What's with all the Martinez slander all of a sudden? He's a brilliant centre back and proved it last season. Of course other top clubs would want him I mean Arsenal wanted him last year before we came in for him.Martinez is not that great. He's Heinze reincarnated, i.e. someone that we all fall in love due to his attitude and spirit with but once we get a proper CB we will realize how misled we had been.
He's not terrible but none of the top clubs would ever look at him, really.
I think he's brilliant.Martinez is not that great. He's Heinze reincarnated, i.e. someone that we all fall in love due to his attitude and spirit with but once we get a proper CB we will realize how misled we had been.
He's not terrible but none of the top clubs would ever look at him, really.
This is an interesting take!!Martinez is not that great. He's Heinze reincarnated, i.e. someone that we all fall in love due to his attitude and spirit with but once we get a proper CB we will realize how misled we had been.
He's not terrible but none of the top clubs would ever look at him, really.
He’s an incredible player. I would like to see him in DM.Martinez is not that great. He's Heinze reincarnated, i.e. someone that we all fall in love due to his attitude and spirit with but once we get a proper CB we will realize how misled we had been.
He's not terrible but none of the top clubs would ever look at him, really.
So do i , but you are not submitting to the ETH out agenda. Get rid of ETH, Mount & Anthony and United will strive so adding Martinez is rubbish is not far jump for that group of fansI think he's brilliant.
I didn't really say he's rubbish. Just average.So do i , but you are not submitting to the ETH out agenda. Get rid of ETH, Mount & Anthony and United will strive so adding Martinez is rubbish is not far jump for that group of fans
I think he's brilliant.
Those takes have been going on since Ole's last season. Those posters will never admit how good he is, even when fellow professionals like De Bruyne rate him as the best.He is Brilliant. The amount of folk on here lately chatting absolute drivel is at an all time high. Check out the Bruno thread for some more hilariously bad takes.
He's good/great at passing and taking care of the ball, but only decent at the actual defending part.What's with all the Martinez slander all of a sudden? He's a brilliant centre back and proved it last season. Of course other top clubs would want him I mean Arsenal wanted him last year before we came in for him.
It's not even his attitude that made me fall in love with him as a player. It's how fecking good he is technically. He's the perfect modern day ball playing centre back and will be starting for us for years to come.
Bruno is awesome.He is Brilliant. The amount of folk on here lately chatting absolute drivel is at an all time high. Check out the Bruno thread for some more hilariously bad takes.
What's with all the Martinez slander all of a sudden? He's a brilliant centre back and proved it last season. Of course other top clubs would want him I mean Arsenal wanted him last year before we came in for him.
It's not even his attitude that made me fall in love with him as a player. It's how fecking good he is technically. He's the perfect modern day ball playing centre back and will be starting for us for years to come.
Oh absolutely but we're in this position because we've gone back on our supposed strategy of having a world class DOF and having that team largely dictating player transfers. We've already started on the "wrong footing".The problem with dismissing him after failing to deliver CL football next year is we'll have allowed another manager to change strategy and rebuild the team at a cost of close to half a billion, only to take a completely new direction immediately after he failed. At this point it feels like we are almost obliged to give him more time because we've invested so much into his vision. At some point we have to allow the manager to spend that £1bn (though at this pace it may be double that if we are spending this much on individual players) and invest into their ideas. If ETH goes, virtually none of the players he had signed (except maybe Onana) are likely to be that appealing to whoever our next manager is, and that manager would need to go out and replace half the team again. We can't go around in these circles endlessly.
You see, there are a fair number of bitter agendaposters who wanted Mourinho/Ole/Rangnick to stay, or wanted Pochettino hired instead of Ten Hag, and have made it their life's mission to convince the rest of the Caf that ten Hag is a fraud and should be immediately fired.
Martinez is a fan favorite, a successful signing that ten Hag is obviously almost entirely responsible for signing. The fact that he's very good causes huge amounts of cognitive dissonance in the minds of Ten Hag haters, so they either have to pretend he doesn't exist or that he's terrible. These people will pipe up more when the squad or Martinez hits inevitable patches of bad form.
It's best to just ignore these posters, as they can only really be fans of United if they feel the club reflects something positive about them, say, for example, that they predicted some player or manager would be great before anyone else.
Well we've already started so we may as well continue instead of changing our strategy. We've given him huge funds and complete freedom in picking his targets, so backtracking on that after mere two years just because this approach failed may not be the best choice.Oh absolutely but we're in this position because we've gone back on our supposed strategy of having a world class DOF and having that team largely dictating player transfers. We've already started on the "wrong footing".
Yeah I don't rate Martinez very highly because I wanted Rangnick to stay, not because our defense with him and Varane was not particularly good last season or because he happened to be on the pitch and be quite awful in some of our worst defensive performances of recent years. It's all because of my deep desire to still have Ralf Rangnick as our manager. That's a perfect assessment, thank you.
I do have a sneaky feeling that this is the final roll of the dice for us under the Glazers. If he fails that's us finished as a regular CL club. Hopefully that compels the Glazers to sell.Well we've already started so we may as well continue instead of changing our strategy. We've given him huge funds and complete freedom in picking his targets, so backtracking on that after mere two years just because this approach failed may not be the best choice.
For what it's worth I think we'll finish 4th/5th. I think he's a good enough manager to consistently have us in CL spots, while not really competing for major trophies, and we kind of need that stability. I think we'll have a largely similar season to last, where we dispose of weaker teams, have occasional blunders and get frequently murdered by good teams away from home. Which is to be fair better than what we had before.
He's good/great at passing and taking care of the ball, but only decent at the actual defending part.
Let's see this season, we were quite bad defensively last year, which was down to De Gea, now that we have the second most expensive goalkeeper in the world there should be no excuses and we should not be conceding 40+ goals again.
He's by no means our biggest issue, or probably an issue at all, but he's not the amazing, great defender many perceive him to be. Varane is on another level when fit.
We conceded 17 of 43 goals in three matches last season, and still allowed the 4th fewest goals in the league. Those are statistical outliers by any measure, so to say our defense wasn’t particularly good is just factually incorrectYeah I don't rate Martinez very highly because I wanted Rangnick to stay, not because our defense with him and Varane was not particularly good last season or because he happened to be on the pitch and be quite awful in some of our worst defensive performances of recent years. It's all because of my deep desire to still have Ralf Rangnick as our manager. That's a perfect assessment, thank you.
Cycle continues…we spend lots of money on players that aren’t worth it and then can’t buy the players we actually need.The cycle continues.
Hire new manager.
Bring in some new players.
Do okay in first season.
Get back in CL.
Have a shit transfer window.
Have a shit season.
Sack manager.
Repeat.
When you can't even acknowledge that Martinez is a great passer, that shows your clear agenda.
Onana is 4th most expensive after Kepa, Allison, Buffon. That is also now in a much inflated market which distorts the comparison. Another example of your agenda.
Well we can’t just dismiss games though. The fact that we managed to concede so many goals in virtually all our away games against good, offensive teams is obviously concerning.We conceded 17 of 43 goals in three matches last season, and still allowed the 4th fewest goals in the league. Those are statistical outliers by any measure, so to say our defense wasn’t particularly good is just factually incorrect
This will continue endlessly as long as we allow managers to dictate recruitment and squad building.The cycle continues.
Hire new manager.
Bring in some new players.
Do okay in first season.
Get back in CL.
Have a shit transfer window.
Have a shit season.
Sack manager.
Repeat.
Nobody is dismissing it, but the bottom line is they are statistical outliers, so you definitely can't dismiss the remaining 35 matches in which we conceded 26 goals.Well we can’t just dismiss games though. The fact that we managed to concede so many goals in virtually all our away games against good, offensive teams is obviously concerning.
Recruitment should have been taken away from the managers long ago. They should be free to recommend players but should have the final say.Cycle continues…we spend lots of money on players that aren’t worth it and then can’t buy the players we actually need.
Every manager has been backed financially to the point that they should have had a team that could at least compete comfortably for top 4. That’s never happened cause our transfers both in and out of the club have been horrendous.
Martinez is not that great. He's Heinze reincarnated, i.e. someone that we all fall in love due to his attitude and spirit with but once we get a proper CB we will realize how misled we had been.
He's not terrible but none of the top clubs would ever look at him, really.
Weren't Arsenal in for him too? Heinze played for Real Madrid BTW.
Martinez is one of the better centre backs in the league, and Europe for sure.
I don't want us to be the team that signs players for the manager without his input either. The manager should always have the option to veto a player. The manager should also suggest players he wants and the CEO or director if we had one, can veto that player. Our transfers appear to be done for money reasons only with little footballing reasons. I mean, yeah, we're signing footballers but they don't fit, or we pay over the real valuation or high wages to get the player to come. We've had very few successful signings since Woodward was in charge and have spent over a billion on transfers and wages. It's a toxic cycle and the only way it will break is when the club is sold.This will continue endlessly as long as we allow managers to dictate recruitment and squad building.
3. Games. In.The cycle continues.
Hire new manager.
Bring in some new players.
Do okay in first season.
Get back in CL.
Have a shit transfer window.
Have a shit season.
Sack manager.
Repeat.
This will continue endlessly as long as we allow managers to dictate recruitment and squad building.
There's a certain kind of fan who gets off on the soap opera rather than the matches. Maybe it's a TV thing. They have a vested interest in getting the pitchforks out. I see what ETF is trying to do, and I think his excellent performance last season shows he's worth backing.First 50 games most successful of any manager we’ve ever had.
A win percentage in his first 50 that only Pep can better.
Inherited dross with broken confidence.
Got third and two finals one cup.
This season.
Won 2 out of 3, hasn’t played well so far and suddenly the pitchforks are out. We could have a great game against Arsenal and lose to a dodgy decision and some will be threatening to not watch us again until he’s sacked
Depends on your expectations. Do you want to be in (upper) midtable? Then the occasional defensive disaster can be tolerated, as long as the rest of the season looks like it did defensively. Do you want to be challenging for the title? Then you must iron out those matches, then it is irrelevant how many decent defensive performances you had.Nobody is dismissing it, but the bottom line is they are statistical outliers, so you definitely can't dismiss the remaining 35 matches in which we conceded 26 goals.
Depends on your expectations. Do you want to be in (upper) midtable? Then the occasional defensive disaster can be tolerated, as long as the rest of the season looks like it did defensively. Do you want to be challenging for the title? Then you most iron out those matches, then it is irrelevant how many decent defensive performances you had.
Then it indicates a risky season, because it shows a lack of stability and you can't be sure how often this will be exposed over the course of the season. Last season it worked out well, but one couldn't be sure about this.What if you want to be top 4 which was our aim last year? In which case those type of showings do happen. Can't happen again though this year, cuz not happening again is a sign of progress.
No he does not, we need to get better. Stop handing these managers an open checkbook to go out and pick who the feck they know. Get a structure in place that builds a squad and adds to that squad based on facts and data not who I worked with last time.Once the new owners are in, ETH needs to get better at transfers or he could be in trouble
Spent most of his budget on Antony.There's a certain kind of fan who gets off on the soap opera rather than the matches. Maybe it's a TV thing. They have a vested interest in getting the pitchforks out. I see what ETF is trying to do, and I think his excellent performance last season shows he's worth backing.
I wonder if the club would still have appointed him if they knew he had this habit of only signing players he worked with before. I always wanted Erik over Pochettino but then I didn't realise about this obsession he had when saying that
Spent most of his budget on Antony.
Unable to get rid of Maguire, and made him captain last season.
The only manager ever who couldn’t get Ronaldo to score goals.
Got Weighorst to replace the greatest goalscorer of all time.
Lost 4-0 to Brentford
Lost 6-3 to City
Lost 3-1 to Villa
Lost 4-2 to Cadiz (who???)
Lost 7-0 to Liverpool (no manager should survive that result)
Royally fecked up the tie against Sevilla with weird subs yet again, when we were in great position to get to the semi finals.
1 point against top 9 teams away from home last season.
Yeah, excellent performance last year from the dutch Brendan Rodgers. Can’t wait to see what he’ll do with Cucurella, Mount and Reguilón this season.
Is Moyes still on our payroll? Because we could really use him right now.
