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Erik ten Hag | 2022/23 & 2023/24
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He has 4-6 weeks to improve performances , he’ll have week long breaks to work on tactics and get players back, if we don’t turn things around in the period and I mean playing free flowing attacking football pinning lower league sides back and giving the bigger teams something to really think about he will be gone swiftly.
SJR is 70+ he’s not exactly got decades left to see us succeed.
If he’s to be sacked we should be quick about it too, none of this “he’s got three more games and he has to win one of them” it’s next game, no improvement he’s out. Same of the next sorry sod.
Players on inflated contracts out the door please , Varane, Casemiro etc.
SJR is 70+ he’s not exactly got decades left to see us succeed.
If he’s to be sacked we should be quick about it too, none of this “he’s got three more games and he has to win one of them” it’s next game, no improvement he’s out. Same of the next sorry sod.
Players on inflated contracts out the door please , Varane, Casemiro etc.
Think if they are dealt the same cards and injuries and strucure, we wouldn't be much far off the current state.
There absolutely is intense pressure on EtH. Every game we lose is more pressure. It will keep building until there is no option but to sack him. If he was winning games now, there would be less pressure, surely.
Even if we start winning games when more of the squad is fit, the terrible points haul thus far will make it hard to get top 4 and will make games in the run in extremely high stakes. The idea that he is not under pressure is ludicrous.
lets be honest and It pains me to say it but the position we are in is probably our squad level. The squad is simply not good enough. I would say only Shaw and Martinez would get in most other top 4 sides. An argument for Fernandes as well but he is to erratic with this squad. Garnancho and Mainoo should be players we bring on once 2/3-0 up and start home games against lesser sides not players we are banking on to make an impact every game.
Should ETH take some of the blame… absolutely. Line-ups and in particular midfield… substitutes have been strange. Our attacking play is nonexistent. Some of the signings in the summer made no sense to me and still don’t.
The other side is that I do believe we have been incredibly unlucky with referees, VAR and injuries. Take over talk obviously also not helping, uncertainty is not good no matter what industry you are working in. Let’s hope the latter will now be settled and ETH can pull some kind rabbit of the hat.
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People keep talking about performance being the determining factor for his leaving but in my opinion, it's much more likely (provided he finishes the season) that he leaves by mutual consent.
He has certain things stipulated in his contract which will probably conflict with what INEOS wants to do with the club going forward. I think they will shake hands at the end of the season and part ways if Erik refuses to relinquish his powers.
He has certain things stipulated in his contract which will probably conflict with what INEOS wants to do with the club going forward. I think they will shake hands at the end of the season and part ways if Erik refuses to relinquish his powers.
Eriksen might well have aged past those influential performances. When he came back, he was poor and that has continued until he got injured again.
Mutual consent with a pay off as if he has been sacked, surely!
Merry Xmas, btw.
I’d be very surprised if he makes it past January, let alone have a say in how he leaves.
I hope you don't mind me asking mate, but what makes someone a fan of any of our post SAF managers? Obviously when SAF was here I was a fan of his, but how do you become a fan of a manager when they've served up only mediocre results and performances? I don't think I've been a 'fan' of any of our managers post SAF, as I generally don't care what a manager has done before, in the context of what they do at United. I loved Ole the player, Jose in his Chelsea/Inter/Real days, ETH at Ajax, didn't care much for LVG or Moyes pre United, but none of them did anything here as managers that made me feel particularly fond of them.
Only possible to say in hindsight. He was a promising manager, someone worth giving a chance to. It turns out the job is too big for him and that's fine. Again, average PL manager tenure is only 2 years. We're not going to find THE manager without sacking managers. How long it took Liverpool to find Klopp. What if Villa had stuck with Gerrard, etc etc.
I don’t buy this idea that the job is too big for him. It’s a lazy interpretation of what’s happening.
Just because a guy isn’t succeeding it doesn’t mean the job is too big. Was the Spurs job too big for Jose?
As far as we know from what people who work with EtH have said, he looks at every detail of a club. He was at a big club before. He has a strategic overview and knows how every decision feeds into it. He is not some guy who just tells the players to go out and enjoy themselves.
He makes loads of mistakes on a day-to-day level - I assume he’s making mistakes because we are losing. His overall plan might even be wrong. Nevertheless, he has a plan and there’s nothing about the size of the club or the “job” that’s getting in his way.
We have no idea if other managers would be getting better results with this squad and the available players but most people don’t dispute that. However it’s probably also the case that most managers won’t have EtH’s all-encompassing hyper detailed approach, in the context of a long term plan. Most managers will take the view that if they can keep picking up points they won’t be sacked and won’t care too much about what will happen in two years time. I’m realising that most fans feel the same.
I think the only main difference would be Rashford, there seems to be a problem between him and ETH (not ETH’s fault most likely). I don’t like it but if we don’t have a happy Rashford we don’t score goals, we’ve created a bit of a monster with him.
Yeah agree.
Whatever the size of the job a manager has to get certain thjngs right. If he doesn't the team won't function. Nothing to do with the size of the club really.
So pitiful how far Utd have fallen, not sure if Utd fans truly fathom what is happening before their eyes... I see alot of delusion and clinging with dear life onto the past and this showing signs of what Arsenal and Liverpool fans have had to endure for 20 and 30 years respectively... I feel for you guys but hooefull for your sake we talking 15 maybe 20 years and not the 30 years plus which will truly break you. Goodluck.
So is "he looks at every detail of a club". This "long term plan" could be nothing but fan fiction for all we know at this point because there's nothing to suggest he actually knows what he's doing. Him being at Ajax before is not even remotely the same as being at a club of the size of Manchester United and the pressure that naturally comes with it. You're trying to suggest we're being impatient as he's making decisions that will make long term benefits for the club and yet his own team selection and approach to games says otherwise.
He just isn't good enough, it's only a matter of how long it will take for some of you to admit that to yourselves.
But what's the size of the club got to do with playing two No.10's or signing players that aren't good enough or not what we need? Why would he do those things differently at a smaller club?
These are just basic things that a manager at any club has to get right.
At Ajax he probably could and get away with it. Not that he had as much input on transfers as he does here. Which is yet another thing. He was never in a situation to buy 400m worth of players before. Managing a club of this size is a completely different thing. What's there to say he isn't just De Boer 2.0.
You can get away with it if you're the biggest club in a weaker league.
But let's say he was manager of Luton. Why would creating an unbalanced team, not playing to your players strengths, signing players who aren't good enough, why would that work there?
The size of the job isn't the issue. The basics of team and club management are the same everywhere and if you don't do them right you'll fail.
As soon as 4th is a mathematical impossibility then he's gone - that seems to be the line in the sand!
At the rate he's going it's gonna be sooner rather than later too.......
Has this ever actually been the case? Ole and Jose were sacked well before that point, LvG was sacked after the FA Cup win. Maybe with Moyes? That's literally it.
I doubt it, both Jose and Ole survived as long as they could dress up mediocre to good performances as some kind of process with title aspirations at the end of the road. When they eventually got the sack, they were both failing to "follow the schedule" by turning said process into something tangible (which most people could see a year into their respective reigns, but this is United we're talking about). When their (interim) replacements were found, they were shown the door. LvG's case is closer to ETH because it was clear early in his second season that the transfers were bad, the football was awful and that we had actually taken a step backward. IMHO, the only way he lasted until the end of the season was because Woodward had set eyes on Mourinho, who wouldn't come earlier than that to OT. I think it's a similar situation now. If Ratcliffe really has a thing for Potter, he may sack ETH on the spot. If it's Ancelotti or someone else, ETH may last the season unless a capable and willing interim becomes available.
It has been said many times by people who work(ed) with him that he is long term focussed and goes into extreme detail. It’s not fan fiction. It might be fiction but it comes from people who claim to know him.
If SJR really has a thing for Potter, we’re better off sticking with the Glazers.
Zidane stated many times that he doesn't fancy the PL. He doesn't even speak English, and even then, he'll never set a pinkie in this manager graveyard.
On topic, EtH will go down as your worst manager since SAF retired. Moyes was never up to it and a result of SAF's nepotism, LvG and Mourinho were past their best and Ole was, well, a PE teacher. Ten Hag though has to be one of the biggest disappointments ever seen in PL history. He looks like a right snake-oil salesman and the true follically challenged fraud. No matter the injuries, your squad is miles better than what they're producing right now.
From an outsider point of view it's absolutely fascinating to see so many fans still backing him to the the hilt, despite him failing in every single managerial task.
On that last point, I think it's a case of denial similar to what we saw with our other managers towards the end of their tenures. Once he actually gets the sack, I reckon 90%+ of fans will decide he was actually shit and deserved to be sacked all along.
Perfect. The last thing they want to add is a manager search amidst all ongoing issues. They will sort the hierarchy first, review the squad and performance before making any call on manager.
Season is a write off anyway.
Someone sees sense finally, thank you!
This is a bit superficial isn’t it?
Season isn't a write off. A competent manager could take this squad and finish top 5. Ten Hag will take it and finish 12th.
More bargain basement thinking.
More bargain basement thinking.
Again, the point is not to finish 5th this season but to finish 1st within 3-4 seasons. In any case, I don’t see why we can’t put some sort of run together and climb a few places by the end of the season.
I can't see why we wont finish the season on -20 goal difference.
Ha, it doesn’t look impossible, I’ll give you that. It’s bloody dire at the moment, no two ways about it.
Another unbeaten record for Erik to destroy tomorrow
I dont know why is it so hard to understand.
Who is this competent manager ? Who will decide it? Murtough ? Or the yet to be formed INEOS team ? Would it be a permanent appointment or temporary? What makes you think we won't have the same issues as of Ralf where coaches didn't want to join for 6 months ?
This is just a start. Figure out the other complications like type of managers, transfers , style , budget, sales etc. by yourselves.
It's not rocket science.
If he plays McTominay again tomorrow, my last bit of sympathy for him might be gone.
Exactly you get the structure in place first not the manager. The club needs to decide what they are going to be and how they will do it first.
Ole came in as what was supposed to be interim and turned the form book on its head. And he wasnt even competent.
The trick there was to recognise it was just a result of a change of manager and vibes, and then focus on appointing proper people in the summer.
We have 2 fecking games in the whole of January. We could have a new DoF and interim manager sorted out by February with minimal disruption.
Much of this seems like rocket science to many. SaCk EtH He'S uSeLeSs We WaNt ZiDaNe AnD wE dOnT lIkE bReXiT jIm Or ThAt CyClIsT wHaT dO tHeY kNoW.
I'm fecking sick of a lot of our "supporters" at the moment.
"Supporters" in quotes
I see we're right back to the "anyone who doesn't support ETH isn't a real fan" rhetoric.
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