Erik ten Hag | 2022/23 & 2023/24

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I don’t get what you mean?

Scoring late against Wolves when the pattern of the game was well established didn’t change the mood. We just had to try and hang on to the result.

If we had scored in the first half today when we played reasonably well then that may have given us the confidence and space to take charge of the game properly.

Ever heard the saying ‘you need to score when you are on too’? That is especially true for our team because we don’t score enough generally.
So what we didn't score when we "should have" it does not excuse the collapse in the 2nd half.
 
Read a little, there's enough evidence of it being reported ffs

Same reports also said a takeover could mean an extra 70m could be spent, I wonder why that is?
 
The guys a bluffer . He’s spent big money on players from Ajax who let’s be honest are not good enough , the disrespect he has shown to the club captain , the keeper and one of the greatest players ever is off the scale .. why would any top class player want to play under him ? He’s constantly saying players are “ not playing to the rules “ ..he stands on the touch line like a headmaster scowling but from what I have seen not actually making decisions that change the game…. Reminds me of the post Busby - Pre Fergie era .. many are called few succeed.
Jesus wept.
 
Its not really the same though. Blockbuster and Netflix provided the same service, but the techonlogical platform was completely different, and the latter won because it had a massive techonlogical advantage. City, RM and Bayern still have to abide by the same rules as we do, they just do it better.

I hate the Glazers as much as the next United fan, but they are not involved in the day to day running of the club and ETH should be held to the same standards as any manager and player before them

But that is why the anolgy works, we are on a completely different technological platform to the rest of then. The competition and those below have advanced while we have stood stil and that is clear to see but lower clubs who historically should have no right to be on our level will out surpass us and play better football and should or will eventually finish above us ie Brigtion, Brentford, Newcastle and Spurs.

It's coming and has been for a long time, the sooner we accept it the less painful it will be.
 
What happened to that young, black kid that played against arsenal?

Play him instead of mount and get a Bruno replacement that can actually keep the ball under pressure.

provided the kid is available of course

Do you mean Tom Heaton? We are giving Onana a go.
 
It is a bit of an issue that we have basically asked him to pick players to sign, and he clearly has zero idea what he’s doing in the market. As a result we’ve spent almost half a billion and the next manager would maybe keep Martinez and Onana, at best Hojlund if he works out.

I personally think he’s an average manager. Our big game performances have arguably been worse than under Ole (definitely worse if we overlook Ole’s disastrous final months as we had actually been decent in big games prior to that).
 
If we actually get Qatar as new owners, hes going to be under alot of pressure
 
ETH is a good coach but let’s be honest - his footy isn’t exciting in the slightest and his signings this window were really, really odd.

He did really well last season but the above, coupled with the negative effects of what the Glazers have done means it will be a long season for him imo.

I think Utd will really struggle for Top 5 this season.

I just don’t see the momentum there, and I think his signings are highly suspect.
Are you telling us Onana and Hoijland are odd signings?
 
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Last season was promising because the results were good despite several mitigating factors. It’s almost like because of the lack of striker, the busy schedule etc ETH had to be pragmatic and we were largely accepting of that.

This year it almost seems like teething problems of trying to play a different way. It’s clearly not working as intended yet but I don’t think he’ll give up on it as quickly this year.

I think last season people really overlooked the fact that Chelsea were non existent and Liverpool collapsed - and even then, we almost fecked up top 4. It’s as if people thought last season wasn’t an outlier when it clearly was.

He did well last season, winning a cup was fecking awesome and he’s a likeable coach imo - this season will be A LOT tougher, made all the more difficult by what I believe is a bad transfer window.
 
All this gloom is very hasty. We need to give the system and the new players a dozen games at least. It’s annoying but sometimes you have to go backwards to go forwards.
Not only that but we still aren't playing with someone who's a natural striker, and are using our best wide player in an unnatural position to compensate for the lack of a striker. That'll hopefully improve our attacking output, but I have to admit that I think that we'd be better off with an Amrabat-Casemiro-Bruno/Mount combination than Casemiro-Bruno-Mount as the benefit of the double 8/10 is not obvious to me.
 
All this gloom is very hasty. We need to give the system and the new players a dozen games at least. It’s annoying but sometimes you have to go backwards to go forwards.
I still have faith/hope in ETH but I don't see that as being a good excuse when we've seen plenty of managers takeover a struggling team and see their style of play transition very quickly. Last season the results were generally decent but I never thought we were particularly impressive.

This slow start is a bit concerning since he's spent the best part of nearly £400m and we look a little clueless. It's early in the season but the signs were there last season which has me a bit worried. He can turn things around and I'm still backing him but I have my doubts with ETH now.

We don't look like a team that is just missing one final piece and I hope fans don't pin all their hopes on our new striker to make things tick.
 
Also. We've signed three players.

Just three players.

When was the last summer we signed so few?
 
Are you telling is Onana and Hoijland are odd signings?

I believe Hojlund and Mount are very odd signings and a highly questionable way to blow £110m.

I also believe Antony was a complete waste of £90m - comically bad transfer.

Onana’s fecking class and I was over the moon with his signing from get go (just as I was underwhelmed with the others), as my post history will show.
 
What collapse? I get that we got outplayed 2nd half but it was hardly a collapse was it.
Did you not see the players shat the bed in that 2nd half? Losing their heads and long balling it, losing the ball constantly and failing to defend properly?
 
Ange can go in to Spurs and player better than we ever have since he joined. How is this possible?
 
Ole started the 19/20 season with 3 league wins in our first ten games, including 3 defeats and never came close to the sack.

Anyone thinking ETH is actually under pressure after 2 games is deluding themselves.
 
Are you telling is Onana and Hoijland are odd signings?
Højlund could be called that. We badly needed an instant striker upgrade and instead we bought a very, very raw work in progress at a heavily inflated price.
 
It is a bit of an issue that we have basically asked him to pick players to sign, and he clearly has zero idea what he’s doing in the market. As a result we’ve spent almost half a billion and the next manager would maybe keep Martinez and Onana, at best Hojlund if he works out.

I personally think he’s an average manager. Our big game performances have arguably been worse than under Ole (definitely worse if we overlook Ole’s disastrous final months as we had actually been decent in big games prior to that).
Not currently a popular opinion on Caf, but I genuinely think that Martinez won’t start under the new manager. He has too many weaknesses in his game. Likely would be a quite good squad player but he is essentially an expensive Heinze, Blind, Ake level of player.
 
He needs to address our away from especially against the top half teams.
He also needs to address why we are always shit for that fifteen minute period after half time.
 
Ole started the 19/20 season with 3 league wins in our first ten games, including 3 defeats and never came close to the sack.

Anyone thinking ETH is actually under pressure after 2 games is deluding themselves.

He wont be sacked of course, we never sack managers in their second year early. He will get sacked once we dont reach the CL at the end of the season.
 
What happened to that young, black kid that played against arsenal?

Play him instead of mount and get a Bruno replacement that can actually keep the ball under pressure.

provided the kid is available of course
I know that this may be nitpicking but I will advise you to be weary with describing people like this on a forum.

I know it might be okay to describe people like this if you are among your mates but not on a global forum. This is not me saying you are being a racist at all, just advising you.

To your question, the kid is injured and his name is Mainoo. Anyways, we should not be relying on the kid if ETH has not been stubborn and gone to Mount who in most people's opinion, he was not the right profile of player we needed in that midfield.
 
He wont be sacked of course, we never sack managers in their second year early. He will get sacked once we dont reach the CL.

Some seem to actually believe he's under pressure, though. He done relatively well last season so he won't be under any pressure whatsoever. But, the early signs this season look concerning.
 
Højlund could be called that. We badly needed an instant striker upgrade and instead we bought a very, very raw work in progress at a heavily inflated price.
Such a player considered good enough wasn't available so we got the next best thing
 
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