Fair weather fan then?
Erik ten Hag | 2022/23 & 2023/24
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Fair weather fan then?
If you read his posts in this thread you’ll notice how delusional he is.
Worrying times. This team is one he built and he can't get them clicking. Next manager would have to change everything because this is ETH team. That will just set us back further if the rebuild needed is massive.
Hopefully, he turns things around.
Hopefully, he turns things around.
Its cyclical deja vu at this point. Im hopeless
Yes, it’s called making the manager accountable for their job. He can either coach the team to do better in possession or revert to something else that works with the current players better. I’m not sure why we’re talking like a manager can only play one style of football, they should be able to adapt to the players they have.
Out of interest mr terrible sarcasm; who would you hire ?
He’s trying to ease them in, of course. But there would have been a good argument for starting them. However, Mount did okay and Hojlund put a shift in and was unlucky.
I didn’t think it was a mistake before the match, maybe not after the match either. Hopefully they come back in for Tuesday.
I've seen this movie before. He'll be sacked after months and months of continuous terrible performances and results. His successor will come in and get moderate success before the cycle contines again.
That was the beginning of the end for me. No coming back from that.
They did but they were shit in the final 3rd, as were Chelsea. We need someone who knows how to craft goals from the back.
Better options were available than every one.
they’re more than entitled to be fed up.
I haven’t watched us play since last season as I refuse to whilst the scum still own us.
I hope we lose every game until they’re gone.
The CL finish just papers over cracks every year. But some on here hoover it up like it’s a trophy.
I've always been about giving managers time and I don't think (although might be proved wrong) that I've ever called for a manager to be sacked on this forum.
Unfortunately for me, this isn't working. I actually don't mind ETHs signings, overall. I also like him as a person, and as a character. He's made plenty of tough decisions, largely for the better, and he speaks and acts like a Utd manager.
The problem is his football. Its garbage. Its slow, its ponderous and its overcomplicated. When I watch us play, I don't understand what we're trying to achieve. We've got huge gaps all over the field and players playing seemingly everywhere BUT the position that suits them. It all looks so chaotic.
Unlike LvG, Jose and OGS, ETH has had basically everything he's asked for. He doesn't really have any obvious excuses. The squad, for me, is fairly good. The football and the execution of whatever it is that we are trying to do is way, way off the mark for me.
Read my posts on Arteta. I said all along he was taking Arsenal in the right direction and results didn't matter. This isn't about results. It's the manner of the defeats, the way we're losing, the chaotic nature of the performances.
OGS struggled when he tried to play front-foot football, and ETH is struggling just as badly. It's no better, and that should be damning.
Unfortunately for me, this isn't working. I actually don't mind ETHs signings, overall. I also like him as a person, and as a character. He's made plenty of tough decisions, largely for the better, and he speaks and acts like a Utd manager.
The problem is his football. Its garbage. Its slow, its ponderous and its overcomplicated. When I watch us play, I don't understand what we're trying to achieve. We've got huge gaps all over the field and players playing seemingly everywhere BUT the position that suits them. It all looks so chaotic.
Unlike LvG, Jose and OGS, ETH has had basically everything he's asked for. He doesn't really have any obvious excuses. The squad, for me, is fairly good. The football and the execution of whatever it is that we are trying to do is way, way off the mark for me.
Read my posts on Arteta. I said all along he was taking Arsenal in the right direction and results didn't matter. This isn't about results. It's the manner of the defeats, the way we're losing, the chaotic nature of the performances.
OGS struggled when he tried to play front-foot football, and ETH is struggling just as badly. It's no better, and that should be damning.
Until the club is sold this is our future unfortunately.
Those calling for sacking ETH need to have a word. Now, more than ever, I am with him. Today wasn't great but I don't think it will define our season - we will find our form. I think we'll do well to get 5th, but it is what it is. ETH needs another season at least to get this team in shape.
I mean SAF lost 1-4 at home to Liverpool and had the famous 1-6 vs City. I'll happily take a heavy beating in two matches a year if the rest of the football and the results otherwise are fine
I don't think so unless we hire the like of Jose. The squad building is based on pressing and passing so there will be some uses for whoever comes in if that happens.
Head in the sand is believing that a club the size of Manchester United doesn’t have a good scouting network.
Whats Mount and Hojlund got to do with Garnacho and Mejbri? One is a striker and the other played with both mid week
This is where we're wrong in our thinking. Brighton's success isn't down to just the manager. It's the whole setup. It's everything from managing players on the field, to the fitness coaches, to the scouting. It's why they could afford for Potter to go and bring in somebody else and not struggle. What we need to be doing is improving our whole setup. We don't necessarily have to have the Brighton manager and that won't actually solve anything. But, we need to be looking at other clubs where things are working and trying to identify what it is they're doing right and what we're doing wrong. We're spunking tons of cash on players in transfer fees for a start, and we're then paying eye-watering wages on top of that. The return on the pitch for what we're spending off it is nowhere near comparable. It's shite value for money.
There needs to be a well-thought out system and then a plan for how to implement that. I'm very disappointed in ETH because I thought this would be exactly what we were getting when he was coming in. The problem is, you can't run an army with one man. You need the right people behind him, above him, and below him. This doesn't seem like something that will obviously start working anytime soon, unless something changes. We're going to lose more games if we keep doing what we're already doing.
Same, it’s a massive black mark against any manager that never goes away.
We should keep him till May at least. There are no alternatives.
However, right now it seems to me that he has no plan. For anything. In retrospect, even the Ronaldo incident shows that he has no plan. As a manager, you are in control, you don't pick a fight with your superstar striker without some idea of how you are going to replace him. He got the useless Wout, and he used him every week because he had no other ideas. Then, he paid 70 million for a 20 year old prospect. We still have no proper striker, after spending 400 million! There is no plan.
I have no idea how Ajax worked, but is it possible that all the planning at Ajax was Overmars and only Overmars?
However, right now it seems to me that he has no plan. For anything. In retrospect, even the Ronaldo incident shows that he has no plan. As a manager, you are in control, you don't pick a fight with your superstar striker without some idea of how you are going to replace him. He got the useless Wout, and he used him every week because he had no other ideas. Then, he paid 70 million for a 20 year old prospect. We still have no proper striker, after spending 400 million! There is no plan.
I have no idea how Ajax worked, but is it possible that all the planning at Ajax was Overmars and only Overmars?
Give it a bit of time. You can see there is an attempt to transition the side away from the counterattacking bruno/rashford 'rabbit out of the hat' tricks we've been used to. We're on a bad run but it really doesn't look hopeless and don't also see how it's either EtH's fault that the club has been a circus with the sale, Greenwood, Sancho etc etc,
I regret bringing up Ole now, not getting into that debate with people again
I don't think it's fair to call anyone that. The people you'd classify as such would've stopped following United a long time ago now.
You can support the team and still oppose the ownership.
I can’t think back to then but I know he finished 8th twice and then 5th before we seen his team get consistently good.
Someone was asked the question "what makes De Zerbi qualified for the job?" and I said "at least his team plays good football" the implication being that we're incapable of doing so. That's not me saying "bring De Zerbi in", if that's your interpretation then that's your damage, not mine.
I do not concern myself with what you think is shallow or sensible, respectfully. Fact of the matter is EtH is £400m and over a year in and this team is comical. I also don't subscribe to sticking with something that's not working out of fear of the unknown - there are clubs that change/changed managers relatively regularly and have been more successful than United since 2013 - nor am I averse to trying an up and coming manager. I don't particularly find EtH's CV impressive either.
I've always liked Marco Rose, though. Unai is doing a good job too.
feck it, "give it Mckenna 'til end of the season" - this is tongue in cheek, playing up on Cafe memes, but I legit wouldn't pick a pitchfork if it happened. The Pep Guardiola is my idol isn't it.
When did I say that?
The post I was responding to took the 35 pts/21 games as some sort of proof for prolonged shit league form. I just pointed out that as much as we’ve been rotten this season, that total is disingenuous as our form/ppg for last season was fine and in line with a top 4 team.
And if 7 bad games in truly trying circumstances are enough to sack a manager then we will be sacking managers still for a long time.
If someone is already apathetic to the season then it says to me they're only here for the good times, not the bad times. If we suddenly pick up some form and go on a run will they still be apathetic?
I m not so sure about that. Our players don't look like they can press or pass
. Maybe it is a coaching thing.Ye 100%. That’s why he doesn’t give a shite about his performances because he knows he’s unstoppable or he thinks he is because the managers keep playing him.
Tactically outsmarted by Hodgson after the midweek game. Very concerning.
Brentford and Forest both have a better goal difference than us and that's before we get hammered by City and Liverpool.
Not to derail the thread but how did he pick a fight with our superstar striker?
The crisis would’ve been massive if it wasn’t for a lucky win against “almost jumbo Burnley” Can’t remember a more depressing start of a season; most stable crap I’ve witnessed.
We're pretty consistent this season, have to give him that
I’m just waiting for people to wake up to Ten Hag’s incompetence. Eventually they’ll run out of other people and other things to blame.
Fearing the worst for him. I hope he outlives the Glazers at least.
Yes everyone envies us for our good scouting network and the continued success and sustainability it has delivered to eight managers over ten years so far. Head in the sand.
We’ve got such a good scouting network that we never have any deadwood. City and Liverpool are trying to poach our scouts and recruitment department as we speak.
Knives out.
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