Erik ten Hag | 2022/23 & 2023/24

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Even Arteta at Arsenal, he's not won anything but he's been a lot closer in the league than we've been, same thing, he took his time to settle but you could see what he wanted to install.
Arteta won the FA Cup in his first (half) season. It's probably what bought him some time as we finished 8th his first 2 seasons.

At this relative point in Arteta's tenure, Arsenal played horribly. You couldn't 'see' anything.
We as fans may not have seen much, but Mourinho, when he was at Spurs and beat us 2-0 in July 2020, saw it. He pretty much said Arteta would be the man to take us back to our glory days, said our tactics were much better.
 
I've seen a lot of discussions on previous managers records and how they compare to EtH now, and that's how I see it:-

When Ole was a manager, I really hoped that he succeeded but his issues were evident, his football lacked a coherent style and was too dependant on individual performances and when the that was lacking he was found out to be out of his depth..

Ten Hag style is little bit distinguishable from what Ole was doing, and he had a good first season, nothing spectacular but it was a good first season overall and the hope was that this season his style is cemented and the team can use last season as a platform to progress from and move forward, yet he is now enduring the worst start of United in the PL plus 2 losses in 2 CL games, I appreciate that 2 key defenders and 3 backup defenders are injured but it doesn't excuse the horrible performances at home against Brighton, Palace & GS, he can't continue losing games, especially at home, it's not like we missing half of our midfield and attack, we still field players like Varane, Cas, Bruno, Mount, Eriksen, Rashford, and Hojlund, as well as excellent youngsters like Nacho and Hannibal, and yet we get done by Palace and GS at home, that's absolutely not acceptable and Ten Hag must change something to get the team to be able to focus, concentrate and perform for 90 mins to get a win.
 
Arteta won the FA Cup in his first (half) season. It's probably what bought him some time as we finished 8th his first 2 seasons.


We as fans may not have seen much, but Mourinho, when he was at Spurs and beat us 2-0 in July 2020, saw it. He pretty much said Arteta would be the man to take us back to our glory days, said our tactics were much better.
Well Jose also praised Ole and said he should be given time so won't take what he says in face value.

I don't think you guys were any good in first 2 odd season, in fact Edu needs to be massively credited to back him. Any other big ambitious club he would have been sacked 5 times.

Again he is doing a decent job now but some united fans are just rewriting history by saying he was alwaus building something great and his play style was solid.

Their game against City at the start of the 21-22 season , city beat them 5-0 with 80% possession and Arsenal ended up with 0 shots on target. As I said every manager would love to get that level of backing. And this performance was after he had finished 8th and 8th.
 
Well Jose also praised Ole and said he should be given time so won't take what he says in face value.

I don't think you guys were any good in first 2 odd season, in fact Edu needs to be massively credited to back him. Any other big ambitious club he would have been sacked 5 times.

Again he is doing a decent job now but some united fans are just rewriting history by saying he was alwaus building something great and his play style was solid.

Their game against City at the start of the 21-22 season , city beat them 5-0 with 80% possession and Arsenal ended up with 0 shots on target. As I said every manager would love to get that level of backing. And this performance was after he had finished 8th and 8th.
Aye, it’s a complete load of bollocks people pretending they always rated Arteta, especially the Arsenal fans.
 
Aye, it’s a complete load of bollocks people pretending they always rated Arteta, especially the Arsenal fans.
Arsenal fans lying makes somewhat sense , United fans pretending is what is funny.
 
I feckin love this guy. He'll get it right, patience required. If half our players had his mentality we'd be flying.

Don't think he will until maybe December when we should have our first choice defence. I just hope he can win enough games between now and then
 
He needs to grow some balls and drop the big names who are not performing.

The problem with that is he doesn't trust anyone to step into Bruno/Rashford's shoes,also certain he hasn't the balls to drop Onana for Bayindir either even though he should
 
I really like ETH, best manager we had since SAF. But for the love of God Erik, drop these underperforming prima donnas and play the youth.

If he is to survive here, I think he needs to sacrifice players in order to fulfill his tactics, and not the other way around.

For starters, Rashford needs to be benched. In before "he is our main goalscoarer and provides the only threat". Not this season, Hojlund has looked decent so far and will only get better as time goes along. Rashford needs a kick up his arse to be reminded to put in shifts and track his runners when out of possession. Also, raising his head and passing to team mate who are in better positions than he is might help as well.

Next up Bruno: ETH relies on nice crisp passing through the middle. With Bruno there we lose possession far too many times. We need someone with similar qualities, but who is a bit less erratic in possession. Last year that was Sabitzer and I think this year it might be Mount. Bruno needs to be moved to the flank into a bit of a "Tadic role", wide playmaker that can score goals and has a high workrate. Also playing there will minimize his constant loss of posession.

And lastly: we need some energy down the middle. Mejbri looked like a unit next to Casemiro. The lad looks like an improvement on Fred already. Play him, till Mainoo gets back and then decide which one of the 2 is the better player and build on that.

Come one Erik mate, start dropping these underperforming wankers before they get you sacked!
 
Well Jose also praised Ole and said he should be given time so won't take what he says in face value.

I don't think you guys were any good in first 2 odd season, in fact Edu needs to be massively credited to back him. Any other big ambitious club he would have been sacked 5 times.

Again he is doing a decent job now but some united fans are just rewriting history by saying he was alwaus building something great and his play style was solid.

Their game against City at the start of the 21-22 season , city beat them 5-0 with 80% possession and Arsenal ended up with 0 shots on target. As I said every manager would love to get that level of backing. And this performance was after he had finished 8th and 8th.
I agree, that's why I said that's why us fans (myself included) couldn't see the progress Arteta was making initially. But someone like Mourinho did and while he may have been wrong about Ole, he seems to be correct about Arteta. I have said before that I was "Arteta out" after we missed out on top 4 the season before last. I have never been happier to be wrong in my life.

And I agree - we are not "a big ambitious club" at the level of Real, Barca, United, which is why Arteta was given the time. From the looks of it, he told the board that he would need 2-3 seasons to build his team and get back in CL. Arteta had to get rid of the underperforming or problematic players on high salaries over 1-2 seasons. We don't have the budget to buy a team in 1-2 windows (a la Chelsea). But I think Arteta definitely had a clear playing style from the start, even if it wasn't always obvious. He wanted high energy, high pressing and possession.

Don't remind me about our thrashings at City's hands. Let's hope we can at least make a game of it on Monday (I'm in Sydney).
 
I personally will give him a shit season, finishing midtable, whatever. Hopefully the clowns that run United will show him support too. I feel it's the only way to fight back against player power and rot. Hopefully he gets rid of the laziest in the summer, those on big contracts that use the club as their retirement home... and those unsuited to his tactics.
I'd rather this than going through another "rebuild" with different manager who will again give everyone a clean slate and in return will be stabbed in the back a year and a half later.
 
I really like ETH, best manager we had since SAF. But for the love of God Erik, drop these underperforming prima donnas and play the youth.

If he is to survive here, I think he needs to sacrifice players in order to fulfill his tactics, and not the other way around.

For starters, Rashford needs to be benched. In before "he is our main goalscoarer and provides the only threat". Not this season, Hojlund has looked decent so far and will only get better as time goes along. Rashford needs a kick up his arse to be reminded to put in shifts and track his runners when out of possession. Also, raising his head and passing to team mate who are in better positions than he is might help as well.

Next up Bruno: ETH relies on nice crisp passing through the middle. With Bruno there we lose possession far too many times. We need someone with similar qualities, but who is a bit less erratic in possession. Last year that was Sabitzer and I think this year it might be Mount. Bruno needs to be moved to the flank into a bit of a "Tadic role", wide playmaker that can score goals and has a high workrate. Also playing there will minimize his constant loss of posession.

And lastly: we need some energy down the middle. Mejbri looked like a unit next to Casemiro. The lad looks like an improvement on Fred already. Play him, till Mainoo gets back and then decide which one of the 2 is the better player and build on that.

Come one Erik mate, start dropping these underperforming wankers before they get you sacked!

Great post. And I agree with all you have said.
Rashford definitely is showing signs of not trying hard enough. When he loses position he just walks back with his hands on his hips instead of chasing back to regain possession. Simply not good enough.

And Bruno tries far too many 50/50 passed. Again simply not good enough.

Both should be dropped if Ten Hag really wants to send the right message to the squad.
 
I feckin love this guy. He'll get it right, patience required. If half our players had his mentality we'd be flying.

A few searching questions which he dealt with.
He is a good manager despite what some think.
But the thing I liked most of all was the fact that he will not accept any excuses.
As he rightly says...we have to deal with it.
 
Oyy! Straight off with the Jadon question eh?

Who's the cnut asking the first one?
Do we not have a media officer in charge of these things?

Erik needs to shit in their manbags.
I really don't get why you are angry about journalists doing their job. They report on and ask about things of public interest and considering that we are on page 126 of the EtH vs Sancho thread on this forum proves that this matter qualifies as such.
 
I really don't get why you are angry about journalists doing their job. They report on and ask about things of public interest and considering that we are on page 126 of the EtH vs Sancho thread on this forum proves that this matter qualifies as such.

The Jadon thing is really done and dusted.
It's well known, there's nothing to report.

There is no "doing their job" things. It's a dead end story.

And having a media officer telling them there's nothing to ask about it is in the description of the job.

And certainly not being asked as a first question!
Setting the tone to the pre match interview.

That's just disrespectful.

Would have loved to see them try that with prime Sir Alex. They would have got the bollocking they deserved and wouldn't have gotten a sniff at the interview room in the foreseeable future.
 
There is a lot of talk about our form post the worthless tin pot cup win, could be as simple as that was the peak of the honeymoon period for eth like so many managers enjoy when joining a club and this is now just the reality of his true long term capabilites at a top Premier league side?
 
The Jadon thing is really done and dusted.
It's well known, there's nothing to report.

There is no "doing their job" things. It's a dead end story.

And having a media officer telling them there's nothing to ask about it is in the description of the job.

And certainly not being asked as a first question!
Setting the tone to the pre match interview.

That's just disrespectful.

Would have loved to see them try that with prime Sir Alex. They would have got the bollocking they deserved and wouldn't have gotten a sniff at the interview room in the foreseeable future.
That video is titled part two - the first question here is somewhere in the middle of the press conference and not the first one setting the tone.

And you say it is a dead end story, but do you know? It is a journalists job to get the info when something changes.
 
That video is titled part two - the first question here is somewhere in the middle of the press conference and not the first one setting the tone.

And you say it is a dead end story, but do you know? It is a journalists job to get the info when something changes.

My bad then.
 
Oyy! Straight off with the Jadon question eh?

Who's the cnut asking the first one?
Do we not have a media officer in charge of these things?

Erik needs to shit in their manbags.

Think it's everyone's favourite, Luckhurst.
 
I really don't get why you are angry about journalists doing their job. They report on and ask about things of public interest and considering that we are on page 126 of the EtH vs Sancho thread on this forum proves that this matter qualifies as such.

Nobody is interested in the Sancho story. That’s a click bait question.
 
Nobody is interested in the Sancho story. That’s a click bait question.
It's literally the thread below this one and has 127 pages so presumably quite a lot of people are interested. Once they had an argument in public and United made a statement about him being dropped from the 1st team it became a perfectly obvious question to raise in each press conference.
 
It's literally the thread below this one and has 127 pages so presumably quite a lot of people are interested. Once they had an argument in public and United made a statement about him being dropped from the 1st team it became a perfectly obvious question to raise in each press conference.

Nope, it’s a click bait question. Fan’s discussing a topic ad nauseam is different from Journalists wasting our managers time answering the same question with the same answer . To be fair you expect bottom feeder journos to ask these stupid questions.

This idea that “it’s the job” to keep asking the same question is nonsense. We will learn nothing about the Sancho situation until either party comes out with something. Just wastes everybody’s time so they can write about nothing changing with Sancho and maybe twist some story out of it.
 
Nope, it’s a click bait question. Fan’s discussing a topic ad nauseam is different from Journalists wasting our managers time answering the same question with the same answer . To be fair you expect bottom feeder journos to ask these stupid questions.

This idea that “it’s the job” to keep asking the same question is nonsense. We will learn nothing about the Sancho situation until either party comes out with something. Just wastes everybody’s time so they can write about nothing changing with Sancho and maybe twist some story out of it.
Ten Hag made the issue public in the first place before Sancho moronically escalated it and there has been no update in nearly a month, it would be weird if they didn't ask about it to see if there was any update. What exactly do you want them to ask?
 
I remember Jose was doing that with Fellaini and McTom near the end of his reign. Pogba just waited for him to be sacked and then played amazing for a few weeks and just was injured or not arsed for the remainder of his United career.

But at the time, Jose got a load of grief for not getting the best out of Pogba.

You can’t change a culture in 15 months if you are still stuck with a bunch of players you don’t want and you have to play them cause of injuries and unavailable players.

I’ve got the issue on an Under 13s team I manage. We want to drop a stroppy player who has loads of talent but a bad attitude. He can win games on his own but he’s not a team player and literally stops playing in some games.

His team mates put up with his antics cause they feel more confident with him in the team. Our chances are better if he starts but we want to drop him to teach him some humility.

But we don’t have many subs and don’t have any comparable replacements. ETH dropping Bruno or Rash is not replacing them with better or equal players. United over rely on these players , so when we are not playing league cup games we will really struggle to make up for the quality they can bring.

It’s a nice idea and I agree with your sentiments in theory but in practise they don’t really work unless you have a strong squad like pep or a really strong club culture around the manager (like Klopp and pep). United has neither, we just have pot noodle sponcors in Asia to appease.
Agreed, he has terrible options right now and he's sticking with players that have at least have produced for him before. If it was me though, as I'm too stubborn I would have started hooking them way early in the season and lose with the kids if I have to. I just have a very short leash for individualistic and egotistical players in general, unless they're once in a lifetime kind of talents.
 
Ten Hag made the issue public in the first place before Sancho moronically escalated it and there has been no update in nearly a month, it would be weird if they didn't ask about it to see if there was any update. What exactly do you want them to ask?

He gave Sancho a year to get his sh*t in order, how was keeping it behind closed doors working out? Do you think a manager should persist with a strategy that’s yielding no benefit to the team?

This idea that a player who doesn’t train well should be protected is bollox. Also , Sanchos response was the problem. He’s had training issues at every club, it’s not unique, he’s just making a nuisance of himself and some fans want our manager to keep jumping through hoops to protect these wasters.

Sometimes things need to get worse before they get better, purging the club of poison attitudes is not easy.
 
At this relative point in Arteta's tenure, Arsenal played horribly. You couldn't 'see' anything.

This. Arteta’s first couple of seasons there the football was garbage, it only really started clicking for them properly last season. That was evident by the fact most people didn’t even have them finishing top 4 never mind challenging for the league.
 
At this relative point in Arteta's tenure, Arsenal played horribly. You couldn't 'see' anything.
They were proper ridiculous during lots of games too.
They settled last season with some great football but even then they were overperforming by almost every metric
 
Big game for him... how can he get the players to be more consistent, throughout 90mins. Sometimes we start quickly, sometimes slowly...we rarely keep the same sense of application throughout a game.

Brentford will be tough. It's s good game for the players... you live and earn like Kings, so go and play with some authority, pride and never-say-die spirit, worthy of the history of the shirt.
 
This. Arteta’s first couple of seasons there the football was garbage, it only really started clicking for them properly last season. That was evident by the fact most people didn’t even have them finishing top 4 never mind challenging for the league.

I feel even if things get far worse over the coming months, if ETH can hang in and turn things around , the pain will be worth it.

Alas, I don’t think the club will have the stomach because it’s not really comitted to change. If your priority is squeezing into top 4, then you will keep reacting to whatever threatens that, along with having zero ambitions above it.

Should this squad be doing far better? Absolutely. I think the issues that ETH can’t control are making the margins for error practically non existent. This is putting so much pressure on the players, they are petrified at making mistakes and probably psychologically stunted in games.

I think we are in a really unfortunate and poxy situation for the players and manager. It’s hard ti arrest a fall like this but I honestly think if they can all come through this stronger we will be much the better for it, as opposed to the panic “sack manager button” that can yield short term recovery.
 
This. Arteta’s first couple of seasons there the football was garbage, it only really started clicking for them properly last season. That was evident by the fact most people didn’t even have them finishing top 4 never mind challenging for the league.

Yep. It’s a total rewriting of history to pretend it was so clear things were building and going in the right direction under him.
 
He gave Sancho a year to get his sh*t in order, how was keeping it behind closed doors working out? Do you think a manager should persist with a strategy that’s yielding no benefit to the team?

This idea that a player who doesn’t train well should be protected is bollox. Also , Sanchos response was the problem. He’s had training issues at every club, it’s not unique, he’s just making a nuisance of himself and some fans want our manager to keep jumping through hoops to protect these wasters.

Sometimes things need to get worse before they get better, purging the club of poison attitudes is not easy.
Where exactly did I say anything to the contrary? I said once it became public because Ten Hag thought that was the right approach (which was certainly worth a try given nothing else was working) it was then perfectly reasonable for him to be asked about it and it's not click bait. He's going to be asked questions he might not like, especially when the results and performances are bad and there's so much off-field drama. What exactly do you want them to do? Ask him why he's so wonderful and then thank him for his time?
 
Where exactly did I say anything to the contrary? I said once it became public because Ten Hag thought that was the right approach (which was certainly worth a try given nothing else was working) it was then perfectly reasonable for him to be asked about it and it's not click bait. He's going to be asked questions he might not like, especially when the results and performances are bad and there's so much off-field drama. What exactly do you want them to do? Ask him why he's so wonderful and then thank him for his time?

what exactly is asking the same question going to achieve? What do you think ETH is going to say about Sancho thats any different to what he’s said the last few weeks?

So journos keep asking the same question to just get some headline, maybe catch the manager out someway or start some new narrative. That’s clickbait journalism
 
Yep. It’s a total rewriting of history to pretend it was so clear things were building and going in the right direction under him.

It isn't, ask Arsenal fans and you had some that were pissed at the results but others that saw progress with the style of play. From the outside we just laughed at the results. I always felt sorry for the deluded Arsenal fans that would ring up on 606 and tell Savage that Arsenal needed to be patient. Yet they were to be fair, correct.
 
At Arsenal things on the pitch weren't clicking in those two years but we did have lots of talk from key fans and media about the progress off the pitch, everything was being put in place with EDU and so on, not just the manager. They had a good reset and looked at young players.

Still we don't know how long it will last, can they be as strong as last year?
 
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