Erik ten Hag | 2022/23 & 2023/24

Status
Not open for further replies.
Last season was last season, this isn’t even a debating point. I mean why even stop there if we’re applying the past to today?

How about I choose to focus on this season, you choose to focus on last season and ignore this season and we’ll see what happens next? I have the feeling that your argument is the one that’s flawed unfortunately.
I'm focusing on his time overall.
The rebuild was always going to be up and down, anyone thinking it's a tangible linear progression is frankly a naive fool. If his overall win % as a coach for us was poor I would indeed be worried. And if this season he didn't show form for bouncing back in bad periods, I'd be worried. However hes been able to churn out strings of results when the going gets tough, like it or lump it.
 
Why change if we are rebuilding the club structure and the squad? He is a modern manager, a disciplinarian and won‘t give up.

Unless he goes on a massive losing streak, let him rebuild ( with certain checks on recruitment in place) and see what happens.
 
Why change if we are rebuilding the club structure and the squad? He is a modern manager, a disciplinarian and won‘t give up.

Unless he goes on a massive losing streak, let him rebuild ( with certain checks on recruitment in place) and see what happens.
To get a better manager?

What is so 'modern' about him? Losing lots of games?
 
Most of the talk is that he’ll be there next season. Most of the injuries will be back by April so his injuries excuses wont be valid if there’s no change in performance

We already saw what we're like when players came back a few weeks ago. We played the exact same way. Chaotic games with chances for both teams. A lack of control.

And it didn't matter if was League Two opposition or Premier League ones.

Injuries can't excuse this entire season. Lots of teams have had injuries at various points of the season.

The reality is that Rashford, Bruno Fernandes, Antony, Garnacho and Hojlund have been available for the majority of the season. Just 36 goals between them.

We have struggled to score goals all season. McTominay and Casemiro have been more reliable in front of goal than most of the attackers.

However, I do think he'll get another season. Undeserved. But it is what it is.
 
Why change if we are rebuilding the club structure and the squad? He is a modern manager, a disciplinarian and won‘t give up.

Unless he goes on a massive losing streak, let him rebuild ( with certain checks on recruitment in place) and see what happens.
Pay me 10m a year and I won't give up either
 
I'm focusing on his time overall.
The rebuild was always going to be up and down, anyone thinking it's a tangible linear progression is frankly a naive fool. If his overall win % as a coach for us was poor I would indeed be worried. And if this season he didn't show form for bouncing back in bad periods, I'd be worried. However hes been able to churn out strings of results when the going gets tough, like it or lump it.

Solskjaer did the exact same thing for large spells of his reign. ten Hag has a 6% better win ratio. However, he has a worse loss ratio.

After almost 2 full seasons in charge, we haven't progressed enough. There is very little between the two managers. A trophy is the main difference.

And I say this as someone who never wanted us to hire Solskjaer, and who wanted us to hire ten Hag. He's been the most disappointing appointment post SAF, as I had genuine hope when he was hired. Now I'd be happy if he was managing Liverpool or City.
 
Solskjaer did the exact same thing for large spells of his reign. ten Hag has a 6% better win ratio. However, he has a worse loss ratio.

After almost 2 full seasons in charge, we haven't progressed enough. There is very little between the two managers. A trophy is the main difference.

And I say this as someone who never wanted us to hire Solskjaer, and who wanted us to hire ten Hag. He's been the most disappointing appointment post SAF, as I had genuine hope when he was hired. Now I'd be happy if he was managing Liverpool or City.
What is the overall points per game comparing both managers after 2 seasons? Guess Ole has a caretaker stint though.
 
I'm focusing on his time overall.
The rebuild was always going to be up and down, anyone thinking it's a tangible linear progression is frankly a naive fool. If his overall win % as a coach for us was poor I would indeed be worried. And if this season he didn't show form for bouncing back in bad periods, I'd be worried. However hes been able to churn out strings of results when the going gets tough, like it or lump it.
I think those who are yet blind to his scarily limited abilities as a manager are naive fools.
 
I'm focusing on his time overall.
The rebuild was always going to be up and down, anyone thinking it's a tangible linear progression is frankly a naive fool. If his overall win % as a coach for us was poor I would indeed be worried. And if this season he didn't show form for bouncing back in bad periods, I'd be worried. However hes been able to churn out strings of results when the going gets tough, like it or lump it.
As you said progress isn’t linear which is exactly why the downward trajectory for EtH should ring alarm bells.

If you look at the stat in isolation then yes his win percentage is ‘acceptable’ but when you consider his loss percentage as another poster has pointed out along with how that win percentage has actually decreased this season then the stat in isolation fails to tell the whole story.

It’s understandable that people would like to see the bright side with EtH but he’s just another poor Glazer appointment that flattered to deceive.
 
As you said progress isn’t linear which is exactly why the downward trajectory for EtH should ring alarm bells.
It's not downward though is it? He's bounced back from bad form at various points this season despite having an injury plagued defence. His 2024 form is better than just good in fact.
 
Hag is having the same stint now.
Can you answer the question?
I think those who are yet blind to his scarily limited abilities as a manager are naive fools.
Imagine taking this season as reflective of his managerial prowess and ignoring everything else he's done :lol:

By the way, he may well be limited as a top level coach, but he also may not be. For me it's impossible to tell given the cards he's dealt and him needing time to work shit out on his side too. What you cannot argue against however, is he's had us bounce back at various points this season, and when he's had the key players back we did show much better form.
 
It's not downward though is it? He's bounced back from bad form at various points this season despite having an injury plagued defence. His 2024 form is better than just good in fact.
What was his Win% to start the season & what is his win percentage now?

I’m not sure what you mean by ‘bounce back’. Eventually winning a game then going on another poor run isn’t ’bouncing back’. Why are you looking at the 11 games in 2024 discounting the 14 losses in 3/4 months prior?
 
Can you answer the question?

Imagine taking this season as reflective of his managerial prowess and ignoring everything else he's done :lol:

By the way, he may well be limited as a top level coach, but he also may not be. For me it's impossible to tell given the cards he's dealt and him needing time to work shit out on his side too. What you cannot argue against however, is he's had us bounce back at various points this season, and when he's had the key players back we did show much better form.
Yeah he can go and learn the ropes of footy management at a club more suited to his level. We are not a sandbox ffs. Anyway since you are one of the "keep" brigade there is no point of this. Read the threads, all excuses have been shredded to bits time and time again.
 
Do those supporting ETH actually watch any of our games? why would SJR pay the money he has to watch that drivel? Our manager is not the only issue for sure but he’s equally not part of the solution. Why look to bring in a world class structure to run the club and have a mid table at best manager? Is ETH even in the top 10 managers in the EPL ? There’s no way he’s top 6 that’s for sure.
 
What was his Win% to start the season & what is his win percentage now?

I’m not sure what you mean by ‘bounce back’. Eventually winning a game then going on another poor run isn’t ’bouncing back’. Why are you looking at the 11 games in 2024 discounting the 14 losses in 3/4 months prior?
I've already addressed that the progress isn't going to be a linear one. He also had quite an unsustainable win % in year one. My point regarding bouncing back is that he's capable of getting the team on better patches of form to turn things around (results wise, I accept our performances are not convincing). And his 2024 form is actually very good.

You pointed to this season as some consistent downtrend when that's not completely the case. For all of the gaslighting, we still aren't out the race of a 5th spot which may well take champions league football.
 
Yeah he can go and learn the ropes of footy management at a club more suited to his level. We are not a sandbox ffs. Anyway since you are one of the "keep" brigade there is no point of this. Read the threads, all excuses have been shredded to bits time and time again.
You can say a lot of arbitrary things and veer off the point if you like. There was mention of him versus our predecessor on win % and loss %, and I am just asking how his overall points per game or win % stacks up after the same number of games, compared to his predecessor. That's all.
 
Do those supporting ETH actually watch any of our games? why would SJR pay the money he has to watch that drivel? Our manager is not the only issue for sure but he’s equally not part of the solution. Why look to bring in a world class structure to run the club and have a mid table at best manager? Is ETH even in the top 10 managers in the EPL ? There’s no way he’s top 6 that’s for sure.
Since SAF left there are a number of fans who like to look at this period as one of martyrdom, if we ‘do it the hard way’ it’ll make up for all the years of glory hunting so there comes some confusion between supporting the club & what in turn that means to support the manager. You get drawn into discussions that sound a lot more like their concerns are with the success of a manager rather than the club.

It’s as if people need reminding that SAF isn’t walking back through those doors & we won’t be seeing Pep or Klopp either. SjR/Ineos have made it abundantly clear that they will buy the players & dictate the playing style. EtH is the coach & right now he is not coaching this current squad to its maximum.
 
I've already addressed that the progress isn't going to be a linear one. He also had quite an unsustainable win % in year one. My point regarding bouncing back is that he's capable of getting the team on better patches of form to turn things around (results wise, I accept our performances are not convincing). And his 2024 form is actually very good.

You pointed to this season as some consistent downtrend when that's not completely the case. For all of the gaslighting, we still aren't out the race of a 5th spot which may well take champions league football.
‘better patches of form’ don’t win leagues &/or compete for them. The biggest red flag is he’s not even being asked to do those things, we finished 3rd last season & his apologists were already making excuses as to why we should finish 4th. We’re now relying on teams to collapse to be in with a shout at 5th.

We vastly outspend the majority of the league, so it is understandable that we would win a few games in a row. That is not bouncing back.

The word gaslighting gets thrown around with careless abandon a lot these days but you’ve really pushed the envelope here. Pointing to a staggering decrease in win% season to season is not being gaslit mate, come on.
 
Yet for me vs Ole playing 3-5-2, 4-4-2, 3-4-3, 5-3-2, 4-3-3, 4-2-3-1, 4-2-2-1 and everything in between, its now a steady 4-2-3-1 with emphasis on shifting to 4-1-4-1 when its possible. Only City had a much different tactic.

And wasn't Klopp hailed a genius for changing tactics? Putting Trent Arnold as roving midfield right back?

On top of that I don't think sending Maguire with the same instructions as say Varane or Lindelof is wise. the non regulars are non regulars for a reason, they have various limitations and you have to set up accordingly.

I do think changing away from first season tactics to Onana being starting point was a bit difficult in the first few months. I also think Ten Hag could'v changed set up once we got ahead vs that Turkish club in de CL game. We were ahead, shut up shop was needed but he kept subbing with attackers iirc. But overall, EtHs United plays a much more stable and clear course system than we did the previous managers. And I love the way he has Shaw and Dalot playing almost as wing forwards. Pre-season Shaw and that 4-1-4-1 including Mount showed at times, some mad attacking, huge overloading. Imo the style has been consistent, the aim was away from De Gea forced build up. Onana has picked it up finally and only the many injuries seem to hold us back a lot.
Wish I saw it as clearly as you, I see a tactical mess every game with teams running through us at will due to midfielders being everywhere but where they’re meant to be and forwards generally refusing to track back. I’m all for inverted fullbacks moving into midfield but when it breaks down we seem to have zero know how of how to defend the counter attack into the gapping hole.

i just think ETH needs to get this group of players playing to a certain game plan irrelevant of injuries so they all know what is expected, if they don’t follow those instructions use someone else. Teams with lesser quality players and managers are playing much better football than we are without having to rely on moments in games to go our way.
 
‘better patches of form’ don’t win leagues &/or compete for them. The biggest red flag is he’s not even being asked to do those things, we finished 3rd last season & his apologists were already making excuses as to why we should finish 4th. We’re now relying on teams to collapse to be in with a shout at 5th.
I dont think it's reasonable for any manager to be expected to push for a league with this many defensive injuries, and a youth project spearheading the attack.
I am not denying that the finish this year will not be as good as last season. I am just questioning the logic that it should be linearly better despite seeing a fair bit of bad luck on the injury front.
We vastly outspend the majority of the league, so it is understandable that we would win a few games in a row. That is not bouncing back.
I dont care for how much we spent when we have a clown negotiating the fees. That's not a slight on the coach.

We don't just win a few by the way. We show good form, you can track our results if you want.

By the way, I respect your posts but let's park the apologist name calling, shall we? I'm just trying to debate reasonably here
The word gaslighting gets thrown around with careless abandon a lot these days but you’ve really pushed the envelope here. Pointing to a staggering decrease in win% season to season is not being gaslit mate, come on.
Win % last year was quite unsustainable. If our win % was tailing down this season within the year as it progressed then sure. However when the cards are stacked against us, we seem to show some prolonged form to stabilise. Again, our 11 games in 2024 have been good by way of results, and we will be seeing some key players back now too.
 
What was his Win% to start the season & what is his win percentage now?

I’m not sure what you mean by ‘bounce back’. Eventually winning a game then going on another poor run isn’t ’bouncing back’. Why are you looking at the 11 games in 2024 discounting the 14 losses in 3/4 months prior?
Mate, we’ve been on a downward spiral since we beat Barcelona last season but people want to pretend this season has come completely out of the blue.
 
I dont think it's reasonable for any manager to be expected to push for a league with this many defensive injuries, and a youth project spearheading the attack.
I am not denying that the finish this year will not be as good as last season. I am just questioning the logic that it should be linearly better despite seeing a fair bit of bad luck on the injury front.
Which is exactly why I pointed out that expectations have been vastly lowered this season for him & he’s failing to even meet those.

I’ve also agreed progress shouldn’t be linear, I don’t think anyone has said it should be. What I am saying is that 16 losses in this span of games this season is not simply ‘bad luck’ or injuries. There’s something not right on the pitch & in the dugout.

Win % last year was quite unsustainable. If our win % was tailing down this season within the year as it progressed then sure. However when the cards are stacked against us, we seem to show some prolonged form to stabilise. Again, our 11 games in 2024 have been good by way of results, and we will be seeing some key players back now too.
If his high win % last year was unsustainable then his poor win % this year is what exactly? I’d say it’s again, unsustainable.

My main issue with the narrative around EtH is that things will suddenly get easier under Ineos when they’ll in fact become much more difficult with expectations raised & given the poor performances even with built in excuses [takeover, injuries] this year I don’t think EtH warrants his position.
By the way, I respect your posts but let's park the apologist name calling, shall we? I'm just trying to debate reasonably here
Given you’ve labelled my post gaslighting I barely think apologist is the worse of the 2 but it wasn’t meant to be offensive, more so descriptive. I’m trying debate reasonably also.
 
Mate, we’ve been on a downward spiral since we beat Barcelona last season but people want to pretend this season has come completely out of the blue.
Agreed.

I said it in an earlier post but honestly people seem to be mixing up what it means to support the club & what it means to support the manager.
 
Since SAF left there are a number of fans who like to look at this period as one of martyrdom, if we ‘do it the hard way’ it’ll make up for all the years of glory hunting so there comes some confusion between supporting the club & what in turn that means to support the manager. You get drawn into discussions that sound a lot more like their concerns are with the success of a manager rather than the club.

It’s as if people need reminding that SAF isn’t walking back through those doors & we won’t be seeing Pep or Klopp either. SjR/Ineos have made it abundantly clear that they will buy the players & dictate the playing style. EtH is the coach & right now he is not coaching this current squad to its maximum.
Exactly is ETH getting the most out of the assets at his disposal? Clearly a big no! You also raise another point though. How amazing was SAF? To constantly put out a winning team under the Glazer mess. Look who have tried after him and failed.
 
Which is exactly why I pointed out that expectations have been vastly lowered this season for him & he’s failing to even meet those.
My point is the extent of his specific underperformance from a result standpoint is overcooked, for the context already given.
I’ve also agreed progress shouldn’t be linear, I don’t think anyone has said it should be. What I am saying is that 16 losses in this span of games this season is not simply ‘bad luck’ or injuries. There’s something not right on the pitch & in the dugout.
You looked at a win % last season and compared to a win % this season to make a point, but also say progress isn't linear.

I agree with the 16 losses point but we are also not really drawing many games. One win and two draws is an unbeaten run, but 2 wins and one loss is more points, even though it's a better win % and a worse loss %.

At the end of the day, wel probably be on track for the same or more than Liverpool last season by way of points, despite being rocked with far worse injuries.

If his high win % last year was unsustainable then his poor win % this year is what exactly? I’d say it’s again, unsustainable.
Aye he's lost too much this season. He's also been dealt a shit hand in defence that leaks so much on shots, which in part is him and in part a lack of organisation and chemistry from a patched up back 4. I'd prefer to refer to tracking his points per game to see how bad he is this season, apply the context and then see the extent to which he underperformed.
My main issue with the narrative around EtH is that things will suddenly get easier under Ineos when they’ll in fact become much more difficult with expectations raised & given the poor performances even with built in excuses [takeover, injuries] this year I don’t think EtH warrants his position.
Thats fine, but I don't see a single manager on the market that actually warrants getting a spot over him. I'd rather see what he's capable of with some better support.
 
Mate, we’ve been on a downward spiral since we beat Barcelona last season but people want to pretend this season has come completely out of the blue.

Results wise it's fair to say we've been very inconsistent since March last year.

Performance wise you could count the decent to good but definitely not great performances maybe on one hand. Regardless of which players have been fit or injured. That's the most worrying downward trajectory.

It makes you wonder if the first 4-5 months of consistent results/performances under Ten Hag may well have been just a new manager bounce.
 
Results wise it's fair to say we've been very inconsistent since March last year.

Performance wise you could count the decent to good but definitely not great performances maybe on one hand. Regardless of which players have been fit or injured. That's the most worrying downward trajectory.

It makes you wonder if the first 4-5 months of consistent results/performances under Ten Hag may well have been just a new manager bounce.
The last paragraph is exactly what’s happened. Even when we’ve had a fully fit squad we haven’t been able to replicate the first few months of Ten Hags tenure.
 
As far as excuses, I'm not sure a manager with a 60+ win percentage needs to have any excuses tbh.

Season hasn’t been great but the manager is only a part of the puzzle. It’s not hard to imagine some of those 16 defeats could have been different with a fully fit Martinez/Shaw with Mainoo available all season and Hojlund full of confidence like he is now.
 
I've already addressed that the progress isn't going to be a linear one. He also had quite an unsustainable win % in year one. My point regarding bouncing back is that he's capable of getting the team on better patches of form to turn things around (results wise, I accept our performances are not convincing). And his 2024 form is actually very good.

You pointed to this season as some consistent downtrend when that's not completely the case. For all of the gaslighting, we still aren't out the race of a 5th spot which may well take champions league football.
If the club has any ambition narrowly finishing fifth wont save his job
 
As far as excuses, I'm not sure a manager with a 60+ win percentage needs to have any excuses tbh.

Season hasn’t been great but the manager is only a part of the puzzle. It’s not hard to imagine some of those 16 defeats could have been different with a fully fit Martinez/Shaw with Mainoo available all season and Hojlund full of confidence like he is now.
Who gives a shit about his win percentage we are sixth and don't even deserve to be that high. Generally the football is awful to watch. As for the injuries or hojlund not having the same level of confidence all season, every club gets injuries. If we had been setup competently we would have lost fewer games regardless of the injuries
 
If the club has any ambition narrowly finishing fifth wont save his job

That's how I see this dynamic with Ratcliffe. I don't think they'll be reactive but pro-active and it's simply a question of can Eth win the league in the next 24-36 months given that would be 4-5 seasons of his entire tenure. It also means he will have been one of the managers with the highest NET spend in the league and also in the club's post SAF history. There's pressure and anticipation, he would need to deliver as a guarantee.
 
Who gives a shit about his win percentage we are sixth and don't even deserve to be that high. Generally the football is awful to watch. As for the injuries or hojlund not having the same level of confidence all season, every club gets injuries. If we had been setup competently we would have lost fewer games regardless of the injuries
Difficult to actually gauge whether the struggles we have is set up related or personnel related. I'd argue setting up conservatively with the available players would not yield any better results nor would it be any more entertaining.
 
If the club has any ambition narrowly finishing fifth wont save his job
I mean in that scenario he'd finish probably one place behind where his side would be expected to given the injuries. Don't see it as a major issue, especially if he locks in CL football and ends the season strongly. People tend to remember the latest form and results when extrapolating.
 
I mean in that scenario he'd finish probably one place behind where his side would be expected to given the injuries. Don't see it as a major issue, especially if he locks in CL football and ends the season strongly. People tend to remember the latest form and results when extrapolating.

Well, let's hope the "new people" running the sporting side at United will be able to look deeper than that - no matter what they decide.
 
Well, let's hope the "new people" running the sporting side at United will be able to look deeper than that - no matter what they decide.
According to Hirst they are. They seem to be under the impression that the structure is essentially poison for any manager. Ratcliffe has hinted this in his own interview.

Ten Hag was seen as a good candidate by City too, so I'm not surprised if Berrada wants to see more of him.
 
According to Hirst they are. They seem to be under the impression that the structure is essentially poison for any manager. Ratcliffe has hinted this in his own interview.

Ten Hag was seen as a good candidate by City too, so I'm not surprised if Berrada wants to see more of him.

I'm sure the structure has not been helpful for anyone, and especially someone like ETH - who came from the Netherlands, which was a huge step up, and then needed to make another step up with the control he was given over players signings instead of having a club sturcture to help identify the players needed for the sort of football he wanted to play. He wouldn't have had the knowledge of the market available to United so it's not surprising he turned to his own personal knowledge regardingf the players he chose, which was a pretty limited market. He needed help and probably didn't get it.

People would say it's his fault because he wanted that power, but can you blame him for not trusting United, looking at recent years - and also the issues we had in the scouting department as the time following the sacking of two leading ones?

If we had a good structure that helped him get the right players and focus on coaching the team - which is the reason we got him in the first place - then maybe, MAYBE, things wouldn't have been different.

Could that still change if we get that structure in place now? In theory, yes, but I also fear the milk might have soured with him and that it's too late.
 
As far as excuses, I'm not sure a manager with a 60+ win percentage needs to have any excuses tbh.

Season hasn’t been great but the manager is only a part of the puzzle. It’s not hard to imagine some of those 16 defeats could have been different with a fully fit Martinez/Shaw with Mainoo available all season and Hojlund full of confidence like he is now.

That's such a casual way of looking at things. The season's not been great is an understatement.
  • No United manager post SAF has gone completely out of Europe at the group stage until ten Hag
  • Just 1 more defeat this season would be a record amount of defeats in a season post SAF
  • We lost 3-0 at home in The League Cup vs a Newcastle side which featured Dummett and Krafth (a RB coming off an ACL inury) at CB

It's been a horrific season. The football has been dire for over a year. There's been maybe half a dozen good performances this season.
  • 2nd half vs Nottingham Forest at home
  • Palace at home (League Cup)
  • 1st half vs Galatasaray away (CL)
  • Chelsea at home
  • 2nd half vs Villa at home
  • 1st half vs Wolves away
This what if logic is flawed. What if City had KDB fit all season. What if Timber didn't do his ACL on his PL debut for Arsenal. What if Villa didn't lose Mings and Buendia for the entire season less than 1 game into the season. What if Spurs had van de Ven and Maddison available all season. What if...
 
My point is the extent of his specific underperformance from a result standpoint is overcooked, for the context already given.
In a results business where your performance is paramount I do not see how someone can overcook either. I’m genuinely baffled by that sentence, are you saying underperformance &/or poor results are being overstated?
You looked at a win % last season and compared to a win % this season to make a point, but also say progress isn't linear.

I agree with the 16 losses point but we are also not really drawing many games. One win and two draws is an unbeaten run, but 2 wins and one loss is more points, even though it's a better win % and a worse loss %.

At the end of the day, wel probably be on track for the same or more than Liverpool last season by way of points, despite being rocked with far worse injuries.
I highlighted win% in your post, you claimed his win percentage was in some way proof he is doing well & I just delved deeper. I’m not saying progress isn’t linear then criticising the win%. I was critiquing your use of win% without context.

As for progress not being linear, I’ve touched on how before we’d even kicked a ball this season people were making excuses for how 4th would be ok and how the injuries narrative [which again when looked at with context shows we don’t play in a silo and the teams we play have injuries/suspensions too] 5th would now suddenly be acceptable, yet he is leading a team languishing in 6th praying for a miracle.

As for being on track with Liverpool last year. Not sure about the relevance, we weren’t as good as them prior and aren’t going to be as good as they are this season next season. You’re falling into the trap I see many do in defence of EtH on here and not discussing the man on his own merits but throwing in what few other managers have done as outliers.
Aye he's lost too much this season. He's also been dealt a shit hand in defence that leaks so much on shots, which in part is him and in part a lack of organisation and chemistry from a patched up back 4. I'd prefer to refer to tracking his points per game to see how bad he is this season, apply the context and then see the extent to which he underperformed.
Which is exactly why expectations have been lowered to a 5th place finish which he is currently not on target for. Whilst the team currently in 5th place, Spurs, started the season with a worse set of resources and have had their own injury issues.

Part of management is making the best out of what you have at your disposal. No manager has an ideal squad only 18 months into their tenure so they have to tailor their approach to what they have. EtH is not maximising this squad at all but persisting with a flawed tactic off the back of, ‘once you give me another £400mil & a squad with no injuries for a whole season things will be fine’, which is never going to happen.
Thats fine, but I don't see a single manager on the market that actually warrants getting a spot over him. I'd rather see what he's capable of with some better support.
It’s not up to you and me to throw names around a forum for the next manager, it just muddies the water and diverts the discussion from the incumbent. No matter who we hire they will have their naysayers so all we can do is assess the current managers performance.

My thought hasn’t changed from Moyes. If a manager is missing minimum performance expectations they should go. If you operate under a fear of ‘next manager might fail’ no one would ever change managers.
 
Status
Not open for further replies.