retaining both support of the club and players. Players which are evidently still fighting and often conjure up rescue missions despite the kamikaze set-up.
Evidence of Ten Hag’s caliber as a “good coach” is scarce. At least at United.
Exactly as I expected / am expecting. There's one thing he's particularly good and very consistent with which is pretending everything is going according to plan and things are fine. He will have worked his magic with our new owners and management behind the scenes and the guy can talk the talk.
He'll be given another season with significant financial support and an assurance that he's getting a free pass at reshaping of the squad / the way we play and that we will not look at results too deeply. He will be assessed in 2-3 years, this season is a write off, next season will be a free pass and we may start looking at his performance more closely in 2025-26.
I'll be very surprised if we don't start next season with him.
Rashford, Martial, Bruno, Maguire, Lindelof, Wan Bissaka, Shaw among the most have been at the club for more than 5 years. Why do they not deserve to be binned? This includes 3 or 4 guaranteed starters. I would start with disposing them off along with other overpaid players like Varane, Sancho and Casemiro who are nowhere close to giving us what we wanted.
That's beside the point, I haven't made any excuses for him and especially for the way we are setup. What I said in that post is that taking away power from him and making him walk a fine line has been the way to get the best out of him in his previous clubs. I'm pointing the finger at a flaw that he possesses and also at the fact that his previously employers managed it in a totally different way than United/Murtough.
Yeah and that immediately gets them off on the wrong foot so well done INEOS nice work
If he's here next season, then wow, just wow.
Not really, he throws so much shite that some is bound to stick.
My point was if Southgate was the answer we may as well not have a manager at all. Would like us to appoint any of
Nagelsmann
Inzaghi
Amorim
De Zerbi
Enrique
Tuchel
Flick
It will until he leads us to a comfortable 4th/5th place next season which will be considered a massive achievement and a huge improvement simply because the bar set this season is so low that an improvement is not going to be that hard to achieve with investment.
I think there’d be a lot of interest. Ajax for one, Dortmund are apparently keen. Basically a lot of clubs in the tier below that look at United as the impossible job anyway.
Should have been sacked today but typically INEOS haven't got people in place so buying BS
If the reason to keep ETH is that we're worried that our only options are Potter and Southgate then we are doomed under this new structure anyway if those are the only targets that they could manage to identify.
Hey my good friend, I think yesterday was a miraculous performance and possibly the best I have witnessed since Ferguson's best days. We need to learn to appreciate every good game and every stunning moment and yesterday was full of them. Show true support to possibly the greatest manager we've ever had and never question him. Trust the process, trust the wisdom of Erik Ten Hag.
If that's true then Ineos haven't a clue and we're utterly finished as a club.
They won't depend on manager no for the squad turnover. But the manager is part of that turnover, whether he stays or goes. That's a huge decision, especially getting the right next guy in. If Wilcox and Ashworth aren't leading the search, aren't leading the rebuilding, then what the feck did we hire them for and what are we waiting a year for? It's illogical. Fans should be patient because they came in and are setting up a structure. You can't snap your fingers and have everyone start, you can't expect them to break a bunch of contractual laws, if the guy doesn't start til next year then it is what it is. We'll do some work, but not major things as the guy who is responsible for that stuff hasn't started yet. Unfortunately, our main rebuild is on hold and can't fully get started.
Absolutely no chance he gets a third full season if things continue to be this bad. It's laughable enough that he'll get to finish this one.
Go Ahead Eagles, Ajax, Werder Bremen
I would take an INEOS patsy, or a Vanilla type manager right now. Honestly, this is the worst football I have seen from a United team. The sort of stuff you wouldn't see in under 12's football.
Not being able to see a game out for 4 minutes of injury time. We have seen this all season. Brentford, Galatasaray, Copenhagen, Bayern Munich, Fulham.... Nothing changes. No game management. This is on the manager.
Conceding the same cut back goal all season. First witnessed against Brighton in August. Occurred again last night for Gallagher's goal. Not addressed in 8 months. This is on the manager.
Jaime Carragher went in on Ten Hag after the Fulham game, Ten Hag was quizzed about it in a press conference.
Carragher said we have 6 forwards pressing high, and the center half's dropping deep, with 30 yards of space in the middle of the pitch. All the opposition have to do is play into that space and they have a run on United's goal. A 3 versus 2 situation. It is not sustainable.
Chelsea did exactly the same thing last night, Brentford on Saturday. Huge gaps in the middle of the park, Maguire and Evans dropping deep, all the forwards high up the pitch. Chelsea had 28 shots. Brentford had 31. This is on the manager.
Right now, I would take anyone who can set up the team not to concede 30 shots per game. To be able to manage a game and not concede straight after scoring. To be able to learn from mistakes and cut them out. To have a solid and cohesive unit, where everyone knows their roles and where they should be playing, for instance someone sitting in the D to stop cut back goals. Or marking the oppositions most dangerous player for a corner. I am asking for the very basics here. The sort of stuff that De Zerbi or Unai Emery would fix in one training session. Why can't we do that. What makes us unique? When does Ten Hag concede that his tactics aren't working? Or entertain a plan B? Play to the players strengths. How can you sit there week in and week out and watch your team getting overrun all over the pitch, and then go out the next game with exactly the same set up? When was the last time we actually controlled a game?
Laughable he survived last night quite frankly
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Nah, he needs to be fecked off and maybe the players will try a bit harder for the remaining games.
I can't accept a British vanilla INEOS patsy like relegation gate or Potted when there are better managers out there on the continent
If INEOS keeps him then we can be sure the revolution will begin from the players. We might see a clearance sale soon.
We could lose every game from now until season end and he won’t be sacked
It sure does — of course he’ll fall in line to save his own skin and keep the cushtiest job he’ll ever have.
And why wouldn’t he? He’s lost more games than anyone has in a season at this club since 1980, conceded the most shots in top flight european football, and yet somehow has a massive majority of fans still on his side. It’s remarkable. At this point I bet he’s wondering how hard he can tank before he actually loses full faith!
That's why limiting ETH's influence and also imposing a guideline makes sense on the short term. Unless Ashworth and Wilcox know exactly in which direction they need to go in terms of the head coach and the players turnover, it's not necessarily a good idea to rush into making immediate changes for the sake of it.
And I get that people are frustrated, they want to see things improve and the trust in ETH is gone but the correct moves aren't necessarily the more palatable.
Neither Southgate or ETH would make it through next season without being sacked, would be a complete waste of time and money and INEOS would make themselves look completely incompetent.
It feels like it should be inconceivable either would be our manager next season, they wouldn’t even be retained or appointed by someone like Spurs or Villa but we are such a disaster it is entirely possible.
It feels like it should be inconceivable either would be our manager next season, they wouldn’t even be retained or appointed by someone like Spurs or Villa but we are such a disaster it is entirely possible.
It will be a ridiculously interesting summer of exits and arrivals if we do the unthinkable and stick with Ten Hag.
I disagreed with this narrative that he wanted no direction from higher ups. He had a structure of support at Ajax and no big club works in the manner that he did last season. It's unreasonable to assume otherwise.
I doubt there are even 5 managers who would get more points with this squad.
Give the new board time to find a replacement. Someone like Potter would only delay our chances of success
I have heard enough head coaches suggest that they dream of the manager structure to believe that he could easily be one of them. Now when they actually get it, they may also realize that it's not a good fit for them but I wouldn't state that because they didn't work like that before, they don't have the ambition to do it.
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