He doesn't have the personality to inspire such things in these players. Which is part of the problem.
Erik ten Hag | 2022/23 & 2023/24
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He’ll be gone after this season unless he wins the FA Cup
It’s been a very poor season. Lost too many games, no identity or way of playing.
It’s been a very poor season. Lost too many games, no identity or way of playing.
Yeah, but when you have no style of play it becomes a lazy explanation for the manager as to why we are or are not winning.
Antony 85 million
Casimero 60 million
Martinez 56 million
Mount 60 million
Onana 45 million
Hojlund 70 million
Dumpster diving indeed
The only thing worse then ETH are the ETH fanboys. Can’t wait for him to be sacked so they can all piss off & follow him to his next club back in the Eredivisie.
De Zerbi dealt with a less than average summer, losing the spine of the team. And still sit around European spots while playing great football. He’s done well with the squad available. Puts the argument to shame about not being able to keep the ball without your first choice.De Zerbi has drawn with Everton , lost to Wolves, hammered 3-0 by Fulham and beaten 5-0 by Roma on aggregate in the last 5 games….but PL proven
I personally wouldn’t go near him it’s Nagelsmann or Amorim for me .
Antony 85 million
Casimero 60 million
Martinez 56 million
Mount 60 million
Onana 45 million
Hojlund 70 million
Dumpster diving indeed
The only thing worse then ETH are the ETH fanboys. Can’t wait for him to be sacked so they can all piss off & follow him to his next club back in the Eredivisie.
400m and the shit we serve up every week simply doesn't warrant another 200m wasted this summer and the same shit next year.
I think the new structure has to make everyone accountable, including players and footballing operations or it doesnt work
Last night was the first time I really started to waver on him.
Simply unacceptable to be coached so poorly against a team who really aren’t that good.
Simply unacceptable to be coached so poorly against a team who really aren’t that good.
To be fair he didn't say all signings were dumpster dives. Now list the other signings, which include a lot of terrible loans or transfers like Evans who only was there to keep his fitness and didn't dream of getting a contract.Antony 85 million
Casimero 60 million
Martinez 56 million
Mount 60 million
Onana 45 million
Hojlund 70 million
Dumpster diving indeed
Fully agree.
For me unless you’re talking about Pep or Klopp in todays game there are a number of managers the rung below that are ‘replacement’ level for each other. A lot of the success of these managers comes with the players at their disposal & their willingness to integrate the concepts modern football rewards.
You could argue EtH doesn’t have the players to which I’d somewhat agree although neither Ange nor Emry are operating with a squad of their own making entirely.
My biggest concern with EtH now is that he seems to be shunning the basics decent managers have accepted. This willingness to concede 20 shots a game isn’t the new Inverted Fullback it’s stupid at every level.
There are a certain element of our fans who are more concerned with the name above the managers door than the one illuminating Old Trafford. The club owe EtH nothing. He’ll be compensated & will go on to manage another team, he’s not going to be sat at home crying over United should he leave. The guy interviewed for Spurs a season before us ffs!
Martinez and Mount have effectively been injured all season. Hojlund was a project signing that the club and he synced on, knowing the benefits are reaped longer term than for immediate impact.Antony 85 million
Casimero 60 million
Martinez 56 million
Mount 60 million
Onana 45 million
Hojlund 70 million
Dumpster diving indeed
The only thing worse then ETH are the ETH fanboys. Can’t wait for him to be sacked so they can all piss off & follow him to his next club back in the Eredivisie.
Also money spent isn't an indictment on our coach. We wasted money chronically well before ten hag came in.
Park the name calling mate, come back when you have an actual point.
The only thing worse than anything, are the people who refuse to accept different opinions and points of view.
Can't wait for us to win the FA cup and the likes you piss off out of redcafe for a few weeks. Until our next bad game anyway.
Just to be clear, I'm in full agreement this season is bad. I also agree that he's played his hand wrongly, even when considering the injuries. We don't look improved, and this football is worse than Ole right now.
All that being said, I'm just saying from one good season and one bad season, I'd only remove him if 1) we capitulate in 2024 form Or 2) an established coach with more pedigree is available. Otherwise I'd stick one more season, and if that sours we have a much better likelihood of picking up a coach with more established pedigree (I am looking at Luis Enrique or Ancelotti as examples). My worry is the De Zerbi and Nagelsmann of this world will still come with very open plays that could be difficult to transcend at a club like ours.
I think for his own health he needs to leave, the bags under his eyes he looks like a broken man
We’re a circus too I’d say. I don’t see what metric Poch would excel here when he’s not ripping up trees at Chelsea and was pretty poor in Paris. We need a better appointment in my eyes. Poch should not be on our radar.
It is the bare minimum you expect from footballers at any level - and yet he's talking about it in pre-match interviews like it is going to be the deciding factor in games.
Stop starting those players not giving a shit or being shit. Bench Bruno, Rashy, McT, et al. Play Amad, Mount, whoever is motivated ffs. Zero competition in this team and he is to blame
And what about if we get embarrassed by either City in the final or Coventry before that? Will you finally admit your man isn't all that?
Next season we'd have a much better structure than Boehly. Working under Berrada and Ashworth is probably much more likely to build a coach for success than working under Boehly.
Why would he? During Ten Hag's tenure we've already been embarrassed in the CL, thrashed by our rivals, and beaten by relegation fodder. Anyone who is still going out of their way to make excuses for Ten Hag are clearly never going to stop. They'll die on that hill
It would be neglect of duty if INEOS are not actively sounding out his replacement , what we saw last night should never be acceptable from a Man Utd team and management.
Winning the FA cup won't save him if we don't qualify for the champions League especially if there are five places on offer.
It would be beyond pathetic that we would fail to finish in the top five and there's no way he should be allowed to keep his job after such a failure
It'll be worrying if the FA cup saves him. Even Woodward showed more ambition by sacking LVG after he won it
Well, first he went in on how not only is our place in the table not good enough, but our football is way off too. Used the example of how Luton has more goals than us. Then ETH did his presser and they came back to Robbie and he went in on how ETH has no answers, on the pitch or to the press & how if he were INEOS, he’d be doing a full clear out of the coaching staff heading into next season.
ETH always see positive from his side, no matter how crap his team. He will sat great to see Mount scoring his first goal for United and there will be more to come. If you say we have no style of play then it is wrong. We have a style where we are constantly overrun in midfield, there are gap in midfield whenever McTominay plays. McTominay only offer height in defending from set pieces and occasionally scoring but nothing else. He can't defend, put it a tackle, make a pass and yet he is firmly in ETH's XI. McTominay has been in United for a long time, no manager has made McTominay first choice except ETH. ETH is willing to sacrifice overall play in search for goals. ETH out ASAP, I don't need such manager at United.
I almost convinced myself that the Liverpool match was going to be (I know…another!) a turning point. I change my vote to EtH out a couple of months ago, albeit I was a bit of a fence sitter truth be told but yeah, now I’m firmly EtH out. Guys clueless and out of his depth here. His post match interviews are also becoming more and more grating as it’s either “we performed well (when we clearly didn’t) or what he said about Brentford and city yesterday. Delusional.
Guaranteed the next manager plays those same 3 players constantly too though.
Yeah, I wanted to back him after Liverpool game and thought maybe we will find some spark.
It's amazing how we are worse than Luton or other promoted teams.
Totally. I said as much in the Post match thread. The absolute cheek to celebrate after watching us serve up sh*t for 90 minutes. A Manchester United manager should be ashamed of us performing like we did yesterday, regardless of result. It wasn't just a standard poor performance that could happen to any team on an off day, it was unforgivably wretched. Anyone unfamiliar with the sport would think there was a massive gulf between the two teams, like a National League club drawing a Prem club in the FA Cup. And in that scenario, I would still expect the National League club to come away feeling disappointed that they failed to show up.
I've been fairly generous to Ten Hag, but my patience has been wearing for a while now. I think yesterday was the moment of no return.
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Has been desperately unlucky this season with injury, incompetence in our football structure and has made do with that.
There’s more but I’m out with the family and having a shit.
See above there is more and I’ll add to this tonight.
He chose Antony in the absence of other available options. He was asking for a striker, didnt get one. So went for something else. He didn’t decide the fee our negotiation incompetence did.
Mount will be a quality signing.
Onana is an excellent GK for playing out.
Malacia back up left back but a fighter
Casemiro great in both boxes aerially and a fighter but old.
It took Arsenal time. So it also will take us time to get the squad right.
We will get there and I believe with Ten Hag.
The Brentford game 100% but a combination of things especially injury have made this season tactically a nightmare for any coach to fix.
Do you think we have had the players available this season to be comfortable top 4?
If so please name them.
I understand the worry I just think we’re being a bit too expectant over what we can actually achieve right now with this squad.
I agree that many of the other options that are mentioned do have an open play style that will cause issues at times.
What I would say though is that their openness is caused by a gung-ho attacking style with a lot of movement and overloads, which leaves them open when they lose it. Whereas under ETH we have an open style of play that teams can easily run through, while not actually gaining any attacking advantages from being that open.
People like Ange or De Zerbi for instance, I expect we would have some games where we get run through and concede quite a lot of goals. But we'd at least be playing more attractive football and creating more goal scoring opportunities at the other end, and after a year or two of that we'd closer to where we want to be than how we are with whatever it is that ETH is trying to implement this season. Whether it'd then be Ange / De Zerbi who would push us to the next level is another question, or whether we'd then have to move them on for somebody else.
Hopefully the new management is talking to managers. Someone like Nagelsmann would be awesome.
I wonder if the new management team tell him a style of football to play. If so, will he leave? He seems very stubborn and I can’t see him being told to play a certain way.
Either way, his current style of drop all won’t be accepted by any competent team in charge.
Either way, his current style of drop all won’t be accepted by any competent team in charge.
That's exactly how you know that he isn't the man for this job or for any team that wants to consistently challenge for trophies. A small time coach with a small time mentality, celebrating every win where we scrape by and he survives for yet another week
ETH needs to inject some pace and get a more comsistent tempo into the team. It's all too slow, attempting to be too intricate but when speed is needed the play gets sloppy, poor touches, underhit passes, passes to the wrong side, playing the wrong pass.. all this shite.
Yesterday, playing Mainoo on his own behind McT and Bruno was a pile of bollocks, learned nothing from the Newcastle game. Everythhing that is shite about this team and these players was on display yesterday.
Brentford were direct and physical, they make good runs and play balls into the right areas, so you're two options are to stop it at source or drop off and deal with the ball in air, did neither well enough iny opinion and ended up conceding chance after chance from long balls in the build up. That's got to be sorted out by the players on the pitch, they need to take ownership and start recognising and organising this shit to deal with it as a team.
Yesterday, playing Mainoo on his own behind McT and Bruno was a pile of bollocks, learned nothing from the Newcastle game. Everythhing that is shite about this team and these players was on display yesterday.
Brentford were direct and physical, they make good runs and play balls into the right areas, so you're two options are to stop it at source or drop off and deal with the ball in air, did neither well enough iny opinion and ended up conceding chance after chance from long balls in the build up. That's got to be sorted out by the players on the pitch, they need to take ownership and start recognising and organising this shit to deal with it as a team.
He wouldn't be able to implement it anyway.
I've said it before and I'll say it again. Ten Hag has the mentality of David Moyes. It's like he's just happy to be here and get plucky United making it difficult for their opponents.
I've been convinced for a long time that the job is too big for him. Shame we always have to go through this same old predictable slow drawn out death before anything changes
What other top club would tolerate 6th in the league with 11 losses?
Real Madrid, Barcelona, Bayern, City, PSG the manager would be long gone.
Real Madrid, Barcelona, Bayern, City, PSG the manager would be long gone.
Thanks.
The faith some have is fascinating. 2 successive seasons with abject GD
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