Erik ten Hag | 2022/23 & 2023/24

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FireballXL5 said:
Would Real, Barcelona or Bayern put up with this garbage week in week out?
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Tuchel was heavily criticised for the CL group stage this season by fans and media in Germany, similarly to EtH, maybe even more. As United and Bayern played in the same group I think that's an excellent reference for comparison of both clubs.

So what was Bayern unhappy with? 5 W - 1 D - 0 L, 12:6 goals. Why were they unhappy? Because their series of wins in the CL group stages ended, because they conceded twice as many goals as last year and scored almost only half as much. This was seen as Bayern in crisis and as we know meanwhile lead to Tuchel having to leave at the end of the season.

United reacted more positively to 1 W - 1 D - 4 L, 12:15 goals, basically Onana's mistakes were blamed and a lot seemed to call it a day with criticising him.
 
If for some reason we cant get another manager or everyone wants him to stay then dont spend any money. I cant see how wasting another 200 mill will help anyone. If he says then lets see if he can actually form a team and a structure like De Zerbi, Emery, Postecoglou have done. 400 mill to get where we are is criminal. We cant get to 600 mill. I dont care we have no second striker. Get a free player or spend from sales. Net spend = 0 this season if ETH stays. Lets see this great manager before another pound is spent
 
JPRouve said:
So the facts are that he was failing at United and he failed after United.
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Yes. And he had spectacularly failed before United too.
The decision to hire Mourinho right after that Chelsea meltdown, and completely against the grain of whatever good effects could have come from having been coached by LvG, was probably the single worst decision Woodward made.
 
BenitoSTARR said:
I don’t think we need a new manager.

I think we need to shift out several players and bring more physically able players.

:lol:

I don’t think INEOS will sack him and I think I’ll be proven right next season.
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I am worried about that, give him a chance with a new structure, which atm is one person who starts in June, another we are fighting over a fee with Newcastle so will not be in place for ages, then where's the rest.
 
IncyWincySpider said:
I don’t really want Southgate here but I would take him right now over Hag. There is no recovery from this position it’s just a matter of when he’s sacked.
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Southgate would play a sensible midfield set up that wouldn't immediately cause massive structural issues that undermines every other area of the team. Who knows how he would do with the day to day management, coaching, transfers but how can anyone explain away Ten Hags approach to setting up a functioning midfield, his disregard for any level of control?

It is not an individual player issue, it is a Ten Hag issue.
 
VP89 said:
Not denying he had toxic traits. I'm saying he was better than Ole.
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Which isn't a case to keep him. Ole should not have been extended beyond the caretaking period but because Mourinho's performances were so abject, the contrast between our first and second half of the season made Ole look like prime Guardiola.

The club should have moved to a new structure when Ole was the caretaker and they should have brought a manager with a better CV, that's the mistake.
 
VP89 said:
Your agenda is so blatant, Jose was a disaster but Ole just "failed".
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:lol:

Wtf are you on, Ole was a disaster. Are you happy now?

Regarding the rest, save all that. You have no standards, only standard you have is whether you like or don't like manager when they are hired. Your entire rating will be based on that.
 
FortunaUtd said:
No, it isn't. But it was a risk well worth taking. The decision to hire Ten Hag was a good one.
Just as sacking Ten Hag to hire a new promising manager will be a risk worth taking and a good decision.
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Which is the exact point.

Every appointment comes with risks so to use risk as an excuse to continue down this failing path is frankly stupid.

EtH posed the best manager at that time, unfortunately it hasn’t worked. You now move on.

I can’t see Ineos spending a billion & backing this.
 
roonster09 said:
:lol:

Wtf are you on, Ole was a disaster. Are you happy now?

Regarding the rest, save all that. You have no standards, only standard you have is whether you like or don't like manager when they are hired. Your entire rating will be based on that.
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*points to tangible achievements*

"save all that, you have no standards!".

OK mate. Let's move on now.
 
I pray we sack this clown. Please, i am not asking for more this summer in relation to United. Worst manager post Fergie
 
AFC NimbleThumb said:
Which is the exact point.

Every appointment comes with risks so to use risk as an excuse to continue down this failing path is frankly stupid.

EtH posed the best manager at that time, unfortunately it hasn’t worked. You now move on.

I can’t see Ineos spending a billion & backing this.
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Yep. If you consider the simple act of hiring managers too big of a risk to take, you can close down the football club.
All things considered, Ten Hag was not a very risky appointment, the balance between risk and potential was tipped well towards the latter. Hence, a good decision.
And it is not like he relegated us, he did quite well last season, but has since shown he is not able anymore to set up the team competitively.
Ultimately, the biggest risk now is clinging on to a situation that spells declining into upper midtable.
 
The eyebags are becoming more obvious, clear sign of the end for him. I wanted him to succeed but the facts show that he is just not good enough
 
VP89 said:
Thats your opinion, you're entitled to it.
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Well under Ole, we knew what we where- a counter attacking team! and had positive goal difference. This manager is clueless and we look poor against any team
 
VP89 said:
*points to tangible achievements*

"save all that, you have no standards!".

OK mate. Let's move on now.
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Your point wasn't who did better, your point was it would have been better to stick with Jose when he was on downward trajectory, lost dressing room and became a toxic shit for the entire club.
 
With the Liverpool match I think the players made it work, they gave as good as they got, we had 28 shots and really fought well, made the best chances. I did express hope that being on national television, they would would show courage on the ball and attack, a big one off game and thankfully they shown what they can do.

At Brentford this was as timid as they come, not up to playing, probably don't have it physically either. Said before we look like a once a month team and even our best is quite a low level. We've been very poor for most of the season. There's lot of issues going on, sulking players, disillusionment on the manager/tactics, very odd player recruitment and problems with existing players, training and so on. Seems like the team saw through the manager as limited after the league cup and we've just added to the issues at great expense once again.
 
Toshey said:
Because the way we play could actually work great. It's individual player mistakes and lack of effort that fecks us over. Time and time again players losing 1vs1, not weighting the correct pass. It's obvious lack of player quality for me.

And I don't care that the results are shaky. Ten Hag sticks to the way he wants to play and doesn't want to revert us to deep defending counter attacking team, which would suit most of our players.

We need to move on from Bruno and Rashford. Players who constantly produce 7/10 performances would be much better than players who produce 9/10 performance once in five games, beign 2/10 the other four.

McTominay shouldn't be anywhere near the starting lineup.


It was a bad performance, but the substitutions worked well. Next game we'll look much better and sharper.

After Liverpool a bunch of posters said nothing in this thread, and now they are basically living here.

Nothing more to say.
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I praised him after Liverpool for changing our shape and tactics at the end of the game, he got lucky we were still in the game at that point but he made a change and it changed the game.

Last night it was obvious we needed to change shape and tactics, we were getting compleatly dominated by Brentford.

The subs last night made no difference because they were all like for like and the shape and tactics remained exactly the same. It's was unbelievably bad in game management. ETH got very lucky last night that we didn't get heavily beaten.

You can make an argument for lack of quality in players, but that argument falls down when with the greatest of respect the likes of Brentford absolutely dominate us and have record number of touches in our penalty area and record number of shots. That isn't player quality it's a complete systematic failure. And it's not as if the Brentford game was a one off.

The Liverpool game/performance is the outlier. Whereas the Brentford game/performance has been our bread and butter all season.
 
I was actually pissed off seeing him celebrate Mount's goal. Like it was all part of the master plan. Did anyone else feel like that or am I just a weirdo?
 
It seems we get outplayed by every other Prem team, so maybe we should take ANY other Prem manager instead of ETH.
 
I just don't get the guy. Try something new for feck sake. Change up the system, stop playing the same underperforming players that have been terrible all season like Bruno and Rashford.
He's fighting for his job yet there's no fight. No coach can be happy giving up so many chances to the opposition yet he's doing nothing to address it. A truly bizarre man.
 
roonster09 said:
Your point wasn't who did better, your point was it would have been better to stick with Jose when he was on downward trajectory, lost dressing room and became a toxic shit for the entire club.
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My statement also prefaced that had Jose been able to amend the squad he'd have been more successful than Ole. We know what happened, that he wasn't given that freedom, he made it clear which players weren't cutting it (and was proven right really), and the toxicity became too much.

However the actual statement that had Jose been able to continue his own build of the squad (after finishing 81 points), he'd have had more successful than Ole - that's not exactly contraversial.
 
E-mal said:
Well under Ole, we knew what we where- a counter attacking team! and had positive goal difference. This manager is clueless and we look poor against any team
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We know what we want to be under Ten Hag, it's just a really shit thing because the squad isn't suited to it, and it's on the manager for not adapting. His results and cup finals and cups are better than Ole though.
 
VP89 said:
My statement also prefaced that had Jose been able to amend the squad he'd have been more successful than Ole. We know what happened, that he wasn't given that freedom, he made it clear which players weren't cutting it (and was proven right really), and the toxicity became too much.

However the actual statement that had Jose been able to continue his own build of the squad (after finishing 81 points), he'd have had more successful than Ole - that's not exactly contraversial.
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You are rewriting history. Just because Martial wasn't sold doesn't mean he didn't have freedom.

Also if not getting 1-2 player is the reason for him to turning so toxic then he was the biggest virus in that squad, which by now everyone knows.
 
VP89 said:
We know what we want to be under Ten Hag, it's just a really shit thing because the squad isn't suited to it, and it's on the manager for not adapting. His results and cup finals and cups are better than Ole though.
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Cups?
 
VP89 said:
But we have a new structure from next season, I don't get how the last 12 seasons is relevant in any way.
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You said Chelsea have been a circus under new ownership, they’ve only had a few years to destroy what worked under Roman and thrown unreal money at it.

My point is that United has been systematically destroyed by over a decade of mismanagement by Woodward/glazers, thus its never really been possible to objectively rate our managers in comparison to their peers who have managed at better run clubs.

That’s not to say our managers or ETH were/are good enough, but that we always seem to end up in the same spot. The only thing that hadn’t changed was ownership.

I agree that INEOs are our best hope of succes , but that kind of the makes the ETH sack discussion secondary to what they are gonna do. What’s more important this summer and next season isn’t what happens to ETH, but what INEOs do.
 
The Bloody-Nine said:
Trophies won by OIe?
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Seriously, people can dine out on that carling cup win with the easiest route possible. There’s still no disputing we could actually attack and have some decent games and it was lot more enjoyable for longer periods. Ten bag has been torture for a full 12 months now
 
VP89 said:
We know what we want to be under Ten Hag, it's just a really shit thing because the squad isn't suited to it, and it's on the manager for not adapting. His results and cup finals and cups are better than Ole though.
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What we want to be under EtH? What we saw at Ajax is not something EtH wants at ManUtd. So what exactly you or anyone know about the playing style he wants to implement?
 
Zlatan 7 said:
Seriously, people can dine out on that carling cup win with the easiest route possible. There’s still no disputing we could actually attack and have some decent games and it was lot more enjoyable for longer periods. Ten bag has been torture for a full 12 months now
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If it's that easy it's odd Ole couldn't do it. If Ole wasn't an ex player no one would be claiming he was better.
 
The Bloody-Nine said:
If it's that easy it's odd Ole couldn't do it. If Ole wasn't an ex player no one would be claiming he was better.
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There is such thing as easy draws and cup runs.

and the ex player bit is nonsense. We scored goals. We had a positive goal difference. We could attack. Things people have forgotten with this current manager
 
Jev said:
I just don’t follow the logic that a new manager would be a risk while ETH is somehow the safe option. Surely there’s nothing riskier than sticking with a manager who has been an abject failure by every single measure or criteria?
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Exactly. We literally get dominated by every team in the league. It can’t get much worse. The fact people are still defending Ten Hag at this point is crazy. This reminds of the Ole situation where it was clear he needed to be moved on but people still had blind optimism he was going to turn it around, which of course he never. The same thing will happen with Ten Hag. But hey, at least you’re a ‘loyal’ fan.
 
The Bloody-Nine said:
Sure. Are you claiming Ole somehow was presented with unfairly difficult draws?
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No. Nothing unfair about it. It’s a cup draw. Luckily ten hag didn’t meet Man City on way to carling cup. We seen what happened when he did in the fa cup
 
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