Not disagreeing with you about ridiculous transfer fees on those transfers.
Erik ten Hag | 2022/23 & 2023/24
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We jumped into bed with Raiola for Mourinho and now were in bed with Vos as a club saying yes to their less than awesome.e clients.
Sucks to be us, we are and have been super loyal to EtH, he need to show something for it now.
That's still not outplayed/outsmarted by anymean. CP came to old trafford with diving & hail mary set pieces, they got what they wanted.It is if it works - and we can't find a way to unlock them and play pensive, dreadful football then sub in Maguire and VdB
parking the bus is a very valid tactic if you know limitations of your opposition and said opposition can't adapt
United just couldn't break their defense which is a theme for who knows how long now (3 years?).
That's just United outplayed themselves. We are fecking shit in the final third, every knows that.
You blame coaching staff, blame the manager but honestly, nobody knows what the feck going on anymore. Shit like this need systemic coaching and proper structure to improve.
And Bayern aren't playing CL? More or less guaranteeing silverware to a player who had it all apart from trophies?
You did not get the point. The problem is that he has no plan.
Villa doesn't play defensively. They have exciting wide players, and a technically sound midfield averaging 65% of the ball at home. They have scored 18 in 7. For comparison United has scored 7 in 7. Unai Emery has 4 european trophies, a league title and domestic cups in France.
He source many of our failing recent players trough his agent Vos. He has much more say in what we bring in than we think.
Ok. Not in a good position. Let's see if he can turn it around. I have high hopes for him.
Doesn't seem to hard. Just needs to reward good games and good attitudes.
Yes, the left back conundrum is a bit silly. I'd rather he play a u19 left back then slot Amrabat there.
Get Garnacho on. Get Mejbri on. Play Amrabat in the middle. Play Bruno on his position. Play Antony on rw.
Start winning ffs.
Doesn't seem to hard. Just needs to reward good games and good attitudes.
Yes, the left back conundrum is a bit silly. I'd rather he play a u19 left back then slot Amrabat there.
Get Garnacho on. Get Mejbri on. Play Amrabat in the middle. Play Bruno on his position. Play Antony on rw.
Start winning ffs.
Out played and outsmarted aren't interchangeable. Again, if the tactical adjustment needed to guarantee 3 points against United is simply parking the bus then it certainly qualifies as outsmarting Ten Hag seeing as he's incapable of finding a solution for it. It is what it is.
He needs to show some fecking balls and drop his Holyness Marcus Rashford!
Yeah, for sure, SAF lived in a very different world! I couldn’t say for sure that EtH is a great coach but I think he might have the best mix of ability and personality for the job at hand. Which is a big, long term job.
He is known to be a long term planner and he is evidently determined and principled and speaks his mind.
I think we have to ask ourselves: what is the job? Many coaches might get better results in the short term but we’re trying to consistently challenge for and win the biggest trophies. It’s a complex task.
He's toast. Tools have been downed.
Definitely. I'd put all that under his "achievements"
I don't give a feck about beautiful football for now honestly. It looks like ten Hag is out of ideas for now.
If he has to play Mourinho ball to start winning, just do it.
If he has to play Mourinho ball to start winning, just do it.
Do what LVG did and just installed your philosophy in the youth. It got LVG an FA cup and a goal difference off top four.
Our best players can’t press or pass. Bench them.
*cough Bruno, Rashford*
Our best players can’t press or pass. Bench them.
*cough Bruno, Rashford*
Unpopular opinion but I’ve had more fun watching United under Ole than this shit.
Doubt it, he wants to win trophies.
We need proper recruitment and scouting the club is a fecking joke blowing so much money on Antony, Mount, Hojlund was fecking insane.
Don’t handle the keys to the kingdom to whoever waltzes in
Don’t handle the keys to the kingdom to whoever waltzes in
Could be in trouble this season.
Great, we just won one last season.
Give it a bit of time. You can see there is an attempt to transition the side away from the counterattacking bruno/rashford 'rabbit out of the hat' tricks we've been used to. We're on a bad run but it really doesn't look hopeless and don't also see how it's either EtH's fault that the club has been a circus with the sale, Greenwood, Sancho etc etc,
I regret bringing up Ole now, not getting into that debate with people again
How is it not Ten Hag’s fault?
Be objective for a minute. Ten Hag must have been aware United would be hindered by FFP in the transfer market, why did he waste more than £100m on Mason Mount & Onana when they weren’t really priority positions.
United could have kept De Gea(he won golden gloves last season). United’s defence wasn’t bad last season. They conceded similar amount of goals as Arsenal but Arsenal scored 30 league goals more & got 9 points higher than United.
It was obvious even to the blind that the attack area(lack of a decenrcentre forward) was where the problem was and a midfield that could control games for large spells. This isn’t rocket science.
Ten Hag abandoned reason and wasted scarce resources on 2 players we don’t really need. The idea behind his recruitment was awful. This was the same guy that thought replacing Ronaldo with Weghorst(0 PL goals in 17 apps last season) was a genius idea.
You watch other teams and you can see what their managers are trying to achieve. Ange has been at Spurs in 5 minutes and he’s totally transformed the club. Ten Hag has no identity, no tactical nous. The football has been frantic and desperate.
What a shit show!!!
Too many changes after beating Palace earlier in the week.
Before asking me to google anything you should at least google about the Caicedo deal and know that it wasn’t the manager who ignored the Caicedo deal back in 2020 but it was a failure from the recruitment department with internediaries. None of our managers have ever completely trusted our scouts (a problem less apparent in other top clubs). The DOF is totally clueless to veto anything any manager decides here, another problem that is non-existent in other top clubs where the DOFs get even more say than managers.
And therefore thinking that the solution is to sack a manager to allow the next one to rely on our “good scouting department” while using existing players (like you said in your initial post) is a completely head in the sand view of the problems in this club. The next manager will have the same problems and lack of trust under the same scouting and recruitment structure. And you’ll be asking for his head again.
I don't see what type of team we're trying to be.The players are either incapable or refusing to carry out the managers instructions.Either way I think this ends badly for the manager without a full clear out of the players he inherited .
No a real one, league title or cl.
He said it himself often.
Looking at how he manages (or appears to from a distance) he is a builder. He believes in process above isolated product / outcomes. That seems to be the case from his selections and the way he talks about the club / squad.
To self-fellatingly quote a wise man.
Point is I'm not saying getting a new manager will help, not by a long shot. But will it hurt? Hurt what? What do we have going for us this season that's in any danger of being jeopardized by a new manager hire? Best case scenario we strike gold, worst case things just continue as they are.
When things aren't going well, I personally find it a little silly for a club to just hope it all magically fixes itself, rather than trying something differently.
For the first time since he joined, I’m genuinely worried. He’s made so much excellent managerial decisions so far and had a really good first year but 4 losses out of 7 has to set alarm bells ringing at a club of this stature. At the end of the day despite him turning the ship around last year, we’re falling apart when it’s now that the football needed to start showing quality. The tactics, coaching, patterns just aren’t showing.
I still feel that he needs time to see through this horrific injury situation and then let’s how things look another 6 months from now - if we haven’t made substantial progress.
I still feel that he needs time to see through this horrific injury situation and then let’s how things look another 6 months from now - if we haven’t made substantial progress.
What cohesion? The attack plays like they've never seen each other before?
should be forced to train the under 21s until he apologises.
We need to give him at least to the end of the season and see where we are then. We have had so many false dawns, chopping and changing managers isn't the answer
Weirdly enough, Ole was the funniest manager w had since Fergie. We played our best attacking football under him since Fergie. That’s telling !
And how will this help?
I think I’ll start to get worried if he doesn’t bench Rashford next game
Yeah it’s dire and the results are generally down to the decisions he’s making. However I believe he is doing the right things for the long term.
You might say he’s being naive because each defeat is a step towards the sack even if his plans are progressing in the right direction.
I still think it will click soon.
I’ll sack everyone. Manager, players, CEO, DOF. The new owner, if there is one one day, should anyway.
You're 100% wrong.
Why would you trust the scouting department that you didn’t appoint when your boss tells you that you’ve got £400m to spend and you can sign whoever the feck you want?
And the even luckier win against Wolves in match 1 (not to mention that the only other match we won saw us desperately hanging on against 10 man Forest).
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