Sack him and bring back The chosen one.
Erik ten Hag | 2022/23 & 2023/24
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It's the most annoying thing. I like ETH and want him to stay but we already have people saying "wouldn't be surprised he walks". As if he's somehow above all this and as if he would actually do that in a million years.
Why didn’t we have any answer to them keeping the ball? We should have a plan in place to press them high and win back the ball.
Either EtH didn’t prepare for this (which would be catastrophic) or he isn’t able to teach the players his ideas (which also reflects negatively on him).
Either EtH didn’t prepare for this (which would be catastrophic) or he isn’t able to teach the players his ideas (which also reflects negatively on him).
Its so tiring going through this boom bust cycle. Naggelsman 100% if he's game.
I'm not saying we should sack him. I'm saying that with a proper structure, we can absolutely succeed whilst sacking managers frequently, as every top club does nowadays.
Sacking the manager is pointless unless you have someone you think can come in and make both an immediate impact, but also keep the team on an upward trajectory in the long term. EtH did that when he arrived, and it's really hard to judge at the moment because of how many injuries and off field issues there are.
Eventually we'll get players back and performances will improve, but we'll be lucky if it's in time to finish comfortably in the top 4. The team still lacks depth in certain areas, especially attack. People can keep going on about how much money he's spent, but in context it's still not enough. Chelsea's two CMs cost over £200m. The manager should get to the end of the season, and if they replace him then it should be somebody who can work with these players and also with some kind of long term strategy in place.
That's what Brighton had, and it's why they transitioned so seamlessly from Potter to De Zerbi.
Nah you can't blame personnel here. He put Eriksen in a role where he had to cover massive amounts of space, constantly. We all know his limitations, and he put him in a role that highlighted them. It's shit coaching. It's shit tactics. This is what he used to be good at. If he can't do that here, then replace before it's too late.
No idea why we changed the system when we were ok with it against Arsenal. It’s not right for us and we need to go back to what we usually play.
I'm not impressed overall, but I honestly don't know who comes in and does any better. This club is rotten, filled with soap opera-like drama. The only man who I think could steer through it retired in 2013.
Rightly or wrongly, I don't think he sees the end of the season. Not saying that's what I want. I don't even know what I want. I'm just so apathetic about everything to do with United.
Rightly or wrongly, I don't think he sees the end of the season. Not saying that's what I want. I don't even know what I want. I'm just so apathetic about everything to do with United.
If you sack ETH we'll probably become slightly better for a while and then we'll see a repeat like we have under every manager post SAF. We're just not the club we use to be.
He gets until the end of season but our form since the EFL championship has been awful.
I agree but for the time being we seem to be dependant on managers bringing the structure then sack them when the players don’t like it anymore
I think he's going to be sacked soon. I'll be at the Palace and Brentford games and both are deceptively difficult games. If we drop points in 1 or both of those after likely losing to Bayern, I could see us making the change.
Ha ha - Who do we get in after the Naggelsman project?
We need to stick by ETH 100%
Thank god i wasn't the only one to notice
Is it Harry Maguire player-manager time?
People have asked this question about 4 different managers. Do you think all 4 of them have failed to mention to him that he's supposed to look for passes sometimes and put effort in defensively?
If we sack him we really have no clue
I’m not overly worried about where we finish or anything. However, if we don’t start seeing a team enjoying their football and playing for each other then I’d have a hard time keeping Ten Hag.
Every team in the league seems to have more fun than we do. Our wins are undeserved or hard fought. Our defeats veer between chastening and embarrassing.
Every team in the league seems to have more fun than we do. Our wins are undeserved or hard fought. Our defeats veer between chastening and embarrassing.
Second this. Bayern was raving mad to sack him when they did.
Now i dont want to sound like a hypocrite, since i defended Ole for a long fecking time, but in the end it was mostly down to nostalic feelings and sunk cost fallacy where i felt the need to stick to my convictions despite all the evidence pointing elsewhere.
Now i dont mean to sound like a belligirent arse, but when it comes to ETH i suspect a lot of fans fell into the trap of sunk cost fallacy. They argued over and over he was a great coach, and instead of looking at the evidence they just get defensive instead.
I really, really hope ETH proves me wrong, but right now i dont really see a future where he is leading us to any major trophies
We will not sack him, stupid idea by some fans
Not when we signed him so in that sense de Zerbi is different.
I am well aware that ETH finished 3rd in his first season, but we are going backwards since April and have not played well or controlled a single game this season despite ETH spending 400m, which somehow is the Glazers fault. Will you stand by ETH if we finish outside top 6 this season?
As most have been saying it does not matter who the hell the manager is if the whole structure of the club is wrong from top to bottom. As long as the owners just see big sponsorship deals coming in they couldn't care less. That is all they are bothered about.
No they are not, they are absolutely clueless and cannot depend on one of the best managers of all times to bail them out.
Agree
Who has been mediocre so far, yeah great idea
I think it's becoming clear that we don't have the financial structure in terms of selling and buying the right players to entertain ideologues. It requires a substantial turnover in players to work and we just don't seem able or willing to do that. What we need are managers who have a reputation for taking the hand they are dealt and making it work, while slowly tweaking it into a better side.
We just need to stop being a meme of a club, and for that we need to be consistently good and not keep tossing hundreds of millions of pounds worth of talent on the scrap-heap the way we are doing. Other clubs with ideologues sell their players before their value dips and replace them with more suitable players, we sit on them for far too long until they become unsellable.
I am not advocating for the sacking of Ten Hag, but I do question how he's expected to succeed when the player turnover is so low, and he needs very specific types of players for things to work. It's clear this club needs a Carlo Ancelotti, but keeps looking for the next Guardiola.
Sacking him would be a terrible decision at this stage. But he has to get rid of some of his stubbornness and improve upon his in-game decision making.
They did enjoy themselves last season. I actually think off field situations and how it is affecting the dressing room and who is loyal to whom is causing issues.
Maybe all the bad ones post here!
This De Zerbi stuff is so tedious. He's proven pedigree with taking a good Brighton team with great togetherness, and a great footballing structure above him, and improving them, just like Potter before him, in a relatively low expectation environment. He doesn't have any proven pedigree dealing with the egos he'd run into at United, a huge club with poor (but improving with EtH) standards and a poor footballing structure above him, in one of the highest pressure jobs in the world.
We have become easy to play against. Opponents just get enough people in and around their box. We are hopeless to create any attacking moment. They then break to either wing to attack 4-to-3 or 5–to-5. We crumbled and left ample space in the center of our box. We are broken now. No matter which opponent to play against.
In this rate, it doesn’t look good. It’s not acceptable!
In this rate, it doesn’t look good. It’s not acceptable!
While I don't think he will be sacked soon, he is running out of time.
Personally I don't really care about the united way or good football, I want three points every match and if that is no possible I want the players to play every game like a final.
We are a very tepid team at the moment, and worst of all we are slowly getting used to it.
Personally I don't really care about the united way or good football, I want three points every match and if that is no possible I want the players to play every game like a final.
We are a very tepid team at the moment, and worst of all we are slowly getting used to it.
This. We were good vs Arsenal and Erik spoke about that game for two weeks how we looked good, should have won etc...
And then he does this.
Lets be honest now; last year he also had some baffling decisions which were costly (against Liverpool, Arsenal, Palace, Sevilla). Lots of mistakes for United manager.
Not sure I agree that he’s a terrible coach. Everybody here was doing cartwheels when we got him.
Now he’s here and we need to get behind him. We could’ve sacked him at full time today, announced De Zerbi as his replacement and nothing would change. Our issues go beyond who’s sat in the dugout.
Five games in I feel it’s ok to start forming opinions and we just look the same as we did under previous managers, without a real plan. There are a hell of a lot of distractions this year but I thought we’d start to see much more confidence and ability in possession by now - having said that Brighton are very good and we were much better vs Arsenal but signs are worrying.
I get behind the club, not the manager. He's a disposable employee.
That's what is most shocking for me losing is one thing but the way we lose is so poor.
He has been tactically outclassed far too many times already.
That and he is so slow to react and try to change anything then when he does it's head scratching what he attempts to do.
I don't believe the players are buying into what he is trying to do and it makes no difference how much time and money you give a manager. If the players do not have faith in him in its over
In February we were the most in form team in Europe. But nooo. EtH must go
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