I'm confident we won't go for him. But could you imagine not only hiring Southgate, but waiting till after the Euros for him and ruining a summer of planning too, as we did with LVG
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I'm confident we won't go for him. But could you imagine not only hiring Southgate, but waiting till after the Euros for him and ruining a summer of planning too, as we did with LVG
The pashun when we hit late winners against forest and wolves will be worth it though
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Adidas branded waistcoasts in red.The pashun when we hit late winners against forest and wolves will be worth it though
In two years in which we have spent thousands of millions, we were interested in just 6 players in total. There are people who actually believe that.
It's so tedious that "manager wants a say in transfers" is being blatantly misrepresented as "Ten Hag demanded to call all the shots".
This is a great article on the signing and how the cost was so much: https://www.espn.com/soccer/story/_/id/37635427/is-antony-100m-mistake-future-man-united.
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So Murtough approached Ajax for Antony and was quoted €60m, turned his nose up at that and tried to work a deal for one of the other two players on the shortlist that was far too short for purpose, and then had to go back in for Antony at a ridiculously inflated cost because those alternatives didn't work out. Misrepresenting that as "ETH spent £85m on Antony that's a sackable offence" is so far removed from the truth it's borderline trolling.
Versions, sure. However I'd be surprised if anyone genuinly thinks that 90 percent of our players are sh*t and the players that eth has brought in are throwing him under the bus. I guess I'm just tired of all the strawman arguments being thrown around.
Fellaini all over again. When the subject of transfer fees came up on the Overlap, Ole mentioned that he as the manager had absolutely nothing to do with that. You'd have to assume the same would be true for Ten Hag, so while we can blame him for signing duds, he likely wasn't setting price-tags.
To be honest, we shouldn't really be blaming him for signing duds either. His job shouldn't be to identify targets, beyond at most an exemplar of the profile he's looking at. That's the role of an entire scouting and recruitment department, that should work with the manager to identify those profiles, and then come up with options. Think how many left footed wide players there are in world football, and then try to imagine how awful our scouting department must be if they were only able to come up with 2 alternatives to Antony who was put forward by Ten Hag as an example.
We look to be amongst the worst coached teams in the league, if not the worst. So I would say we can gauge his coaching.
His other teams may not have exhibited the same problems but Holland is very different to the pl
I think that's a big problem we've got.
We all want to see us play a different style of football because we're not going to compete for the major trophies otherwise but I feel like we're going to have to wait until those two are no longer the star players to be able to implement it.
Don't get attached to ETH, hes gone in the summer no matter the performances or turn around on the pitch.
He isn't their man and if you want any public proof of it, he hasn't been offered a new deal.
He isn't their man and if you want any public proof of it, he hasn't been offered a new deal.
Would Bayern have any interest in ten Hag (if Alonso goes to Liverpool/stays at Leverkusen)? He was second choice after Nagelsmann. Not done the business here/in the big leagues, though.
Surely Leverkusen to replace Alonso would be more likely?
I just don’t see him being in charge come 1st June at the latest. New owners always want to have their own guys in place especially if the club had been bad and/or underperforming before they come in.
ETH was hired by Glazers, Arnold and Murtough. The Glazers have relinquished the on-pitch powers. Arnold effectively got kicked out by INEOS and Murtough’s position is very much under threat if we’re already hiring the likes of Ashworth, Wilcox and maybe Freedman.
So the people who work with ETH and who hired him could all be out of the picture imminently in relation to his main role. The Glazers are still part owners but face it they’re going to bunker down in Tampa even more now that they‘ve got an excuse not to come to games.
ETH was hired by Glazers, Arnold and Murtough. The Glazers have relinquished the on-pitch powers. Arnold effectively got kicked out by INEOS and Murtough’s position is very much under threat if we’re already hiring the likes of Ashworth, Wilcox and maybe Freedman.
So the people who work with ETH and who hired him could all be out of the picture imminently in relation to his main role. The Glazers are still part owners but face it they’re going to bunker down in Tampa even more now that they‘ve got an excuse not to come to games.
I'm still of the view that if INEOS are going to keep ETH, they should say so publicly now and extend his contract for a year or two. And if they've decided to let ETH spend more time with his family that they should sack him now and bring in whoever that manager is going to be.
The worst option is waiting until Nagelsmann and whoever else is on the short list to be taken by other top clubs (Liverpool and Chelsea will be in the hunt, as will others) by June, leaving with crumbs to feast on. And when that manager is brought on in June, he will have work to do then that could have been done in April and May. Evaluating the squad, the club as a whole and so on.
The worst option is waiting until Nagelsmann and whoever else is on the short list to be taken by other top clubs (Liverpool and Chelsea will be in the hunt, as will others) by June, leaving with crumbs to feast on. And when that manager is brought on in June, he will have work to do then that could have been done in April and May. Evaluating the squad, the club as a whole and so on.
Bit of a weird logic there
I expect Leverkusen would go for Hoeneß (Stuttgart) or maybe Hürzeler (St Pauli) before moving for EtH. Those two are also young, very successful with their teams and most importantly play a similar style as Alonso does. Would be a much smoother transition than to whatever EtH does. I remember there was shortly a bit talk about EtH to Dortmund and I honestly believe IF he should get a move into the Bundesliga that's the most likely destination.
Some strange logic here. They haven't even got a DOF appointment done yet. Plenty of time to discuss / debate if Ten Hag's the guy.
We look extremely open, because he's had the biggest defensive injury crisis I can remember. I think the fact that he's never had sides conceding as many shots or being THAT open shows this season is an anomaly. It's a bit daft to assume poor coaching based on one season that's riddled with injuries whilst ignoring all the rest.
Interesting fact I remember, Arsenal had 3 of their 4 first choice defenders out for a chunk of 2005-06 season (Campbell, Lauren and Cole). They were playing Flamini, Senderos and young Eboue at the back next to Toure.
Ended up conceding no goals in CL knockout stage until final, beating Juventus, Real Madrid and Villarreal.
Maybe he’ll be the manager next season but if you look at the approach INEOS have taken with underperforming people in senior roles at the club since they took control of football operations…it’s not exactly indicative of an ownership who are willing to give people enough rope or listen to hard luck stories about why it hasn’t quite happened yet for them.
Guy has some really heavy defeats in his catalogue - at almost every club he's managed.
Extrapolating from what he did at other places is also flawed since he's already stated he's not trying to play here like he did elsewhere, so
Extrapolating from what he did at other places is also flawed since he's already stated he's not trying to play here like he did elsewhere, so
Would actually make a lot of sense, that. Although I can't see many managers that'll be standing out to Bayern (Alonso aside).
The pashun when we hit late winners against forest and wolves will be worth it though
We'll have the scrote in a waist coat, assisted by the wally with the brolly.
I'm not denying we had a bad performance in the CL and blame our manager more in that regard.
However we have had say 3 out of 4 first choice defenders out, then the back ups and in some cases the backups to the backups. Whilst also navigating injuries in other areas of the pitch, so it's not always as comparable.
You dont know the struggle though. When you play 7 defensive minded players on the pitch and you score, its the best feeling ever.The pashun when we hit late winners against forest and wolves will be worth it though
False. He's not trying to play here like he did at Ajax. Just like he didn't play at Ajax like he did at Utrecht.
"he's stated he's not trying to play here like he did elsewhere"
"false. he's not trying to play here like he did elsewhere"
"false. he's not trying to play here like he did elsewhere"
The day Frank Lampard becemos United manager is the day I will quit football and its dead to me even the world cup.
We don't look open because of the defensive injuries though, it's more because there is so much space between the lines. Carraghee summed it up by saying we play a high press and low block. That is tactical, and isn't necessarily solved by players coming back from injury
Wondering the same"he's stated he's not trying to play here like he did elsewhere"
"false. he's not trying to play here like he did elsewhere"
This. Playing high press while defending with a low block simultaneously is just goddamn stupid. How on earth ETH thinks this will work is just a head scratcher. The best analogy I can give is like when you try to take a shit while you pee standing up. I mean it could probably work once in a while but the result will always be messy shit.
We really don’t have “plenty of time”. We’ve proven over and over that dithering over what to do ends badly for us. I’m not saying this has to be decided in the next 24 hours, but if we wait until June to make this decision we will have to endure 24/25 as a lost season and whoever that manager is will be under immense pressure for the sack. The circus will continue and all we will have are the moronic merchandise deals from the club and the same old videos of how great United once were a generation ago.
This is completly backwards. If we want to play possession football, then sell Bruno and Rashford hire the right manager, do some proper scouting and let’s start trying to make it happen. Otherwise what does a new manager under an immediate spotlight do? Invest more time effort and probably new players in the current style (whatever that is) or Ole ball. Then in a few years we are still in the same mediocre place. We need to be decisive now, if possession football is the vision then commit 100% to it now and look at every player and manager through that lens.
That's your best analogy??
He will lose his job because he wasn't strong enough to stand up to the egos in the dressing room. The second a player stops working hard, you drop them. You don't continue to let them rip the pee out of you, phoning in performance like they're a 47 year old Robbie Williams at Soccer Aid after a pint and a kebab, purely out of fear of the PR reprisals.
And it isn't one player, but it sets the tone for squad. He's been big enough to make examples of players due to off field issues but seldom for on field performances.
Like reality TV stars who get guaranteed book deals when they come out of 'the house' or leave 'the island' regardless of what actual literary talent they have, if you can not give a toss on the pitch and be 99.99% sure of the fact you're never, ever losing your place in the starting line up, then why would you improve? Your attitude stinks to begin with so self pride isn't presenting itself any time soon.
He's allowed that to permeate throughout the squad and that's entirely on him. Shame as I think he could have succeeded were he to have the balls to. I cannot remember the time a poor individual display in a match was responded to by someone losing their place.
Injuries? Off field issue? Sure. But so many players have been so dreadful for so long the fact you rarely ever see players lose their place because of their consistently poor form from whistle to whistle, is a massive issue with his management for me.
And it isn't one player, but it sets the tone for squad. He's been big enough to make examples of players due to off field issues but seldom for on field performances.
Like reality TV stars who get guaranteed book deals when they come out of 'the house' or leave 'the island' regardless of what actual literary talent they have, if you can not give a toss on the pitch and be 99.99% sure of the fact you're never, ever losing your place in the starting line up, then why would you improve? Your attitude stinks to begin with so self pride isn't presenting itself any time soon.
He's allowed that to permeate throughout the squad and that's entirely on him. Shame as I think he could have succeeded were he to have the balls to. I cannot remember the time a poor individual display in a match was responded to by someone losing their place.
Injuries? Off field issue? Sure. But so many players have been so dreadful for so long the fact you rarely ever see players lose their place because of their consistently poor form from whistle to whistle, is a massive issue with his management for me.
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The best part is that he phrased it as if he’s definitely tried it at least once.
He got rid of the biggest ego on the planet in Ronaldo, took the captaincy off Maguire, got Sancho out. So not dealing with egos isn't entirely true. This summer will tell if either he or the club will deal with the rest of the egos.
Players are putting in the performance equivalent of sticking their willy on his shoulder behind his back and pouring a beer over his head to try to humiliate him and they're still the first names on the team sheet. He deals with egos, he doesn't deal with those who clearly through their attitude on the pitch, do not respect him or the club.
There is no performance standard low enough for him to remove someone from the team. Given how poor we've been, that by itself is astonishing and probably untenable. He isn't responsible for players downing tools. He is responsible for the players that have downed tools being the first name on the team sheet every week. And I don't get it. It's why we're such a fragile team, defeated when we fall behind and struggle to keep our head above water when we get in front and have habit of capitulating in the final 15 minutes of games.
Nobody cares. Walk around the pitch, but as long as you set your alarm to be up in time to attend a team meeting you're immovable from the starting line up? Sorry I can't accept that.
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