Erik ten Hag | 2022/23 & 2023/24

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If ETH gets the sack today, every player in the squad gets another 2 years by default because the new manager will trust them and the club will try to save money.

And after 2 years, we will be having the same conversation again.

16 player contracts expire in 2024* and 2025;

Varane
Maguire
Eriksen
Lindelof
Wan Bissaka
Donny
McT
Greenwood
Diallo
Kambwala
Hannibal
Martial *
Amrabat *
Evans *
Heaton *
Shoretire *

It would be very surprising if anyone but a few were given contract extensions by INEOS - so they need to be sold, and we need replacements. By 2025 Sancho, Bruno, Casemiro and Malacia will all have a year left on their contracts - so in one way or another the squad has to be changed quite extensively in the next two years.
 
Sorry you’ll be ruining your career
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Visionaries both of you
 
A decision has already been made. It's quite clear and was always quite clear. He will be sacked, but at the end of the season, similar to Van Gaal.

I think we're cautious on using the interim method due to the problems faced with Rangnick and the overreaction with Ole. I also don't think the club wants to give the players another excuse to drop their heads.

I don't think Ten Haag has lost the dressing room, which is why him staying until the end of the season is fair.

I also think we're going to see some of our biggest names leave, so it won't just be ETH on the chopping block.
He will be sacked. Serious people like Berrada and Ashworth won't tolerate this.
 
A few thoughts...

1 - If we all really think ETH is the problem, then we are saying that our roster is good enough to finish Top 4 & good enough to win the Champions League...is ETH the problem?

2 - Name 1 coach who could come in, and do better than ETH - assuming no changes from the current roster and no changes in our injury situation...who is it & what's the cost?

3 - A cup and Champions League last year - ETH "overachieved" last year, thank you ETH...

4 - I will accept: I don't like him, he's not charismatic (was Sir Alex??), etc...and if he is a terrible coach, why did we get him & pay him that much?

Go Team Go!
 
16 player contracts expire in 2024* and 2025;

Varane
Maguire
Eriksen
Lindelof
Wan Bissaka
Donny
McT
Greenwood
Diallo
Kambwala
Hannibal
Martial *
Amrabat *
Evans *
Heaton *
Shoretire *

It would be very surprising if anyone but a few were given contract extensions by INEOS - so they need to be sold, and we need replacements. By 2025 Sancho, Bruno, Casemiro and Malacia will all have a year left on their contracts - so in one way or another the squad has to be changed quite extensively in the next two years.

To retain value we should renew all those contracts for now, through 2028.
 
Prove it.
You don’t understand the context “g
A briefing means more than one journalist mate
Most disturbing thing from the United Stand is that apparently Bruno & Fernandes are untouchable from the board level and part of ETH interview was that he’d improve the team with them. I heard this said about Rashford from last season.
 
A few thoughts...

1 - If we all really think ETH is the problem, then we are saying that our roster is good enough to finish Top 4 & good enough to win the Champions League...is ETH the problem?

2 - Name 1 coach who could come in, and do better than ETH - assuming no changes from the current roster and no changes in our injury situation...who is it & what's the cost?

3 - A cup and Champions League last year - ETH "overachieved" last year, thank you ETH...

4 - I will accept: I don't like him, he's not charismatic (was Sir Alex??), etc...and if he is a terrible coach, why did we get him & pay him that much?

Go Team Go!
You’re seriously questioning whether or not SAF was charismatic?
 
PL matches 2023/4

Open play shots: United 284 (total xG 31.72 average xG per shot 0.11) Opposition 316 (total xG 35.38 average xG per shot 0.11)

Shots from corner: United 71 (total xG 5.64 average xG per shot 0.08) Opposition 91 (total xG 9.66 average xG per shot 0.11)

Set Piece shots: United 15 (total xG 2.70 average xG per shot 0.18) Opposition 23 (total xG 2.01 average xG per shot 0.09)

Direct free kick: United 13 (total xG 0.71 average xG per shot 0.05) Opposition 11 (total xG 0.69 average xG per shot 0.06)

Penalties: United 3, Opposition 3

Shots from outside the area: United 136, Opposition 156 (xG per shot typically 0.03 to 0.04)

Shots from inside the area but not inside 6 yard box: United 220 Opposition 239 (xG per shot typically 0.11 to 0.12)

Shots from inside the 6 yard box: United 30 Opposition 48 (xG per shot typically 0.36 for both teams)

(stats from Understat)

To understand what has happened this season, all you need to watch is our opening match of the season against Wolves. Although we won that match 1-0, if you repeat the same situations again and again, ultimately you end up where we are currently.
 
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I am constantly conflicted about this guy because the biggest argument against him is that his transfers have been abysmal.

But at the same time, in a well-run club he wouldn't (and shouldn't) be the person driving our transfer decisions.

So, to me, it still feels weird to sack a manager primarily because of a problem that is (hopefully) being resolved structurally.

Personally it's not just the poor transfer decisions, also the defined style of play, dire in game management and shocking home defeats to Bournemouth, Palace and Fulham. I even think Brighton looks a bad one when you see how other teams have beaten them convincingly.
 
Still believe we can get more points from the remaining games and also lift the mood around the club by getting an interim in.
 
When we sack him, it should not be seen as another free pass for the players to see if they perform under a different manager and system.

I also feel that Ten Hag may get binned if we lose to Everton at the weekend.

Player briefing also shows some are not for playing under him.

Oh yeah there definitely needs to be the start of a major squad culling in the summer,only thing is FFP will probably tie our hands on how many get sold
 
2 - Name 1 coach who could come in, and do better than ETH - assuming no changes from the current roster and no changes in our injury situation...who is it & what's the cost?
That's a long fecking list. Ole would be doing better right now.
 
While I do think any manger we hire deserves a functional structure above but our Martinez aside our signings are all either short term or just downright confusing.

Amrabat - short fix but why did we pick someone so mediocre and lacking in the required athleticism for the PL

Antony - shit

Eriksen - short term signing yet again, hasn’t got the legs

Casemiro - good for 6 months, poor since. Unsuited to possession

Mount - unlucky to be constantly injured but he wasn’t one to help the buildup and possession control that much anyway

Onana - Right “type” but has cost us repeatedly
 
Personally it's not just the poor transfer decisions, also the defined style of play, dire in game management and shocking home defeats to Bournemouth, Palace and Fulham. I even think Brighton looks a bad one when you see how other teams have beaten them convincingly.

Despite my posts here I am not completely certain EtH is the right manager for the club in the long term and you very well could be right.

However, I’m absolutely certain our players are not good enough - including the majority of our starting 11 and almost all of our second 11. In my opinion, there are only 2 of our starting 11 that I’m convinced we’d field as part of a title-challenging starting 11 - it’s that bad.

I’m tired of judging managers on the basis of the performance of a squad that is the product of a decade of poor recruitment and bad contracts.

For me, the players go first.
 
He will stay, I am certain of that. Only has to wait until Berrada/Ashworth are settled before he gets a new contract.

That's a definite dereliction of duty from INEOS because there are managers available in the summer who would relish the opportunity. I think they can finally give us a defined style of play too. Hopefully these two are thinking that's the way to go.
 
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That's a definite dereliction of duty from INEOS because there are managers available in the summer who would relish the opportunity. I think they can finally give us a defined style of play too. Hopefully these two are thinking that's the way to go.
Potter or Southgate in the summer? Place your bet! :wenger:
 
If we somehow suffer another humiliation to Liverpool, I'd sack him immediately the next day.

But no matter what, I'm 1000% convinced he should be sacked at the end of the season. Even if we win the FA Cup and somehow get 5th, he's got to go.
 
If we somehow suffer another humiliation to Liverpool, I'd sack him immediately the next day.

But no matter what, I'm 1000% convinced he should be sacked at the end of the season. Even if we win the FA Cup and somehow get 5th, he's got to go.
Ye I think INEOS will start a fresh and bring there own people in from top to bottom. They’ll want their own manager so they can gain credit if he’s successful. I hope they go for an outside candidate like they did with Berrada, someone who’s not been heavily linked. I’d put inzaghi in the top 3 for us.
 
Despite my posts here I am not completely certain EtH is the right manager for the club in the long term and you very well could be right.

However, I’m absolutely certain our players are not good enough - including the majority of our starting 11 and almost all of our second 11. In my opinion, there are only 2 of our starting 11 that I’m convinced we’d field as part of a title-challenging starting 11 - it’s that bad.

I’m tired of judging managers on the basis of the performance of a squad that is the product of a decade of poor recruitment and bad contracts.

For me, the players go first.
Then judge him on what style of play he’s trying to give us? We can’t see one. I agree the players aren’t good enough but ETH picked all of his signings, he got the GK he wanted, he got the LB he wanted, the midfielder he wanted, the RW he wanted. Every single signing we’ve made under him were his top choices. He’s partly to blame for the recruitment, if he didn’t get who he wanted we’d all be sat here moaning that he isn’t being backed. We just need a restart from top to bottom..: a new era under INEOS. Someone to come in speak with the new owners and choose a defined style of play and then like Radcliffe said that will be our style of play and we’ll pick managers to play that way rather then keep changing different styled managers.
 
Do managers usually go into the last year of their contract without clarity on their future? Off the top of my head I can't think of any examples, though I admit I have limited (no) knowledge of what happens at other clubs, and at United we've usually gotten rid/renewed managers before that happened.

ETH's contract finishes next summer so you would think that this summer would be the time to either part ways or extend him. Tough to imagine him just going into next season not knowing what will happen at the end of it.
 
I wouldn't sack ETH at this point in time.

A- I shudder at the thought of another Murtough's managerial appointment.
B- Worst case scenario the interim manager does badly and his reputation goes in the mud as Rangnick did. Best case scenario the manager wins a couple of games and he's crowned as the reincarnation of SAF just Ole did

Therefore let's have the right people in place and let's wait for the summer were we'll have a better selection of managers at our disposal first. That doesn't mean that work shouldn't be done at this point in time. For example those who are already on board should have a close look at the fitness regimen to make sure that ETH isn't running this team to the ground.
 
What's the wager it won't be Potter or Southgate pretty confident .


Southgate would be a very weird move. Ratcliffe has spoken about best in class, meritocracy and creative football. Southgate had relegated Middlesbrough, his football is dull, he clearly has his favorites, he took the England's job solely on the color of his passport and had the arse handled to him, by a very ordinary Italian national team who can't qualify to the WC, at Wembley

Potter is different though. He was considered the most promising British manager around up until he joined the Chelsea circus. He's on the same page with Ashworth thus he won't resist any changes made and Ashworth knows exactly what sort of manager Potter, his strengths and his weaknesses.

Most people we're hiring/we're linked either have a proven track record or/and had a previous working relationship (Brailsford-Ashworth, Berrada-Wilcox etc) with one another. That's because its very important for United to hit the ground running immediately. Potter goes within that line of reasoning. I doubt that the new admin would appreciate a manager who throws a hissy fit because we didn't sign a player from his whatsapp group or think his training camp is a military boot camp.
 
Southgate would be a very weird move. Ratcliffe has spoken about best in class, meritocracy and creative football. Southgate had relegated Middlesbrough, his football is dull, he clearly has his favorites, he took the England's job solely on the color of his passport and had the arse handled to him, by a very ordinary Italian national team who can't qualify to the WC, at Wembley

Potter is different though. He was considered the most promising British manager around up until he joined the Chelsea circus. He's on the same page with Ashworth thus he won't resist any changes made and Ashworth knows exactly what sort of manager Potter, his strengths and his weaknesses.

Most people we're hiring/we're linked either have a proven track record or/and had a previous working relationship (Brailsford-Ashworth, Berrada-Wilcox etc) with one another. That's because its very important for United to hit the ground running immediately. Potter goes within that line of reasoning. I doubt that the new admin would appreciate a manager who throws a hissy fit because we didn't sign a player from his whatsapp group or think his training camp is a military boot camp.

I actually have no issues with Potter to be honest but I think Ineos would go for young manager who is on the up and would attempt to clear the house of all the big earners and egos whom they don't see contributing if and when we are ready to compete at highest level in next few years .

Less said about Southgate the better .
 
I actually have no issues with Potter to be honest but I think Ineos would go for young manager who is on the up and would attempt to clear the house of all the big earners and egos whom they don't see contributing if and when we are ready to compete at highest level in next few years .

Less said about Southgate the better .
Can't think of many young managers on the up. The sporting guy is one but even he would be a big risk.
 
Can't think of many young managers on the up. The sporting guy is one but even he would be a big risk.

Motta , De Zerbi , Sebastian Hoeneß , Mckenna these are few names who could be on Ineos radar they don't have big body of work yet nor the titles but could be interesting choices .
 
The team had just won the league the previous season but it was pretty much accepted that we didn't play that well compared to our previous levels, and were largely carried by RVP's goals. Giggs himself talked about the problems that season under Moyes and he said that the two main issues were inexperience of Moyes at that level, but also an ageing squad. Ferdinand, Vidic, Evra, Giggs, Carrick, Rooney, Van Persie, Fletcher, Young and Valencia approaching the twilight years. These were the spine of the team that 'knew how to win'. They were all clearly getting to or past their best . Vidic and Rio were practically finished at that stage and Evra was struggling with the pace of the league by then. I remember people even saying at the time, perhaps tongue in cheek, that Fergie knew what he was doing when he left as he wasn't getting another season out of that squad.

But I think Giggs, at that stage, didn't even realise that the issues actually went deeper than this and the whole structure of the club and the antiquated way in which we operated (which was practically held together by Fergie and Gill) was a big part of the reason it fell apart so drastically. I don't know, maybe I am doing some of these players a disservice but at the time it felt like all of the players above were past their best and/or struggling with fitness and injuries, and, apart from maybe Evra at Juve, none ever really competed at the top level again.

Young, Valencia, Fletcher and Rooney were all 26-28 when Moyes took over.

As you say some very key players were the wrong side of 30 but its a bit of a myth that the squad in general was aging.

Ferguson didn't replace key players as in his words he wanted his successor to be able to build his own team. Moyes and Woodward dithered too much, he should have signed 4-5 players that summer.
 
He has gone on full self preservation mode over the last few weeks, “Larger picture, we are going in the right direction”, “Small Margins” etc.
This shows to be that he is really not confident of his position. Last season, he was honest, to the point of almost being brutal, even when we were winning. “Good is not good enough” has been replaced by “We defended well and are heading in the right direction”
 
1 - If we all really think ETH is the problem, then we are saying that our roster is good enough to finish Top 4 & good enough to win the Champions League...is ETH the problem?
I'm not sure how those two are connected. A squad can be good enough to finish top 4 but not good enough to win the CL.
 
I actually have no issues with Potter to be honest but I think Ineos would go for young manager who is on the up and would attempt to clear the house of all the big earners and egos whom they don't see contributing if and when we are ready to compete at highest level in next few years .

Less said about Southgate the better .

Man Utd don't score enough goals.

Solution: Hire a manager who's teams are best known for their inability to score goals.
 
He has gone on full self preservation mode over the last few weeks, “Larger picture, we are going in the right direction”, “Small Margins” etc.
This shows to be that he is really not confident of his position. Last season, he was honest, to the point of almost being brutal, even when we were winning. “Good is not good enough” has been replaced by “We defended well and are heading in the right direction”

Can just as easily be explained by him pushing a unified confident team to perform even better last season, and trying to keep morale up this season where the team is lacking confidence and things are going against them.
 
A few thoughts...

1 - If we all really think ETH is the problem, then we are saying that our roster is good enough to finish Top 4 & good enough to win the Champions League...is ETH the problem?

2 - Name 1 coach who could come in, and do better than ETH - assuming no changes from the current roster and no changes in our injury situation...who is it & what's the cost?

3 - A cup and Champions League last year - ETH "overachieved" last year, thank you ETH...

4 - I will accept: I don't like him, he's not charismatic (was Sir Alex??), etc...and if he is a terrible coach, why did we get him & pay him that much?

Go Team Go!

Are you suggesting that Erik Ten Hag is the best and most suitable coach in the world that it's possible for Manchester United to employ?
 
Motta , De Zerbi , Sebastian Hoeneß , Mckenna these are few names who could be on Ineos radar they don't have big body of work yet nor the titles but could be interesting choices .
Feels like you just stopped at young there. Up and coming should mean more pedigree than what these managers have shown. De Zerbi is actually way more open than I'd like to see at Brighton, and I can only imagine how things can go wrong here.

Ten Hag before his United stint was far far more accomplished stylistically if nothing else, and if he can come in and have this many struggles there's little to suggest the others are going to be any better.

Unless of course INEOS have made an environment for success, in which case I'd rather give Ten Hag one more season and know we will have a better market to evaluate after that if it gets sour.
 
Despite my posts here I am not completely certain EtH is the right manager for the club in the long term and you very well could be right.

However, I’m absolutely certain our players are not good enough - including the majority of our starting 11 and almost all of our second 11. In my opinion, there are only 2 of our starting 11 that I’m convinced we’d field as part of a title-challenging starting 11 - it’s that bad.

I’m tired of judging managers on the basis of the performance of a squad that is the product of a decade of poor recruitment and bad contracts.

For me, the players go first.
But we also have been here before. The back 4 on Sunday, far from ideal, had nearly 200 caps between them, with one of the most expensive goalkeepers in world behind them. Same is true for midfield. These are not rank amateurs. And ETH has signed a number of these players, with several on the bench. So we are back to ETH needing a squad of 20 player that are all his? Then what? Same insane posts, noone gets that or should need that,
 
Man Utd don't score enough goals.

Solution: Hire a manager who's teams are best known for their inability to score goals.
That's a fair point but hopefully we won't look clue less in all areas of the pitch as we do now just bit incompetent in final third .

And as I said he isn't my first choice but won't write him off if we do appoint him either .
 
A few thoughts...

1 - If we all really think ETH is the problem, then we are saying that our roster is good enough to finish Top 4 & good enough to win the Champions League...is ETH the problem?

2 - Name 1 coach who could come in, and do better than ETH - assuming no changes from the current roster and no changes in our injury situation...who is it & what's the cost?

3 - A cup and Champions League last year - ETH "overachieved" last year, thank you ETH...

4 - I will accept: I don't like him, he's not charismatic (was Sir Alex??), etc...and if he is a terrible coach, why did we get him & pay him that much?

Go Team Go!
Dont like to patronise but how old are you? YOu saying that ETH is not a problem? YOu realise there can be and indeed are more than one problem. ETH is utterly lost, his signings are woeful, and he has no idea how to set up a team. Point 4, really? Why did we pay £82m for Antony, or £60m for Mount? The list goes on. Our senior management are crap. we know that and they are being replaced.
 
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