Erik ten Hag | 2022/23 & 2023/24

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Mr Pigeon said:
Even if it did hold any weight; why the feck are we being manipulated by an agency? Or is Ten Hag now head of recruitment as well as head coach and manager.
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They could actually be the cheapest on the market or work the fastest, who bloody knows. They're a massive agency, it's not exactly like Big Sam's mate or Fergie's son.
 
Terrible start and bad luck with injuries but he has to still adapt especially during games,we were only 1 nil down first half and he didn't make changes,that's what a manager should do, losing at home in the first half means you need a new plan because the original plan failed, doesn't matter why it failed but it failed and he should've been decisive and brave rather than stubborn.
 
fallengt said:
It generates clicks. People base their personality around United's failure.

This is Parlour's dog at this point.
See United's bad news > Brain releases dopamine
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Haha is that the Russian dog scientist Ivan 'Ray' Parlour? I think paul the octopus could run this club better than the humans tbh
 
Samid said:
Excuses galore.

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Yeah. He’s mostly just batted stuff away but he must have sensed the mild hysteria following the recent defeats and, I suppose, found it annoying. Today he was asked a question about re-setting, which annoyed him. He thinks we are playing well in spells but not carrying it through whole matches. I agree with him. He thinks we’ve had some rough luck with injuries. I agree with him. It’s got to be better but he’s speaking honestly.
 
Samid said:
Excuses galore.
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One thing that bugs me about your response is that EtH hasn't called the press conference to tell everyone about injuries.

He is there contractually and was asked by a journalist about injuries...and EtH always makes a point about the squad is ready etc but acknowledged the injures, which no one can deny.

Then we get your response...grown...excuses excuses.
 
Just watched the presser. EtH obviously pissed with the press, likely after all the stories in the last day or too. Don't blame him.
 
evil_geko said:
Excuses? We can make a whole team from injured players we have ffs. Some teams fall apart when only missing a few players, we miss tons.
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Considering what we paid for the players and their wages, they should be doing better.
 
Applauded him?

Is that a figure of speech or did they literally get up and clap for him? Sounds like something out of a movie. I'll be honest he's always come across pretty dry to me didn't think he had it in him to move people like that.
 
My issue is I have seen better managers after games admit they got it wrong but this guy is always on about we didn't follow the plan, the principles

So for him to be now talking about injuries naa, all am hearing are excuses.

It's got to the point where nothing new comes from him in pressers, before the game it's we are ready to fight we are prepared and then after we lose he blames the players.
 
Ceteris said:
My issue is I have seen better managers after games admit they got it wrong but this guy is always on about we didn't follow the plan, the principles

So for him to be now talking about injuries naa, all am hearing are excuses.

It's got to the point where nothing new comes from him in pressers, before the game it's we are ready to fight we are prepared and then after we lose he blames the players.
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When have managers done this?
 
It's just excuses. That's the only thing he has anyway. The amount of muscular injuries in the team proves his preparation for the team during preseason sucked arse. The team wasn't physically ready to start the season and it's on him. That's his job as their coach.
 
Levi1 said:
Except the middle of last season when he started the same 11 (give or take) about 20 times in succession, leading to an unexpected injury crisis that has yet to abate.
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That's absolutely not the case. Of the top 10 players for us in minutes last season, 2 players are injured Shaw and Varane. It is absolutely not on ETH not rotating.

Now it might still be on ETH and the staff for poor preseason preparation as cause of this injury crisis as stated above by @el3mel
 
pocco said:
This isn't directly related to McTominay in terms of performance, but did anybody find his position strange against Brighton? Since signing Amrabat we've been expecting him to become a double pivot option with Casemiro. And at the weekend we all thought that's how McTominay would be deployed to try to provide a more solid shape to build from.



Instead he's in no man's land, too high up the pitch to defend but not high enough to press. He was literally useless due mainly to his position. I've no idea why he felt this diamond would work and what McTominay would offer in those spaces.



Where this concerns me is it makes me question how we'll use Amrabat. Or perhaps more importantly, Casemiro. We thought ETH would back down from his one 6 and two 8s idea, but he said that Amrabat can play behind Casemiro! Given everything we've seen so far, I think he's being genuine and that he'll push Casemiro further up the pitch. I don't know if this got discussed at the time but it seems bonkers to me. You'll have a natural DM playing as more of an 8, and an 8ish type player with limited defensive ability, playing as a 6. Throw the Mount conundrum in there and I can only see further tactical headaches.
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Yep. Playing on the right side of a diamond. Caught between not knowing to push on the left back or to pick up one of the midfielders.

Ten Hag would rather change the formation and put players in unfamiliar positions, than trust playing Garnacho or Pallestri on the right.
 
Ceteris said:
My issue is I have seen better managers after games admit they got it wrong but this guy is always on about we didn't follow the plan, the principles

So for him to be now talking about injuries naa, all am hearing are excuses.

It's got to the point where nothing new comes from him in pressers, before the game it's we are ready to fight we are prepared and then after we lose he blames the players.
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The funny thing is you can't actually explain why the tactics failed, you just go by the result. Why don't you explain why the tactics didn't work in the Brighton match. It should be easy for a football genius like you.
 
OrcaFat said:
Yeah. He’s mostly just batted stuff away but he must have sensed the mild hysteria following the recent defeats and, I suppose, found it annoying. Today he was asked a question about re-setting, which annoyed him. He thinks we are playing well in spells but not carrying it through whole matches. I agree with him. He thinks we’ve had some rough luck with injuries. I agree with him. It’s got to be better but he’s speaking honestly.
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He really said that? (Havent seen the presser) Actually, I mean, I get it, better to say that at least something is working than downright stating everything is shit but I'd really would want to know what he really thinks. Not sure how objective I am at this point but this season I haven't seen us play well or good at all. We weren't bad, maybe we were decent but good feels like a bit of stretch. (Doesn't mean, our opponents were always better. I remember the Spurs game and the Arsenal game as well being relatively low level games where no side really was convincing).

Yorke to Cole said:
https://x.com/UtdDistrict/status/1704235595805925427?s=20



I think this shows the team and players are behind him. Equally, it could be the players are against the general running of the club, particularly, the owners.
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Yeah... this really sounds like the bunch of semi-adult millionaires who can't be arsed to run and who would play in Pjongjang if it would pay them well. Those players are behind him because they know that he will be the first one to fall.

Posh Red said:
Yeah I don’t really remember Pep saying anything like this
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I think Pep is giving credit where credit is due. Think he did it at least once or twice, remember one after a match against us that we won (after a combatative performance where Peps City team didn't seem to be willing to adjust their usual play to deal better with our counter qualities) and I think, he said something along the lines after a CL defeat, either for Bayern or City. Might be the one where they lost to Spurs when Poch got the better of him or one of the manages for Bayern where he seemed to want to make a point and just lost because he wasn't pragmatic.
 
RedOrange said:
The funny thing is you can't actually explain why the tactics failed, you just go by the result. Why don't you explain why the tactics didn't work in the Brighton match. It should be easy for a football genius like you.
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We all watched the game and saw what happened, the final result is part of the game, the most important part.

Any team can lose a football match, it's the way you lose the game that confirms if your team have issues or not.

The other part of your comment I will just ignore it
 
pocco said:
This isn't directly related to McTominay in terms of performance, but did anybody find his position strange against Brighton? Since signing Amrabat we've been expecting him to become a double pivot option with Casemiro. And at the weekend we all thought that's how McTominay would be deployed to try to provide a more solid shape to build from.



Instead he's in no man's land, too high up the pitch to defend but not high enough to press. He was literally useless due mainly to his position. I've no idea why he felt this diamond would work and what McTominay would offer in those spaces.



Where this concerns me is it makes me question how we'll use Amrabat. Or perhaps more importantly, Casemiro. We thought ETH would back down from his one 6 and two 8s idea, but he said that Amrabat can play behind Casemiro! Given everything we've seen so far, I think he's being genuine and that he'll push Casemiro further up the pitch. I don't know if this got discussed at the time but it seems bonkers to me. You'll have a natural DM playing as more of an 8, and an 8ish type player with limited defensive ability, playing as a 6. Throw the Mount conundrum in there and I can only see further tactical headaches.
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There are a few videos out there explaining our approach and how well (or not well) it worked and why. McToms un-involvement wasn't just due to the system, it is the player and he managed to be invisible in quite a few different ones. The system/approach itself made sense (extent might be debatable but it isn't 0) and it worked well for 20 minutes and decently for the rest, the issue was that Brighton found a way around our plan and capitalized while we seemingly didn't have an idea to adjust to their adjustments.

Agree to your mostly, just want to add that just because Amrabat may be deeper positioned than Casemiro, he doesn't necessarily has to play the defensive role. Think of Pirlo at Juve, he played behind Vidal and Pogba or Marchisio, he took the ball from the defenders and organized the buildup. He was the deepest midfielder, but he wasn't tasked with doing the dirty work. Systems can be made functional on a million different ways. That is a bit a dilemma right now - the sample set is too small and the injuries list too long to even try to grasp what ETHs plan A is. I agree though, that the midfielder we have aren't setting them up themselves in terms of "this is his best position". Adjustments will be needed. Probably a few pretty creative ones as well.
 
Tom Cato said:
Id interpret that as the physios not doing their job. Haalands injury problems vanished the moment he joined City
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Went to see Pep's Spanish doctor didn't he? A visit there and you'll gain endless stamina and much shorter injury recovery times.
 
Hoping for a point at least tomorrow. Also hoping that ETH comes up with something. Come on United!!
 
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