Erik ten Hag | 2022/23 & 2023/24

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[croadyman]

Either he or Luis Enrique for me

The aura Zidane would bring to commence our next chapter would be beautiful. What a face for the new era. Zidane’s Manchester United. Yes sir

Rubbish source of course but let’s see what happens over the coming months

Definitely ticks the aura and immediately command respect from the players box,however like others have said we haven't seen proof he can build a team. There is also the fact he speaks little English too. Then of course those reports of him not interested in managing here.

I think it's a real shame within a week he went from winning a trophy to getting annihilated at Anfield. Would be more supportive of him if he thought damage limitation that day, sadly that never happened and it got out of hand. He then compounded things further by saying we would never see the Ajax style.

 

[bringbackbebe]

We will be making a big mistake if we sack him this season for a short term solution. Yes, we've had a blip and could finish outside of top 5 but we are heading in a decent long term direction, finally. From the squad he inherited to now, there is a bucket load of difference and the culture is vastly different. Arteta finished 8th, 8th and 5th in his first three seasons just for reminder.

 

[croadyman]

We will be making a big mistake if we sack him this season for a short term solution. Yes, we've had a blip and could finish outside of top 5 but we are heading in a decent long term direction, finally. From the squad he inherited to now, there is a bucket load of difference and the culture is vastly different. Arteta finished 8th, 8th and 5th in his first three seasons just for reminder.

I am certain that IF they pulled the trigger on him then it wouldn't be for a short term solution. They will be talking to candidates in the background with a view to appointing in the summer.

 

[amolbhatia50k]

We will be making a big mistake if we sack him this season for a short term solution. Yes, we've had a blip and could finish outside of top 5 but we are heading in a decent long term direction, finally. From the squad he inherited to now, there is a bucket load of difference and the culture is vastly different. Arteta finished 8th, 8th and 5th in his first three seasons just for reminder.

I get the Arteta reasoning but Arsenal’s improvement is one of the most bemusing I’ve ever seen. For every case like his there are 500 that don’t click and suddenly start moving up the gears. I’ve mostly been supportive of ETH but he also needs to show that he can get us to play a cohesive style of football before we put more faith in him. Hate to say it but Ineos should be on the lookout now and unless we see a proper ETH team worth believing in start to appear before the end of the season, he should be replaced.

As we demand standards from players, so we should from the manager.

 

[ayushreddevil9]

I dont want the players to win. Keep him, sell the trash overpaid players.

 

[justboy68]

He's resorting to gaslighting now then? Fecking tiresome bloke. I honestly have never found him that likeable. This is a guy that was pushing for you know who to return as well as having no qualms with playing Promes or wanting Arnautovic.

 

[Judas]

I dont want the players to win. Keep him, sell the trash overpaid players.

Neither deserve to be backed. We need wholesale changes all over.

No idea how anyone can call this season a blip. In truth the blip was the small period where we looked reasonably good. We’ve looked crap to average for the majority of his time here.,

 

[Licha-Vidic]

Probably, something has been agreed between them

 

[croadyman]

Probably, something has been agreed between them

Think maybe they need to give him an ultimatum

 

[Abhinav]

I want him gone as much as anyone but its a little hard to watch how the press are turning on him. They are relentless like vultures and other managers would have lost their cool with them.

 

[Insanity]

Think maybe they need to give him an ultimatum

I think he knows the writing is on the wall. Hardly see a team go with a manager in the last year of their contract without an extension in the works.

 

[Sarni]

We will be making a big mistake if we sack him this season for a short term solution. Yes, we've had a blip and could finish outside of top 5 but we are heading in a decent long term direction, finally. From the squad he inherited to now, there is a bucket load of difference and the culture is vastly different. Arteta finished 8th, 8th and 5th in his first three seasons just for reminder.

I wonder how people convince themselves that we are headed in the right direction. We are the worst we’ve been since Fergie left and in terms of squad we have two additions since he came that you can be confident are going to be a part of our squad going forward in Martinez and Hojlund (I would hardly call it a bucket load of difference, if anything the improvement is very marginal for the amount of money spent on his players).

 

[crossy1686]

I want him gone as much as anyone but its a little hard to watch how the press are turning on him. They are relentless like vultures and other managers would have lost their cool with them.

He's bringing it on himself by gaslighting everyone. He's been getting justified criticism and now he's lashing out at people so they're naturally going to ask more difficult questions.

 

[crossy1686]

We will be making a big mistake if we sack him this season for a short term solution. Yes, we've had a blip and could finish outside of top 5 but we are heading in a decent long term direction, finally. From the squad he inherited to now, there is a bucket load of difference and the culture is vastly different. Arteta finished 8th, 8th and 5th in his first three seasons just for reminder.

Shit, now we're aspiring to have a manager like Arteta who's won nothing but an FA cup in 5 years and regularly bottles under any run in pressure.

The song goes "glory, glory Man United", emphasis on the glory part.

 

[Freak]

I wonder how people convince themselves that we are headed in the right direction. We are the worst we’ve been since Fergie left and in terms of squad we have two additions since he came that you can be confident are going to be a part of our squad going forward in Martinez and Hojlund (I would hardly call it a bucket load of difference, if anything the improvement is very marginal for the amount of money spent on his players).

Exactly. If we could see progress on the pitch I’m sure people will give him more time. But we’ve been shit since since last season and have not improved whatsoever. First we all thought it was the injuries but now that players have been back we are still shit! I mean how can your team get dominated in possession by Luton ffs. Our games are literally ping pong games.

 

[Sarni]

I get the Arteta reasoning but Arsenal’s improvement is one of the most bemusing I’ve ever seen. For every case like his there are 500 that don’t click and suddenly start moving up the gears. I’ve mostly been supportive of ETH but he also needs to show that he can get us to play a cohesive style of football before we put more faith in him. Hate to say it but Ineos should be on the lookout now and unless we see a proper ETH team worth believing in start to appear before the end of the season, he should be replaced.

As we demand standards from players, so we should from the manager.

Arteta is the only man we can resort to if we are trying to delude ourselves into thinking keeping a manager long term will bring results. I personally think Arteta had a few mitigating factors which helped him keep his job: his age (he was just 37 when he joined) meant it was natural for him to have some learning curve and Arsenal had not finished in top 4 for the previous 3 seasons. It’s very rare for top clubs to keep underachieving managers and see them succeed.

 

[amolbhatia50k]

Arteta is the only man we can resort to if we are trying to delude ourselves into thinking keeping a manager long term will bring results. I personally think Arteta had a few mitigating factors which helped him keep his job: his age (he was just 37 when he joined) meant it was natural for him to have some learning curve and Arsenal had not finished in top 4 for the previous 3 seasons. It’s very rare for top clubs to keep underachieving managers and see them succeed.

To be fair he also had a structure behind him doing a good job rather than just manager decides. But yeah, I’m very wary of using anomalies as a yardstick as to what we should do. For other successful managers there’s usually a clear trajectory - at least after one year. And that’s what we should follow really.

 

[VP89]

Arteta is not a good comparison. Those Arsenal teams were not good. And they intentionally were doing a rebuild.

Our team was shite too.

 

[Trophy Room]

That interview was the beginning of the end sadly.

 

[Sarni]

Our team was shite too.

Still considerably more competitive. That team finished 6th the season before ETH but 2nd and 3rd the two seasons prior (with largely same squad plus injured Pogba). Arsenal were out of top 4 the three seasons prior to Arteta joining.

 

[KiD MoYeS]

Even Mitten, who was a Ten Hag supporter, is now reporting his job is very much under review.

 

[VP89]

Still considerably more competitive. That team finished 6th the season before ETH but 2nd and 3rd the two seasons prior (with largely same squad plus injured Pogba). Arsenal were out of top 4 the three seasons prior to Arteta joining.

It was a poor squad. There were probably double digit squad players which had left in that period before Ten Hag came. Also, Arteta may not have had a great squad either but certainly better than to finish 8th back to back.

 

[Lay]

Even Mitten, who was a Ten Hag supporter, is now reporting his job is very much under review.

Good. The standards are in the gutter, the football is nonsensical and everyone knows they can beat United.

ETH doesn't play with a midfield for fecks sake.

 

[crossy1686]

I dont want the players to win. Keep him, sell the trash overpaid players.

"win"? Are you implying that they don't want to be successful and would rather lose every game and take home a payslip instead? In your opinion are they actively trying to stop good managers from guiding them to winning trophies?

 

[Sarni]

It was a poor squad. There were probably double digit squad players which had left in that period before Ten Hag came. Also, Arteta may not have had a great squad either but certainly better than to finish 8th back to back.

Not really. From 2020-21 squad that finished 2nd we lost Pogba (started 21 games that season), Cavani (13), Matic (12), Mata (6) and James (11). Hardly double digits and mostly players that started less than a third of our games. All the players that started 25+ games in 2020-21, so the core of the team, were still there: De Gea, Shaw, Lindelof, Maguire, Wan Bissaka, McTominay, Fred, Bruno and Rashford.

 

[Sylar]

The parallels with LVG is quite something. I get more of those vibes than I hoped. Especially seeing how our football this season has been, compared to what we got at times last season.

One thing is though, when new owners / higher ups come to any team, the current manager hardly survives more than a year. I cant think of any at the top of my head (maybe there is one or two examples). But its almost always that a new man is put in place right?

I think ETH needs to deliver between now and the end of the season, but not just fluky results, but he needs some sort of playing style where he can say, its there, but im just missing elements here and there to take it to the next level. Right now we dont get or see that. It seems to change every week. We had a glimmer of it maybe when we had martinez, shaw and hoijlund fit (but even then, you could argue we are missing 4 or 5 players in the first team which is mad)

 

[Toshey]

I hope I'm wrong, but this week is the end of Erik.
We are likely to get thrown out of FA cup and City are likely to trash us badly.

Let's hope INEOS really rebuild the squad for the next manager. First ones to go need to be Rashford and Bruno. We'll never be champions with those two being the core starters in this team.

 

[Telsim]

Had a dream last night. "The club and Erik ten Hag have mutually agreed to part ways", or something like that. I was pleased in my dream.

 

[VP89]

Not really. From 2020-21 squad that finished 2nd we lost Pogba (started 21 games that season), Cavani (13), Matic (12), Mata (6) and James (11). Hardly double digits and mostly players that started less than a third of our games. All the players that started 25+ games in 2020-21, so the core of the team, were still there: De Gea, Shaw, Lindelof, Maguire, Wan Bissaka, McTominay, Fred, Bruno and Rashford.

Almost none of which suit a progressive style of play, bar Shaw, Bruno and Rashford. Interestingly Shaw has been MIA this entire season so probably not fair to count him as part of an available player right now. Unless you think Ten Hag getting 3rd and a cup last year was bad too.

Anyway, you're acting like Arteta had nothing in his squad, which is not true. He had a decent squad to work with, at least on par with the likes of Lindelof, Maguire, Wan Bissaka & co.

 

[TsuWave]

"win"? Are you implying that they don't want to be successful and would rather lose every game and take home a payslip instead? In your opinion are they actively trying to stop good managers from guiding them to winning trophies?

The whole “I don’t want the players to win” thing doesn’t even make sense.

It’s not as if the players are throwing. They strung 5 wins together, they also scored last gasp winners here and there. They are clearly trying and this is largely the current manager’s squad.

 

[Toshey]

Almost none of which suit a progressive style of play, bar Shaw, Bruno and Rashford. Interestingly Shaw has been MIA this entire season so probably not fair to count him as part of an available player right now. Unless you think Ten Hag getting 3rd and a cup last year was bad

Bruno and Rashford do not suit progressive football at all.
Bruno is allergic to the ball and keeps kicking it forward. Rashford is kick and run footballer.

Both player's time here is overdue if we aspire to compete for the title.
Bruno is nowhere near KDB quality no matter what stats say. Rashford is a liability, when he doesn't get his goal he is mostly useless to the team - toxic attitude, laziness, hopeless 1vs1.

 

[VP89]

Bruno and Rashford do not suit progressive football at all.
Bruno is allergic to the ball and keeps kicking it forward. Rashford is kick and run footballer.

Both player's time here is overdue if we aspire to compete for the title.
Bruno is nowhere near KDB quality no matter what stats say. Rashford is a liability, when he doesn't get his goal he is mostly useless to the team - toxic attitude, laziness, hopeless 1vs1.

They suit an attacking style at least and have proven quality in the attacking third, as inconsistent as it may be.
My point is, this idea that Arteta only had a squad worthy of back to back 8th place is absolute stone cold bollocks. So if we can compare Ten Hag to AVB as some sort of failure, we should also compare to Arteta as an example of where it works. Of course the same posters don't like that because they want to call Arteta a "one off".

 

[Godfather]

They suit an attacking style at least and have proven quality in the attacking third, as inconsistent as it may be.

They don't. I'd argue they are actually one of our players least compatible with attacking football. They are only really useful for counter attacking football. Sit deep and wait for a break. That's where Bruno excels and Rashford too. I wouldn't call that attacking football though.

 

[VP89]

They don't. I'd argue they are actually one of our players least compatible with attacking football. They are only really useful for counter attacking football. Sit deep and wait for a break. That's where Bruno excels and Rashford too. I wouldn't call that attacking football though.

Alright, whatever I really don't care. It's besides the point I made.

 

[Abhinav]

He's bringing it on himself by gaslighting everyone. He's been getting justified criticism and now he's lashing out at people so they're naturally going to ask more difficult questions.

Which quotes are you referring to? I think only quotes where he can be accused of gaslighting is the post match PC where he said we are on a good trajectory & could have won the game and the quotes regarding Mainoo, Garnacho.

Those are understandable under the extreme scrutiny he is being placed under. All the press conferences are about his future and whether he will get sacked. A bit tiring if you have to defend yourself & your decisions again & again. The journos are trying to rile him up & trip him - clear to see from where I am sitting. His discomfort in communicating in english lets him down in these situations. The press officer should be doing a better job to protect him.

 

[AngeloHenriquez]

That embargoed section of the presser really shows them going for Ten Hag in a way I've not seen them come for another manager, odd the absolute hate he seems to get in the press

 

[TsuWave]

Guy has gotten a relatively easy ride by the press. This “the press hates him” narrative is what’s odd.

 

[VP89]

That embargoed section of the presser really shows them going for Ten Hag in a way I've not seen them come for another manager, odd the absolute hate he seems to get in the press

They've been at that all season. Talk of the Devils had Mitten and Anka going at him early doors, which they never really did under Ole. This is why I don't listen to it much, they let their own bias get in the way of objective discussions.

 

[VP89]

Guy has gotten a relatively easy ride by the press. This “the press hates him” narrative is what’s odd.

Yeah it's clear you haven't watched his pressers.