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Erik ten Hag | 2022/23 & 2023/24
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I mean, we are basically agreeing we are a mess, aren't we?
I think you are totally missing the point. Training too hard means that you will go into games with heavy feet. It's not about being lazy.
We are, it in this thread regarding ETH, he is now contributing hugely to this mess with his baffling decisions. At a well run club, he is very high on the list to be one of the first out of the door too, since he had gone against what is expected of him: playing principles.
We’ve had a culture reset, we’ve moved on:
Lingard, Bailly, Pogba, Telles, Henderson, Grant, De Gea, Tuanzebe, Williams, Ronaldo, Elanga, Fred, Greenwood, Jones, Pereria, Garner, Chong, Mata, Matic, Cavani.
Who else needs moving on that’s upsetting the culture? These are new players in the last 18 months. How can they all need moving on already? Or are we just exclusively talking about the players we don’t like now?
The actual definition of insanity, is illness of such a severe nature that a person cannot distinguish fantasy from reality.
You know like the fantasy that we don't change the players, from the reality that we change players with every transfers window and the fact that over a 4 year span almost the whole squad is changed. That is insanity.
Which also leads to a higher occurrence of non-contact injuries. Coincidentally, the exact kind our whole squad has been suffering from all season!
Attractive, attacking football. Well he’s absolutely fecking failed with that.
The 'leaks' are as predictable as anything. I could have wrote the stories yesterday with no inside knowledge, we've seen it all before. I wouldn't believe everything but it's obvious on the pitch that all is not well.
Until we replace the spine of the overpaid dross of a squad we have with players in/coming into their prime it will be the same old story.
Until we replace the spine of the overpaid dross of a squad we have with players in/coming into their prime it will be the same old story.
Probably where we are differing is that I don't think he is contributing hugely. He is not blameless. But I think any manager fails at the moment.
Bang on and there in lies one of the major problems for several years. Whether its the ownership and/or contracts these players are on....a few managers have failed to move on all the players they wanted to. And still there are players in the squad who dont seem to have a great attitde or winning mentality, a few of them have been here under several managers as well now.
And what happens....the dressing room down tools on the manager, the manager get scked and in comes a new manager.
I am not sure or saying any of the managers have actally been the answer, majority never were for me before they started actually....but no manager can turn this club into a sccess nless they are allowed and have the balls to do what Ragnick suggested, open heart surgery, move on a lot of this squad and that incldes big names and buy a lot of players and the right ones as lets be honest, no manager has actally bought well so far.
As you state most fans wanted Ronaldo to go (I was 50/50), DeGea to go (reluctantly I did), Maguiure to go (I still do) and Sancho to be banished (I still do)....yet now this is changing to the manager.
I cold count on one hand the players I believe in at this club to take us forward and that has been the case the maority of seasons since Ferguson retired.....so regardless of my thoughts on the managers we have had since, it is the players need moving on before the manager and bar two managers, that has been the case since Fergson retired too
Alvaro won the Denzil Haroun Reserve Player of the Year in 2022 and was then sent out on loan to Preston for a year with Erik telling him that he wanted him to get a more expiriance before joing the first team, after his year at Preston where he won the Young Player of the Year award he reurned to Man Utd and played alright during his appearances in pre-season trying to earn a place in the first team only for Erik to tell him he wasnt part of his plans and to find another club then signing Reguilion to cover for Shaw and Malacia instead with Alvaro having to leave for Granada in deadline day.
What an awful way to treat a hard working young player who has done everything asked of him and wants to play for club while people like Rashford and Martial get to play despite putting little to no effort in.
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Just had a gander on Reddit: The vast majority are supporting ETH over there.
Shaw? Really?
These lads will turn on the next guy as well. Let him clear out the piss-takers.
You think you run too much in training and he was mean to Sancho so you take the piss on the pitch?
Anyone with that attitude needs to go regardless of who the manager is.
He's fecked, sadly. Looked promising, but I cant imagine him being our manager in May.
If he makes it to May it means that Ineos are willing to back him.
I’m not sure you really get it
I will lose faith in the club if he’s sacked. We can’t allow lunatics run the asylum.
https://x.com/skysportsnews/status/1731753545488122290?s=46&t=wxpuqJtaIkz2kcV7xGORhg
https://x.com/skysportsnews/status/1731753545488122290?s=46&t=wxpuqJtaIkz2kcV7xGORhg
Depends if they are true or not, mind.
Not so sure he fell out with Varane, tbh. Seen no proof of that.
Using Arsenal's model - as hard as it is to say it - looks a good bet.
Just curious, what mistreatment did he do against Maguire and Mctominay
Not sure that’s true. Him lasting until May means they can get who they want in the summer - be much harder to do that mid-season.
Problem with this is, because he has wasted so much money and seemingly mismanaged the ones he has signed, he can’t be trusted to do this
When there is no newbie/promotion system and slack in moderation, anyone can pose as fan (that's before multiple account from same poster tactics to update/downvote opposition opinion).
Take popular opinion from there with extra pinch of salt.
I’m not sure you have a valid point outside of trying to get rid of players you don’t like.
We need more players for sure, some of these players aren’t good enough to start for United but could do a job under set circumstance.
Throwing around words like culture reset because Rashford and Martial are still here doesn’t make much sense. We won’t have any good players left if we continue down this path.
Do any of them actually look particularly tired? Rashford can sprint forward without a problem but refuses to track his man. That's not tiredness.
This doesn't make sense. Every club that has ever had success has sacked multiple managers prior to the success they achieved. Otherwise most clubs would have had the same manager for decades
What exactly is the reportedly Varane fallout? I remember if being a vage rumour. When did it become "the truth"?
From good sources, they’ve been doing mostly hard running in training and next to no technical work, which explains our ‘style of play’.
I don't have much faith in ETH's squad management but there is a massive gulf between Preston and United. Chances are he just isn't good enough.
All absolving the players of any responsibility. How convenient... Forgive my cynicism but this just sounds like self-serving excuses from players who aren't performing.
To paraphrase one of my favourite movies, this shitty squad has more fecking leaks than the Iraqi navy.
Again you didn’t read it properly
How can you possibly build any familiarity with passing moves if you spend all your time doing running drills? Isn’t it the managers job to coach this stuff or are the players supposed to work this out themselves?
True, I think it's a long way back to the top, he's only been in the job 18 months. It takes 3/4 years to build a team that's going to be successful and competitive over a number of years. During that time there's going to be periods of bad form, but once the plan, direction and process is clear. You can decide to stick it out or pull the plug and start again. Which is when you end in that endless managerial merry go round of bounce and sack every 18 months.
That's why I'm still of the opinion I'd rather see ETH stay and get rid of most of this squad than see some of this lot go through the same process again. There's no point sacking him unless that background setup is overhauled.
Either way, stick with him or sack him, Utd aren't going to be competitive for a good while yet, it's a process that's going to take 3 or 4 years. That's not just to get all the transfers done, that's getting the team built and having everyone on the same page on the pitch, to the point where there's relationships and understanding all over the pitch.
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