Please get rid of these toxic players. No manager can succeed with this bunch
Erik ten Hag | 2022/23 & 2023/24
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Who? Name them.
We will never get it right until these fecking jokers rule the club this way. Absolute travesty, these players are cancer to the club. A mass clear out is needed. Identify the leakers and get rid.
This again.
Arteta had a focused board and Edu picking the transfers. He didn't ask for more transfer power at the expense of the structure above him (like ETH did with Rangnick). He also didn't change the target of what he was building towards. Whereas ETH was hired becuase of the style of football at Ajax only for him to to decide he's not going to play like that here, that he'll cede midfield control over to the opposition and hoof the ball to McTominay and Hojlund instead.
No one has a problem with ETH moving certain players on, we backed him over Ronaldo and Sancho. But considering the horrible football that we play, the fact that his own signings are not performing at all and his own words about how he sees things and the future... I don't really see how you think he's the man to build the better future. A better future isn't build only by tearing down the wrong things of the past, but also by building up better. I have seen 0 signs from him that he's capable of building up better.
Nah just gives them longer to assess and cheaper to get rid.
Did the players at his former clubs moan it was too hard in training!? Our players are so weak mentally! Guess what, work is hard for most people in life and you’re compensated for it beyond belief.
Writing appears to be on the wall unless Ratcliffe turns up on day one and tells the player in no uncertain terms that they will be sold before ETH is sacked.
Writing appears to be on the wall unless Ratcliffe turns up on day one and tells the player in no uncertain terms that they will be sold before ETH is sacked.
feck it get Big Sam in with the authority to launch anyone out he sees fit.
Keano as No2 just to reinforce it
Keano as No2 just to reinforce it
After all this bollox and our poor performances, it would be hard to see them bothering with him until May tbh.
Ha!
It'll be hilarious if the people identified are signings during ETH's reign or people who have won more than ETH could dream of. Or both. I hope it's Casemiro.
In what way is it cheaper? We would just be paying him for the next 6 months instead of giving him that 6 months in a severance package. Works out the exact same.
I don't see why they would persist with a manager that is under pressure within the club unless they plan on backing him. Just my thoughts.
I take everything with a massive pinch of salt on here too. But yeah, I just wanted to gauge the consensus over there. Most seemed fairly genuine, but I obviously can only go on what I read.
The players moaned about training till it gets dark in the winter (which was what, 5pm?) under Rangnick. They also questioned his training.
I am quite sure we had briefs where they questioned Ole's training. And there were many leaks about them questioning Jose.
When we evaluate Ten Hag who has an established progressive style of play suddenly turned shite at our club, we really need to address the players. Literally all of them, especially the ones that have been around under previous managers.
I am quite sure we had briefs where they questioned Ole's training. And there were many leaks about them questioning Jose.
When we evaluate Ten Hag who has an established progressive style of play suddenly turned shite at our club, we really need to address the players. Literally all of them, especially the ones that have been around under previous managers.
How tf am I supposed to know? But the ones working within the club definitely have an idea about whats happening inside the locker room. So its their job to bin the toxic fecks who complain about every other manager.
How can someone not recognize similar patterns since Jose? How many managers will they undermine? These feckers play good for one season, win the trust of the manager and then fall back on their arses. We can deal with ETH later but the locker room needs cleansing.
Are we supposed to believe every leak we read that absolves players who've been poor under multiple managers now? There's a distinct pattern here.
These are fair complaints
These aren’t the same players though
Our players want to be touched and felt. I give up on this club. If we don’t put a stop to it, we will never recover as a club.
And you disagree because?
Paying two managers rather than one over the same period. Possible clauses to get out when we don't make top 4. Also our FFP situation isn't good for this season.
If he survives until February he'll get the season is my guess.
Read it again. Slowly.
Which managers have Antony, Malacia, Martinez, Casemiro, Varane, Mount, Hojlund and Onana been poor under previously?
Half of the squad is still from Jose's time and more last year.
Shaw, Lindelof, Rashy, Martial, McTominay.
Its funny because we used to hear leaks about the manager not providing specific details about the game like Pep or Conte used to do when we were under Jose or Ole but when we have a guy who has rigid tactics, these give up again.
Yeah but come on mate; these are new minority owners looking to make a good impression. Would seem odd to me to give him until May, given he's under fire on-and-off the pitch, just to save literal pennies. As I said, these are my thoughts.
I also imagine if we do indeed go ahead with a new CEO, we would have some indication where his future lies before May, if he does stay on.
We absolutely do.
I can’t believe people don’t realise it. Bite the billet and bin these cnuts.
Shaw and Martial go all the way back to LVG ffs.
One of the reasons why our squad is a fecking mess is because we have a random collection of players from across multiple managerial eras. You also missed Dalot off your list.
I read it fine the first time, the training sessions aren’t good if the entire squad are unhappy and he regularly marginalises people to assert his authority.
That's called anecdotal evidence. Rashford's attitude stinks, though, I'll give you that.
You've got a real hard on for these players. They can do no wrong in your eyes.
How do you know they’re the toxic bunch? Why would managers keep selecting them if they were as bad as you say? By all accounts every manager that’s managed them has praised them multiple times.
I want a lot of them replacing, but ‘these players’ aren’t the same players so if you’re going to go on rants about them being toxic and whatnot at least be accurate.
Players he marginalized
Ronaldo - Who started throwing tantrums when he saw the team doing better/no worse without him.
Sancho - Not punctual, doesn't work hard on the pitch and calls out the manager on social media. He still had a path back if he apologized but he wouldn't.
Varane - Injured most of the time, questioned the manager for dropping him.
If you think these are invalid reasons then there's nothing to argue.
That would be true for most teams, no?
It's a thought-terminating cliche to absolve the manager of any and all failures. Even though by definition, managing the players is his job.
The “many of the players are new” is not a great argument.
Mang people don’t know how organisational culture works. It’s infectious, either good or bad. New players/members of a team imbibe it.
Mang people don’t know how organisational culture works. It’s infectious, either good or bad. New players/members of a team imbibe it.
Four of those are injured and have been for quite a lot of the season. Antony missed quite a bit for legal/Personal reasons. Onana has had a few brainfarts in Europe but has been fine in the PL and Hojlund is a young striker coming to a tough league who was always going to struggle a bit.
Are you taking the piss?
Because they inherit the culture that has been flowing through the club ever since Fergie retired. Even Matic came out with something on how unprofessional the culture is.
This is the common denominator.
Eh, he's got a point, though. These are not the same players. And your manner of arguing stinks, btw.
Would it? It certainly seems that at most successful clubs, the man in charge has signed a large portion of the players to suit his style. Be weird that players Jose and Ole signed would fit with what someone like ETH wants to do. But, then again, most clubs have an actual sporting side of the club doing those things so managers don't have to.
If it's the case at some clubs, I'm sure those players had some sort of discernable success under other managers, unlike our random bunch of individuals. Our managers have all bought poorly, spending over a billion quid in a decade, to leave us with the mess of a squad we have today.
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