Micky Targaryen
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Seeing that Case and McT are our leading scorers are pretty grim. Like I said in the matchday thread, I am edging closer towards the sack camp, after his tactical lineup bombed.
That's wrong interpretation of United way though, when at the end of SAF reign we don't have that new academy as starter under SAF. 40 years old Giggs still around. Experience from Rio, Vida, Evra, RVP still required. If anything Arsenal under Wenger at that time was bold about their young player policy since they keep selling their best players in their prime years,To me, the United Way is about building a club based on the academy or young players. Styles of play change like fashion but that ethos should always remain constant.
Imo I don't think ETH was talking about that. He was talking about our football philosophy imo.
Our football has always been direct. So same goes for our recruitment and academy. Before ETH we've never recruited or taught our senior players or our youngsters to play possession football not like in Ajax or Barca or City where they've been doing that for years.
Imo he would have a much easier time to implement his football if he manages Barca or City for example instead of us.
LVG gut the first team. Flood in youth who would listen to him while quite many of them are not good enough. In long run it may work, but as evidence showed, it's too much too quick.Lvg built himself a team to play zombie footy I don't see how Eth can't do the same for himself.
The thing with LVG is his football was pure possession football. You just keep the ball at all cost (even at the cost of scoring) you'd have that. It's having the ball purely for the sake of having it. Nobody play like that anymore. And tbh LVG was able to play that kind of football only against much worse teams who played for a draw. They simply let us to have the ball because they knew we'd do feck all with it. If my memory serves me right we were never able to play like that against any decent team. It was more like Fellaini and hoofing I think.Lvg built himself a team to play zombie footy I don't see how Eth can't do the same for himself.
We could play 500 mins yesterday and we wouldnt have score a single fecking goal. Guy is clueless. Is his attacking instruction is just "try some random play boys" ???
I forgot one thing that's our injuries. What I said might makes you think that we've always been a mess under ETH but that's simply not true.Now we're talking about changing the habits of multiple players at the same time in order to play a new kind of football. Obviously it'll look like a mess. Some might make it. Some don't and we'll have to replace those. I don't know if we'd ever make it but one thing I'm sure about is it'll take time. Until then we'll unfortunately look like a mess I think.
Not the time to sack the manager. We need to sort the structure out above him, create alignment across all things transfers / how we want to play. Sporting Director is crucial as part of any shakeup of the football club. One thing we do need to see from Ten Hag though is him finding his backbone, Rashford is clearly out of form yet we’re persistently playing him. Give Garnacho a run on the left.
his changes yesterday - you could see we where being overran in midfield within 10 mins of the second half kicking off. Why not bring Mainoo on at that point ?
Not sure if you watched the game, but that was the least of our problems yesterday.I genuinely can’t believe he started Maguire and Jonny Evans against Erling Haaland…
Wtf is he doing!?
Why are we the only club in the world that needs a DOF to beat teams like Palace and Galatasary?Not the time to sack the manager. We need to sort the structure out above him, create alignment across all things transfers / how we want to play. Sporting Director is crucial as part of any shakeup of the football club. One thing we do need to see from Ten Hag though is him finding his backbone, Rashford is clearly out of form yet we’re persistently playing him. Give Garnacho a run on the left.
his changes yesterday - you could see we where being overran in midfield within 10 mins of the second half kicking off. Why not bring Mainoo on at that point ?
You are not. But signing a good DoF first increases the chances of signing a well fitting manager next.Why are we the only club in the world that needs a DOF to beat teams like Palace and Galatasary?
It doesn't, it just means we'll have to fire two people when that ultimately fails also because the manager isn't doing his job and the DOF picked the manager. A DOF isn't always the answer, Arsenal haven't had one since Sven Mislintat, Brighton don't have one, Tottenham don't have one, Liverpool didn't have one since Edwards left. We just need a manager that isn't shit and most of this stuff will work itself out.You are not. But signing a good DoF first increases the chances of signing a well fitting manager next.
So now Ten Hag says we are never going to see United play like Ten Hag let Ajax play? But he has to play United the United way. Who decides that then? The United way leaves us behind the way teams like Arsenal, City and Liverpool play.
And it also is because he doesn’t have the players to play like he let Ajax play. Who buys this players then for 400 million? I just don’t understand what he says here, it’s the beginning of the end for him I think.
To be fair to him, if he thinks the United way is what we played under Rangnick then he's doing a brilliant job at replicating it.He said that? What was the point of hiring him then?
So all of this is based on a misunderstanding. They hired him to bring the Ajax way, and he came thinking he needs to do the United way. That is tragic.So now Ten Hag says we are never going to see United play like Ten Hag let Ajax play? But he has to play United the United way. Who decides that then? The United way leaves us behind the way teams like Arsenal, City and Liverpool play.
And it also is because he doesn’t have the players to play like he let Ajax play. Who buys this players then for 400 million? I just don’t understand what he says here, it’s the beginning of the end for him I think.
but is stubbornness to play players that are showing no form, no hunger and seemingly no idea is just foolish. If he doesn’t start changing it up in the coming weeks we’d have to consider his position.
Probably because the alternative is to play Antony.My thought on Bruno is why put a player who is out of form in a position he is not comfortable with. Better to leave him out especially against a team like City.
His problem is that he's rapidly going to run out of allies in the dressing room if he does that. Everybody knows what a lot of players in this squad are like. If they don't fancy the manager, they stop trying and start talking to their mates in the media instead. Yes, in an ideal world Ten Hag would take a hard line and eventually change the dressing room culture, but I simply don't believe that's possible without turfing out half the squad, and that's simply not going to happen (especially given the club's financial situation). I think he's already played his cards as far as binning players goes. He got rid of Ronaldo, he got rid of De Gea, he got rid of Sancho, he took the captaincy off of Maguire. He's brought in a bunch of people he's previously managed and should be willing to run through brick walls for him. At some point he actually has to start getting some results before he can throw any more people under the nearest bus. Sir Alex could do whatever he liked because his position was untouchable. Ten Hag is a few players downing tools away from losing his job.He doesnt play Sancho because the player did not apologize to him yet he doesnt drop Rashford and Bruno for being piss poor. If he wants to be a hard man he should be with all the players and not pick and choose.
He said that? What was the point of hiring him then?
Nah I agree with his big decisions, Ronaldo, Sancho, Maguire captaincy, Id want our captain to be a regular starter, but yeah giving it Bruno wasn't the answer, although who else in our current team could we give it to. My only shout would be Martinez.How he thought Bruno was captain material is beyond me. That's terrible judge of character right there.
Also, you don't strip the captaincy from Maguire until you have him out the door.
ten Hags decision making at this club has been a disaster for some time now and I think the job is far too big for him.
That's a horrific quote. Who the feck demand this? We'd have brought in Guardiola after Fergie if he didn't promise Bayern to go there. Don't think he would be happy to play on the counter.On the dutch paper site AD, there are quotes from Ten Hag talking to VIAPLAY saying we will never play like how he played at ajax, that's not why he came here. "The way we played at AJAX, you won't ever see that here." "The player material decides how we play. That's why I can not let this team play the way I did at ajax. I have to, I can't play the same way here. It's also not in the DNA of Manchester United. Ajax football is very specific, here we have to play more direct. We have the type of players for that."
He speaks like at United we do not accept or want Ajax type of football and he is forced to play a different brand... I'm sure many on the caf were dreaming of our team playing like his Ajax team and that it was a big reason many wanted him here for... Is this shit football and his player acquirement strategy just a confused Ten Hag thinking we want hoofball?
Spot on. In my country there is a saying 'if the chair of a manager seat has four legs the players have three of those'.His problem is that he's rapidly going to run out of allies in the dressing room if he does that. Everybody knows what a lot of players in this squad are like. If they don't fancy the manager, they stop trying and start talking to their mates in the media instead. Yes, in an ideal world Ten Hag would take a hard line and eventually change the dressing room culture, but I simply don't believe that's possible without turfing out half the squad, and that's simply not going to happen (especially given the club's financial situation). I think he's already played his cards as far as binning players goes. He got rid of Ronaldo, he got rid of De Gea, he got rid of Sancho, he took the captaincy off of Maguire. He's brought in a bunch of people he's previously managed and should be willing to run through brick walls for him. At some point he actually has to start getting some results before he can throw any more people under the nearest bus. Sir Alex could do whatever he liked because his position was untouchable. Ten Hag is a few players downing tools away from losing his job.
That's a horrific quote. Who the feck demand this? We'd have brought in Guardiola after Fergie if he didn't promise Bayern to go there. Don't think he would be happy to play on the counter.
Ten Hag is talking bollocks.
He talks so much guffThat's a horrific quote. Who the feck demand this? We'd have brought in Guardiola after Fergie if he didn't promise Bayern to go there. Don't think he would be happy to play on the counter.
Ten Hag is talking bollocks.
On the dutch paper site AD, there are quotes from Ten Hag talking to VIAPLAY saying we will never play like how he played at ajax, that's not why he came here. "The way we played at AJAX, you won't ever see that here." "The player material decides how we play. That's why I can not let this team play the way I did at ajax. I have to, I can't play the same way here. It's also not in the DNA of Manchester United. Ajax football is very specific, here we have to play more direct. We have the type of players for that."
He speaks like at United we do not accept or want Ajax type of football and he is forced to play a different brand... I'm sure many on the caf were dreaming of our team playing like his Ajax team and that it was a big reason many wanted him here for... Is this shit football and his player acquirement strategy just a confused Ten Hag thinking we want hoofball?