Erik ten Hag | 2022/23 & 2023/24

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He's just out of his depth in this leauge. Yes, he did well at Ajax but the ditch leauge is weak. Yes, he had some good results in the Champions leauge but that's knockout football in a nutshell. Anything can happen.

He talks about being the best transitional team (I still o ly have a vauge idea of what he means) but I feel he really underestimates how well teams, even in the lower end of the leauge are capable of retaining possession nowadays. It feels like he is training the team in drills and scenarios where when we lose possession, we try to win it back quickly and hit the team on the break but the reality is this dosent happen and we get played through.

So one scenario i have been thinking about is I do wonder if he has coached Bruno to play these clinical passes as much as he can to create scoring opportunities from wherever he can. If we lose the ball, we win it back quickly (in transition I guess?) and capitalise. Issue is Bruno tries the Hollywood pass but rarely comes off and we don't regain possession. I could be well off here but that's how I see it.
 
Samid said:
Good thing is we only have to endure this for two more months. Hopefully the deluded apologists leave with him.
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Amen. I just cannot understand why people defend him. He has shown zero progress after almost two years. With Ole I can understand because he's club legend but this bald fecker has zero connection with the club. If we aspire to the be on the level of Madrid, City, Bayern, etc just ask yourselves a question. Would he still be a manager in those clubs with these results ? Also just another shit on top is we are somehow often on the end of multiple maulings under him. Van Gaal is million times better than this fraud and he got sacked
 
DJ_21 said:
How long should a manager get then? Can you expect to hire a manager and have them challenging in the first season? I do believe we need a new manager to progress us further but we’re still miles away from competing with the top 3. So how long should a new manager get…
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I don’t think it’s defined by time. It’s defined by results, stats, integration of new players, player development, eye test, player confidence…

The problem with using time, say 3 years, is that the premise is inherently false. If that were the case, we could bring in any bum off the street, give him 3 years, and we’d magically be good. That’s an extreme example, but you get what I mean. Ole is probably a perfect example of this. We gave him more time because we thought if we gave him more time, he’d magically win the league. He was never going to win the league. And we wasted 3 and a half years.
 
Judas said:
You need to be seeing progress in the style of play etc. A plan in place. If we were 6th but showing signs of a direction I think things may possibly be a bit different in terms of the feeling towards the manager. I think when there's no sign of progression and if anything things look like they're more so going backwards than forwards, plugs have to be pulled. Managers deserve time, but its a case by case basis for me, some deserve more, some don't, the evidence decides.
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Absolutely agree.
 
The 85 touches they had in our penalty area were two short of the Premier League record.
The 31 attempts on goal are more than they have managed in a single game for seven years
They had also had more injured players missing than us.
How can anyone still defend ETH.
 
DJ_21 said:
It’s probably not going to work with ETH and the new owners have a massive decision to make in the summer but whoever they pick needs to be challenging straight away since our fan base don’t give anyone more than 2 seasons.
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United has one of the most patient fanbases of any supposed “big club”. In fact, I don’t think there’s any other fanbase as committed to “back the manager” as United’s. I have a theory it’s partially because Ferguson was here so long, and partially because many want to hold on to a childish notion that we’re not like other clubs (the “United way” thing is adjacent to this). A manager doesn’t survive a 7-0 mauling by their biggest rivals anywhere else (top clubs). Here, it was largely “shrugged off”and people just moved on.

One could argue that all the bad managerial appointments we made stayed here long after it was clear it wasn’t going to happen, and a factor in that is how reluctant United fans are to put pressure on the club to change direction/cut ties with managers.

For reference (and yes I’ll quote this again):

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I mean we have fans who somehow believe that 6 managers in 10 years is a lot or too much.

People should remember that during the same period of time Bayern had 8 different managers(including interims), Real Madrid had 6 different and 7 in total, Juventus had 4 different and 5 in total. Both Milan team have had 10 different managers. Napoli have had 7 different managers. The point being that United are arguably the club that underachieved the most and one of the key issue is the club reluctance to change things quickly
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We’ve been so shite for so long that smash-n-grab wins are reason for people to come to this thread and declare a guy that has us 29 league games in with a goal difference of 0 should be afforded another season - just to see if it “clicks” - now that we have a “structure”. It’s insane.

Most people here would have been happy with evidence of progression in our football. To say this fanbase doesn’t give managers time/is expecting them to compete right away isn’t even being disingenuous - it's an outright lie.
 
It's been clear for ages that any points we manage to get are just the players managing to drag us out of things. Ten Hag is contributing nothing positive. Need to try someone else next season.
 
DJ_21 said:
He was an highly rated manager before we got him. The 2 main options was him or Pochettino… 1 of thems managed in the prem before and look how well he’s doing with a team that’s spent billions. It’s probably not going to work with ETH and the new owners have a massive decision to make in the summer but whoever they pick needs to be challenging straight away since our fan base don’t give anyone more than 2 seasons.
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It's not about giving managers more than 2 seasons. There have to be signs of progress of which there are none; if anything, we've gone backwards. We've been poor all season, even in victory.

Last season gave me hope that he is the right man given how he dealt with difficult situations and honestly I was backing him for much of this season but there are no signs that things will improve. Get rid is the way to go.
 
UnofficialDevil said:
The 85 touches they had in our penalty area were two short of the Premier League record.
The 31 attempts on goal are more than they have managed in a single game for seven years
They had also had more injured players missing than us.
How can anyone still defend ETH.
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This is just shocking and worth sacking on its own.
 
Like I said in an earlier post, it's not doing anyone any good carrying on like this.
 
This is the game that's got me decided. I'm done with him. Guy doesn't learn. Doesn't even look like he wants us to play football. He continually sets the team up to be dominated. You could give him 1999 United and he'd play Keane as a single pivot with Sheringham and Yorke in centre midfield or something.
 
The number of times we were being totally outplayed by smaller clubs this season is staggering. Unbelievable, shocking and embarrassing to say the least. We have one of the highest spent in transfers and salaries.

Even many of our wins were lucky because we faced records number of shots against us week in week out. Added to the fact that we play negative counter attacking football. We can't defend, can't attack and our midfield is non-existent. Enough is enough.

It's time to pull the trigger and start a new chapter with SJR, Brailsford, Berrada, Ashworth and hopefully Inzaghi.
 
Always keeps Mctominay, Bruno on the pitch in the hope that they might get a goal for him no matter how shit they are playing just sums him up for me.

The way he just ignores the fact that because of those two we are getting overrun in midfield and teams are cutting us open time and time again is sackable in itself but he won’t do anything about it because they might get a goal. Shameless, clueless, hopeless.

How are we supposed to progress or have a style of play when we have a manager who has this kind of moyes type cowardice mentality?
 
Eventually his biggest supporters will finally see the light, well apart from Marcel on Utd View. We need to be talking with Nagelsmann/Amorim because you can be damn sure that scousers definitely will be
 
I wanted him to work here but he keeps getting outclassed. He’s gotta go. It’s De Zerbi for me. Premier league proven.

I think De Zerbis Bayern Munich (if he had the team Nagelsmann had) would’ve blown the lid off of what Nagelsmann did.

inzaghi also Id give a chance
 
croadyman said:
Eventually his biggest supporters will finally see the light, well apart from Marcel on Utd View. We need to be talking with Nagelsmann/Amorim because you can be damn sure that scousers definitely will be
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I know for sure that we were 2/3 mins away from people coming in here and saying things like “stop moaning, we won the match dont be so negative, football is ruined by stats” Because thats what we get told when teams batter us and we manage to win somehow.

id almost be okay with the 20+ shots every other day if we were also constantly knocking on the door. Eg the game at Luton, they had more shots that id like but we also had atleast 3/4 chances we should have scored from.

Games like yesterday when we are absolutely shite in managing it, shit in defence and even worse in attack.
 
TheRedHearted said:
I wanted him to work here but he keeps getting outclassed. He’s gotta go. It’s De Zerbi for me. Premier league proven.

I think De Zerbis Bayern Munich (if he had the team Nagelsmann had) would’ve blown the lid off of what Nagelsmann did.

inzaghi also Id give a chance
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Give me any of Nagelsmann,Inzaghi,Amorim or De Zerbi ideally in that order. Please INEOS look outside of Southgate/Potter for replacements
 
He's pretty much followed lvg here hasn't he.
That awesome pre season followed by a home league defeat first game of the season. Then manages top four.
Then goes out CL following year in pathetic fashion.
Just needs to win the fa cup this year, miss out cl football next year and then be sacked.

I also think he stumbled upon something last season but then hasn't tried to emulate it this year at all leaving us vulnerable and boring to watch. We can't break down teams who sit back which leaves no space for the less intelligent players who really rely on space.
Mctominay is to eth what fellaini became to lvg. And the funny thing is both managers wanted those players gone until a sub appearance resulted in a goal.
 
RedStarUnited said:
I know for sure that we were 2/3 mins away from people coming in here and saying things like “stop moaning, we won the match dont be so negative, football is ruined by stats” Because thats what we get told when teams batter us and we manage to win somehow.

id almost be okay with the 20+ shots every other day if we were also constantly knocking on the door. Eg the game at Luton, they had more shots that id like but we also had atleast 3/4 chances we should have scored from.

Games like yesterday when we are absolutely shite in managing it, shit in defence and even worse in attack.
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Oh yeah his biggest fans were ready to say take that Erik outers you have been silenced again
 
roonster09 said:
His interviews are more worrying than our performance.
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Because they confirm what we see on the pitch. If he is not mad about what he is seeing and justifying it, then it means we are not working on resolving anything. That match and the Wolves match from Matchday 1 are identical. Yet the teams we played are vastly different and even the ground played is different.
 
abailey123 said:
Regardless of what happens this season I don’t think he goes. Can we really afford 2 lots of competition? He’s out of contract at the end of next season anyway so assess over the next 6 months and then make a decision. With inspiring replacements like Southgate and O’Neill mooted I’d rather stick for the timebeing and hope we can get some consistency of selection, as more than anything this is what ETH needs - his core group to be available and not sat on the treatment table like they’ve been for the majority of the season
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Excuses FC,sorry got no time for that
 
Words fail me as to how bad he is as a coach. Two years on from that time when Brentford dicked us at the start of the season and the most worrying thing is that we still have no structure, no discernible style of play and absolutely no heart. The buck has to stop with him, there are no excuses - has to be got rid of and I’d do it now.
 
RedBanker said:
How's this guy still at a job? :lol:
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I honestly have no clue how
I get that no other high profile manager is available right now, but what’s the point in dragging the inevitable.

Give it to an interim, till the end of season, he’d do a much better job that ETH
 
Judas said:
It would be a truly mind boggling start for the new regime to allow this to go on for much longer really, it s simply not the impression you want to make from the start of what is meant to be a new era. He's done.
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His saving grace is the people making the decisions aren't in a job yet and won't be for another year.
 
Sylar said:
I also think he stumbled upon something last season but then hasn't tried to emulate it this year at all leaving us vulnerable and boring to watch. We can't break down teams who sit back which leaves no space for the less intelligent players who really rely on space.
Mctominay is to eth what fellaini became to lvg. And the funny thing is both managers wanted those players gone until a sub appearance resulted in a goal.
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I'd say he stumbled upon a fit Eriksen who controlled our midfield last season.
 
pascell said:
We got put to the sword by a team who lost 14 of their last 18 games whilst playing a suicidal style of play, which we've seen all season. Clear as day he isn't the right man for the job now, we just have to hope the alternative isn't Southgate.
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Yeah please INEOS not Southgate
 
I have no idea whether he will be kept on for next season but if he is he will be sacked within first 10 games. We are awful and the league table flatters us almost as made as a drawer flattered us last night.

The idea that ETH is doing anything that will lead to success is laughable. The best thing he has going for him is we have no structure in place yet and so much to do that he might get kept on by default which will be a disaster
 
Munkehboi said:
I'd say he stumbled upon a fit Eriksen who controlled our midfield last season.
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We looked decent to good with eriksen casemiro and Bruno until eriksen injury. And of course case reds which impacted him. We just needed something similar this season and we've gone so far away from it.

It feels very game by game what we're going to do rather than a set style that we aim for.
 
It's just ridiculous at this point. I don't care whether he's sacked today or after the final game of the season, but he simply cannot stay beyond that. We never win due to a tactical masterclass
 
No chance of him being here come the summer. I think he knows it too. Hopefully he gets another cup win before he goes though.
 
Whats worrying is outside of Van Gaal who is a stubborn nutter, all our managers post Moyes all resorted to playing either gungho or unstructured football and gave up their ideals. Erik being the latest. If anyone remembers it kinda happened with Rangnick too, for all his philosophy talks we resorted to playing shit football near the end for result and I have no doubt had he continued itd end up similarly like what we are seeing.

Something is wrong and that needs to be addressed regardless if Erik stays as the manager or not. No manager can thrive like this.
 
2 man midfield said:
If it’s “just Ajax” and they win it every year, just remind me where they are right now?

Let’s not downplay what he did there. Everyone was rubbing themselves silly when he arrived.
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Yes they were, and I think most people would still agree that ETH was the right profile of manager that we should have been signing. But that doesn't mean that he would definitely work out, and it also doesn't mean we should keep giving him more and more time when it's looking increasingly likely that it's not going to work. At some point you bite the bullet and move on to the next one, and see if that manager will work out.

ETH has had some unfortunate circumstances around his time here. Obviously the incompetence at the boardroom, the issues with Ronaldo, Sancho, Greenwood and to a lesser extent Antony, the badly built squad, and the injury toll this season. So I do have some sympathy for him that it's very very far away from being an ideal situation for him to work in. However, it still doesn't excuse just how bad we've actually been. Our place on the table actually isn't reflective on our performances, as there have been quite a few games this season that we've been very lucky to get anything out of when we've been comfortably second best. We actually 'deserve' to be lower.
 
What makes me sad is knowing that the Liverpool performance/result was the outlier and that we've simply returned to the mean. The new dawn lasted all of a single game, and because it was an international break, got stretched over two full weeks, two weeks where one might be optimistic in the belief all the positive could be extracted whilst the negative put to the wayside... turns out, it's exactly the opposite; not a single element of those positives were on display and simultaneously, the worst of what we have tended to be all season was even more dire, evidenced by the stats of the game where Brentford have run roughshod with us having our twelfth man, Woodwork, to thank for them not being multiple goals up inside 70 minutes.

We are abject so frequently that it's drained the life out of the fanbase - sick and tired of being sick and tired is apt. It's a real drag to repeat the same things over and over and over, and the erosion of morale and things to cling on to, in the belief the turnaround is finally upon us, has reduced to I'd say the lowest ebb of the season now. Why? Because there's no conviction behind the words anymore; they are empty and routine, like coping mechanisms to get us over the line each 90 minutes, and I think this one hits particularly hard because of the hope that we had finally, finally turned a corner.... after the labyrinth of them we've chugged through over the course of a season.

We're now in the run-in. We get to see what teams are about and all have their set style of play and a firm imprint on the league. The international break is no excuse given all of a 'rivals' for the CL spots came out the blocks on fire and as they were before the break showing exactly what they are about and what they stand for. Unfortunately, we've done the exact same - we look like us again. It's as simple as that.

There are certain things I can tolerate, but the lack of regard for what midfield is and what it should stand for in a team being ignored is astonishing to me. I've bemoaned it for most of the season and I cannot stand the way we exert zero control on games through midfield. Even if you don't care about the element of control because you're scoring goals, the importance of it in terms of giving your team time to recover whilst absolutely killing the spirit of the opposition is literally 60+ years in the making. We are not some revolutionary entity who has found a way to bypass what is legion, and ironically, it is us constantly put to the sword by these very principles as opposing sides exhaust us as we chase them back and forth through midfield, that is galling. To not only be poor in midfield, but then have it used against us is the kind of gut punch that sours and I hate that element of what we are more than anything. It also has to be galling for players to go on international breaks to teams where midfield and control are respected and then come back to whatever the feck it is we do with ours.

The turnaround is crazy - from ten Hag's 8th of 9 lives potentially being the one that finally sees him construct something being spent, to him now possibly being out by this time next week. I think the executioner has sharpened his equipment to a fine point now. We're really reaching the end this time.
 
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