The irony of your argument is really lost on you isn't it
Eric Dier | Poch: “He is an important player for us and the idea is not to sell him."
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Do you honestly think Chelsea, Liverpool, City would spend 40m for him right now when they have better players and there are better options out there?The irony of your argument is really lost on you isn't it
He has performed decently for Spurs but so has Can for Liverpool, maybe United should consider a cheeky 50m bid for him? He has played consistently for a top 4 team least season, so he must be good right? This is just poor logic.
My argument is no top 6 team (Excluding spurs ofcourse because they already have him
) right now would spend a shit load of money to sign an average squad player.Dier playing primarily as a midfield anchor last season was immense; fecking about in different positions has ruined his confidence and his continuity, but he has it in him to be a top player in a very specific role deeper.
Not to mention, if a move to United is pending and advanced behind the scenes, that would impact on his focus and as a result performances anyway.
Not to mention, if a move to United is pending and advanced behind the scenes, that would impact on his focus and as a result performances anyway.
That us just not true. With is he would rarely be paired with an inconsistent winger, in center midfield vs world class midfield partnerships.
I agree. Was it a shambles? Yes. Was it unexpected? Not really. Where would they have got the confidence from to do that better from? Especially appearing for the first time, as a midfield pair, vs one of the best international midfield's, in the midfield's home country, for an England still searching for the right system, implementing a new possession based philsophy and players to use going forward, and with no prior record of acing it vs big boys. Its no surprise they wilted in such bright lights. Looking at it objectively, one shouldn't be too hard on them. They will have learned loads from the experienc me and should become better for it.
I get he isn't your favorite. That's fair enough. But he is most definitely not just about physique. He is actually intelligent and has better technique on the ball than he is given credit for. People need a serious look back at his season for Spurs in the role, before Wanyama arrived. He was essential to their relentless pressing and a superb link between defence and midfield plus an excellent shield. Plus the recycler of possesion in chief. Right now he'd suit us because 1) He'd be ace at the dirty work 2) He is good enough on the ball and quick 3) He can drop in between our CBS to allow our fullbacks to bomb forward like Makelele used to at Chelsea, improving our overall attacking thrust 4) He is excellent at recycling possession and would improve our pressing 5) He is enough of a water carrier to enable Pogba and Herrera to be free to impose their attacking game with their big engines on opposing midfield's. Especially DMs. Its true they are players more talented out there for such a job. But few will need as little setting in time as he. For me he would be the equivalent of City's signing of Milner. Who in my mind was an utter success for their transformation into perrenial contenders. Inspire of being an utterly unfancied player. Some times you just need an Ambrosini or Gatusso to push you up a level. To help your talented ones have the platform to truly shine.
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Christ, we're not being linked with him again are we?
I was thinking the same when I saw this thread bumped. This transfer could potentially undo all the good feelings from any big money transfer we'd do during the summer. He's not even an exciting player for the Tottenham fans. He's the equivalent to Lingard in excitement. Just let it go.Christ, we're not being linked with him again are we?
Christ, we're not being linked with him again are we?
No and there hasnt been a credible link to Dier for a good long while, people losing the plot for no reason.
No thanks
Nothing more exciting than to sign a player to help us battle Liverpool and Arsenal for 5th or 6th position in the league every year.
Yes thanks
Massively overrated player. Hasn't got the Carrick like football brain nor the Kante energy and agility. Really do not want.
This has to be nonsense, if nothing else than for the fee he would command, particularly compared to alternatives.
There's clearly a huge guessing element in transfer talk click bait (Club A are weak in position Y = link to player Z), additionally this story attracts the fans from both us and Spurs - another big club. Add in the fact it would be a controversial move (not "glamorous" enough for us / Spurs selling an important-ish player to a rival) and it starts to make a lot of sense as a story to sell papers but not a lot from a football perspective.
So this has a stink to it. Unless it doesn't. I haven't convinced myself at all tbh.
There's clearly a huge guessing element in transfer talk click bait (Club A are weak in position Y = link to player Z), additionally this story attracts the fans from both us and Spurs - another big club. Add in the fact it would be a controversial move (not "glamorous" enough for us / Spurs selling an important-ish player to a rival) and it starts to make a lot of sense as a story to sell papers but not a lot from a football perspective.
So this has a stink to it. Unless it doesn't. I haven't convinced myself at all tbh.
Hopefully just silly rumors.
I agree with this. People are far too quick to write him off.
He does get overrated but he's being underrated on here right now because Pogba walked all over him yesterday.
Well, first of all on his day Pogba can walk all over any midfielder. Secondly, Dier and Oxlade-Chamberlain clearly didn't have a clue what they were doing as a partnership. Dier seemed to have been told to press, but that kept taking him ahead of the Ox, who definitely shouldn't ever be any team's deepest midfielder, and left big gaps all over the place which Pogba was gleefully exploiting. Clearly that isn't a problem Dier will encounter at club level.
One bad game shouldn't write off the fact that he's basically been great for Spurs for two seasons running now. I wouldn't want us to pay silly money for him (which, with Levy, essentially means not bothering), but if we were to end up with him I definitely wouldn't complain. Remember, no-one was losing their minds over Carrick either when we first signed him.
If there is a gulf between Dier and Fabinho, it's exaggerated by the fact that almost everyone on the caf will have seen more of the former than the latter, and plenty will only have seen the latter at all in highlights and on YouTube.
Well, first of all on his day Pogba can walk all over any midfielder. Secondly, Dier and Oxlade-Chamberlain clearly didn't have a clue what they were doing as a partnership. Dier seemed to have been told to press, but that kept taking him ahead of the Ox, who definitely shouldn't ever be any team's deepest midfielder, and left big gaps all over the place which Pogba was gleefully exploiting. Clearly that isn't a problem Dier will encounter at club level.
One bad game shouldn't write off the fact that he's basically been great for Spurs for two seasons running now. I wouldn't want us to pay silly money for him (which, with Levy, essentially means not bothering), but if we were to end up with him I definitely wouldn't complain. Remember, no-one was losing their minds over Carrick either when we first signed him.
If there is a gulf between Dier and Fabinho, it's exaggerated by the fact that almost everyone on the caf will have seen more of the former than the latter, and plenty will only have seen the latter at all in highlights and on YouTube.
to lose out on griezmann and end up with this guy and perisic in the same transfer window would just stink.
Would like to see fabinho vs Eric dier highlights when Tottenham faced Monaco.
Griezmann not coming to United this transfer window is very commendable on his part and something we should applaud because it's a refreshing act of loyalty by him. Once AM's ban is lifted, it's open hunting season and let's see where he goes.
Good grief, if you rate every transfer by how "exciting" they are, you're just setting yourself up for disappointment. Surely you know how important functional players can be to a team?
For me it's got nothing to do with overrating, fancy names or Pogba making a mug of him the other night, I don't know why a negative view of a player has to be constantly discredited. I'm sure plenty of posters here have seen a lot of Spurs over the last 2 seasons and have also seen plenty of Monaco last season as lots of us enjoy watching other leagues and access to seeing them is plentiful these days, but forget Fabinho, I just don't want Dier, I'd rather see us use Herrera as the holder and add a different type of CM to the mix, Dier lacks the agility and ground coverage to partner Pogba.
It's getting really tiresome.
Agreed, every time someone says they don't rate a player the response is "Put down FM and switch off Youtube!" as if nobody here watches any football bar United games.
He was dire against France the other day. pun intended
I reckon he would just be another Schneiderlin. Pochettino seems to be able to get a lot more than most out of just pretty good players, hence why Liverpool kept raiding Southampton but not improving so much.
If Jose wants Dier, it surely means he's going for the Champions League as well. Maybe not yet this season but for the near future, absolutely yes. It might take some time but i can finally understand what style of game Mourinho wants this United to play.
Most people don't know a couple things about Jose. One thing is that he is, in fact, an experimentalist, when it comes to tactical systems. People too often associate him to defensive football, when in reality, he has been changing styles between every team he has managed, sometimes even during the same seasons. I could give you the practical examples but i'm rather lazy right now. The truth is, Jose's tactical system has been transforming, and to a degree, being cooked and developed. But during all those spells and since the start of his career, he has kept some stuff constant, which is the massive desire to win. Like cracking a Virus, or unlocking the most success ratio through complex systems.
The other thing is that most people are unaware of Mourinho's sense of honour, despite looking like a cnut sometimes. So it's fair to say he will not disappoint true United fans. Since i'm some kind of a humble tactical guru i can also tell you some details, if this deal goes through, like you should expect a very physical team in all places. Defending as a unit composed of athletes of superior capabilities, that can overpower and/or outsmart opposing attackers. And also physical in a sense that the team does very quick transitions, be them attacking or defending. Higher speeds in all team means overall off the ball movement is quicker. The attacking will be a false nine that links very well and leaves opposing defenders in check with his prowess. Just right behind, a mobile and vertical 10, just like Anderson Talisca (another signing i suspect will be made) that can score goals and drag defenders with vertical movement and excellent off the ball capabilities, coupled by two marauding wingers ready to timely burst into 1-2s and quick combinations with the 9 and the 10 but also with the fullbacks and other mids (Pogba roams around the more attacking 10, and links well with wingers and false 9, with his fabulous close control skills).
Dier slots in as a holding defensive mid. Him or someone else with a little bit more pace to grab those dead balls when both Pogba and the 10 are too balanced in attack. I still think Danilo Pereira would be better for that.
Cheers
Most people don't know a couple things about Jose. One thing is that he is, in fact, an experimentalist, when it comes to tactical systems. People too often associate him to defensive football, when in reality, he has been changing styles between every team he has managed, sometimes even during the same seasons. I could give you the practical examples but i'm rather lazy right now. The truth is, Jose's tactical system has been transforming, and to a degree, being cooked and developed. But during all those spells and since the start of his career, he has kept some stuff constant, which is the massive desire to win. Like cracking a Virus, or unlocking the most success ratio through complex systems.
The other thing is that most people are unaware of Mourinho's sense of honour, despite looking like a cnut sometimes. So it's fair to say he will not disappoint true United fans. Since i'm some kind of a humble tactical guru i can also tell you some details, if this deal goes through, like you should expect a very physical team in all places. Defending as a unit composed of athletes of superior capabilities, that can overpower and/or outsmart opposing attackers. And also physical in a sense that the team does very quick transitions, be them attacking or defending. Higher speeds in all team means overall off the ball movement is quicker. The attacking will be a false nine that links very well and leaves opposing defenders in check with his prowess. Just right behind, a mobile and vertical 10, just like Anderson Talisca (another signing i suspect will be made) that can score goals and drag defenders with vertical movement and excellent off the ball capabilities, coupled by two marauding wingers ready to timely burst into 1-2s and quick combinations with the 9 and the 10 but also with the fullbacks and other mids (Pogba roams around the more attacking 10, and links well with wingers and false 9, with his fabulous close control skills).
Dier slots in as a holding defensive mid. Him or someone else with a little bit more pace to grab those dead balls when both Pogba and the 10 are too balanced in attack. I still think Danilo Pereira would be better for that.
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Makes sense to sign him, he's young, speaks Portuguese and has lived in Europe as a young man making him eminently qualified to represent the club in long reflective articles about English players who are leading the way in being modern.
I don't mind to take him on a free and hang around in the reserves. To pay money for that, no
Are you drunk or Guillem Balague or both? Lol wtf
I like Dier and he's one of those players that goes under the radar and just keeps a team ticking along. Good physical presence too. He's silkier on the ball than Fellaini and would comfortably slot into our midfield. Is he the best of his sort out there ? That much is open to debate but I certainly wouldn't be disullusioned if we did sign him.
You just know he's our number 1 target. Can see this one picking up speed after Morata.
What relevance does that have?
We certainly need a DM. I don't think this would be a bad of a signing as everyone is making out.
Dier would add good quality to our squad, alternating the DM role with Carrick and also being able to cover defensive positions if we have an injury crisis.
He is solid in DM, he can break up play and lay it on simple to Pogba/Herrera.
Big question is - would Fabinho be a better signing? He looks a good player, and majority would say yes. Big plus with Dier is he knows the league and would fit right in, and make one of our rival teams weaker.
I'd be happy with either Fabinho or Dier, I think the stick and hate Dier is getting here is a bit OTT. He's no Ronaldo or Mess or Griezmann, but he is someone who can perform a role for the TEAM that we desperately need
Dier would add good quality to our squad, alternating the DM role with Carrick and also being able to cover defensive positions if we have an injury crisis.
He is solid in DM, he can break up play and lay it on simple to Pogba/Herrera.
Big question is - would Fabinho be a better signing? He looks a good player, and majority would say yes. Big plus with Dier is he knows the league and would fit right in, and make one of our rival teams weaker.
I'd be happy with either Fabinho or Dier, I think the stick and hate Dier is getting here is a bit OTT. He's no Ronaldo or Mess or Griezmann, but he is someone who can perform a role for the TEAM that we desperately need
Just absolutely no plus spurs will want stupid money not to mention the add on English player tax!!
A bit rough perhaps? Another noise off about Dier. Although if we are genuinely interested Mourinho will have his reasons.
Absolutely. I just don't think we need functional players right now. We're solid enough, we need flair.
Most important signing for us will be a natural DM this summer.
A striker will help replace Zlatan of course, but the team needs balance and a DM will bring this
I think we probably did enquire but we baulked quite rightly at the price.
So you'd rather we left the money go into the Glazers pockets, is it? Why do people care what we spend if we have a budget to actually spend! I'd rather we bought some Brittish players to be honest. Having a team full of foreigners doesn't sit well with me. Fergie always wanted that way, and in part it helped us be so damn successful. Dier is a very good player. Can pass, shoot, tackle, play multiple positions and is a Utd fan. What's not to like? Oh yeah, his name doesn't end in 'inho'. Pogba schooled him the other night but he does that to nearly everyone he plays against.
I agree with this. With United's lack of firepower they simply cannot carry a central midfielder who provides so little attacking threat. Add a world class front 3 and this might be a different story but he is not what the club needs right now.
My other concern with him is that he plays in an extremely well coached team. Like many of the Spurs players, I don't think they would be anywhere near as impressive in another team. Which will make them extremely over priced and very poor value.