Eric Dier | Poch: “He is an important player for us and the idea is not to sell him."

Do you want United to sign Eric Dier?

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There was widespread depression when we signed Carrick with many feeling he didn't get involved in games enough and wasn't fit to lace Keanes boots and he turned out okay. Dier would be a great addition here no matter how poorly he has played recently. You can't spend a season not playing a position and then be expected to thrive there in a one off game. Herrera looked rubbish until he was given a proper run in central mid. Pogba too. Dier was brilliant as a DM in the season before last and that fact can not be argued.
 
Played in the best English team over the last two seasons. Better than what we have. Likeable, consistent, don't care what we spend. If he came, he'd improve us.
 
Will end up like Schnederlin if we sign him
 
Can't believe people think he's technical enough for us in midfield. Comparisons with Carrick are crazy and lazy - Carrick was an incredibly cultured player even at West Ham.

Dier reminds me more of Phil Jones - not quite a great CB so coaches try to fit him in somewhere, and he's okay.

Madness to go after him when specialists are available for less.
 
Beachryan said:
Can't believe people think he's technical enough for us in midfield. Comparisons with Carrick are crazy and lazy - Carrick was an incredibly cultured player even at West Ham.

Dier reminds me more of Phil Jones - not quite a great CB so coaches try to fit him in somewhere, and he's okay.

Madness to go after him when specialists are available for less.
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Are you saying Dier is the new new Duncan Edwards?
 
Now this would be the one that would anger me. Give me perisic all day long but this guy just sucks
 
He is no Jordan Henderson, that's for sure.
 
Champagne Football said:
There was widespread depression when we signed Carrick with many feeling he didn't get involved in games enough and wasn't fit to lace Keanes boots and he turned out okay. Dier would be a great addition here no matter how poorly he has played recently. You can't spend a season not playing a position and then be expected to thrive there in a one off game. Herrera looked rubbish until he was given a proper run in central mid. Pogba too. Dier was brilliant as a DM in the season before last and that fact can not be argued.
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If "brilliant DM" means he played like an extra centre-back in midfield then sure, he was brilliant. Otherwise he's bleurgh.
 
So much hate on here towards him....luckily for Eric Dier, Pocchettino and seemingly Mourinho rate him very highly.

He's badly out of form at the minute but that's temporary; Pogba was woeful at times last season, it happens, especially without clarity on the role you're playing.
 
sullydnl said:
If "brilliant DM" means he played like an extra centre-back in midfield then sure, he was brilliant. Otherwise he's bleurgh.
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Yeah, it might encourage Mourinho to take the shackles off Shaw or even Mitchell at leftback and allow them to parallel what Valencia is authorised to do going forward on the other side.
 
There is no way of finding out if Dier is good enough for us without signing him. Remember the same bullshitters comment when we were linked with Mane? That Mane tore the opponents from Liverpool last season. There are other countless examples. If Jose wants Dier, he surely sees something in him. He might be a flop but he can be a hit too. The possibility is 50/50 just like most of the other signings.
 
POF said:
I agree with this. With United's lack of firepower they simply cannot carry a central midfielder who provides so little attacking threat. Add a world class front 3 and this might be a different story but he is not what the club needs right now.
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Honestly this makes so little sense. United's lack of firepower had nothing to do with our midfield. Our midfield was actually incredibly creative, putting us right up there in the 'chances created' and 'key passes' stat tables. The problem was that no-one was reliably finishing off that surfeit of chances.

A central midfielder who doesn't carry attacking threat is effectively exactly what we're looking for. A defensive midfielder. We've got plenty of good creative midfielders and #10s. What we need is a Carrick replacement for those games (against the better sort of opposition) when Herrera-Pogba is too defensively flimsy. I'm not saying that player should be Dier, but it definitely isn't a position that we should be evaluating based on 'attacking threat'.
 
We would massively regret spending this sort of money on Dier. He'd just be another space-filler English player earning more money than he should be.

He will not improve us in the slightest.
 
Do not want. He's not even a DM ffs! I'd rather get someone who isn't so limited on the ball.
 
Brightonian said:
Honestly this makes so little sense. United's lack of firepower had nothing to do with our midfield. Our midfield was actually incredibly creative, putting us right up there in the 'chances created' and 'key passes' stat tables. The problem was that no-one was reliably finishing off that surfeit of chances.

A central midfielder who doesn't carry attacking threat is effectively exactly what we're looking for. A defensive midfielder. We've got plenty of good creative midfielders and #10s. What we need is a Carrick replacement for those games (against the better sort of opposition) when Herrera-Pogba is too defensively flimsy. I'm not saying that player should be Dier, but it definitely isn't a position that we should be evaluating based on 'attacking threat'.
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That might be what you are looking for but I hope United have different ideas.

For a top club, the most important thing is being able to break teams down. Failing to do so cost United dearly last season. They just didn't have enough attacking quality to get the goals they needed.

You can get that attacking quality in a number of ways. If you have world class attacking players like Real or Barca you need a pure defensive shield like Casemiro or Busquets.

United have rarely had that (apart from Ronaldo) and as a result have needed goals from all areas of the team. United rarely played with a pure defensive midfield player who didn't contribute offensively. If you have a player like that, it puts more pressure on your forwards. There just isn't the quality in this United attack.

United played quite a defensive game in the Europa league final with Herrera and Pogba as the deepest two in midfield. Both have developed the defensive side of their game this season and if supported by another (more offensive or similar) central midfielder, there won't be many games where that is too flimsy. If it is, they still have Carrick who can shield the back 4.

I believe they will look for another multi functional midfielder who can defend well but create and produce attacking quality. If they don't get that or another forward on top of Morata and Perisic, they will have failed to address the biggest weakness in last season's team.
 
UnrelatedPsuedo said:
I don't know what part you're disagreeing with.
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Everything bolded. Best English team who subsequently ended up 3rd and 2nd in the league, far behind the winners in those two seasons, having won grand total of nothing during that time; he's not better than either Pogba nor Herrera, I don't even think he could perform the infamous Fellaini role either; likeable? You mean the moments when he tried to break Hazard and other Chelsea players in half or when he tried to threaten Herrera that they'd meet on the pitch?

In hindsight I could actually agree with the 'consistent' part. He's been consistently average.
 
Kostur said:
Everything bolded. Best English team who subsequently ended up 3rd and 2nd in the league, far behind the winners in those two seasons, having won grand total of nothing during that time; he's not better than either Pogba nor Herrera, I don't even think he could perform the infamous Fellaini role either; likeable? You mean the moments when he tried to break Hazard and other Chelsea players in half or when he tried to threaten Herrera that they'd meet on the pitch?

In hindsight I could actually agree with the 'consistent' part. He's been consistently average.
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Best English team = more points across two seasons. Won naff all but they won more games than anyone else. It's a solid point of reference.

Never said he was better than Pogba or Herrera. They don't play the same position.

Fellaini role? Again, different position.

Likeable: Yes. Speaks well, isn't boring, has something about him compared to many footballers.

Fair play if you don't like him but don't misrepresent me.
 
UnrelatedPsuedo said:
Best English team = more points across two seasons. Won naff all but they won more games than anyone else. It's a solid point of reference.

Never said he was better than Pogba or Herrera. They don't play the same position.

Fellaini role? Again, different position.

Likeable: Yes. Speaks well, isn't boring, has something about him compared to many footballers.

Fair play if you don't like him but don't misrepresent me.
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Don't take offence mate, at first I thought you were taking the piss as I've got a 180 degrees opinion about him to what you've said. Each to his own I guess.
 
Champagne Football said:
He was getting rave reviews in midfield a year ago from top pundits and not just for his tackling http://www.hitc.com/en-gb/2016/06/2...ts-a-bold-comparison-for-tottenham-star-eric/
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Carragher also rated Schneiderlin highly but it still didn't mean he was good enough to make it at United. Schneiderlin is also better on the ball than Dier imo.

Comparing Dier to Carrick is overrating him, let alone comparing him to Keane. Keane's passing was much, much better than Dier's.
 
This guy sucks and thats before i even realized hes english, he has no redeeming qualities whatsoever. Atleast with Carrick at Tottenham you could see the passing and distribution was there, Dier is just fecking awful at everything other than being a lanky tree standing around hopefully to cut someone a blister if they get too close.

Fabinho is better in every way yet we arent interested... ok then
 
Dier is a very good player, but not much of an upgrade on what we have.

Tottenham would probably want close to £60 million for him and he just isn't worth anywhere close to that.
 
Captain Obvious said:
This guy sucks and thats before i even realized hes english, he has no redeeming qualities whatsoever. Atleast with Carrick at Tottenham you could see the passing and distribution was there, Dier is just fecking awful at everything other than being a lanky tree standing around hopefully to cut someone a blister if they get too close.

Fabinho is better in every way yet we arent interested... ok then
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Ah yes, all the title challenging teams of the past had that Lanky Blister Cutting Tree who's awful at everything.

Jesus wept, Eric Dier has started the vast majority of Games in either midfield or defence for a team far superior than ours, get a grip, you might prefer fabinho but stop acting like a child.
 
Captain Obvious said:
This guy sucks and thats before i even realized hes english, he has no redeeming qualities whatsoever. Atleast with Carrick at Tottenham you could see the passing and distribution was there, Dier is just fecking awful at everything other than being a lanky tree standing around hopefully to cut someone a blister if they get too close.

Fabinho is better in every way yet we arent interested... ok then
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He's a good player mate that's had a poor season.

He was excellent for Spurs and England the season before last.

He'd do a job for us, but someone like Fabinho would do a better job.

It's a no brainer n my eyes but I'm not the boss. I guess we'll just have to trust Mourinho.
 
AdNani said:
Ah yes, all the title challenging teams of the past had that Lanky Blister Cutting Tree who's awful at everything.

Jesus wept, Eric Dier has started the vast majority of Games in either midfield or defence for a team far superior than ours, get a grip, you might prefer fabinho but stop acting like a child.
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What have tottenham won in the past 5 years? exactly. Hes shite and you know he is.

Garethw said:
He's a good player mate that's had a poor season.

He was excellent for Spurs and England the season before last.

He'd do a job for us, but someone like Fabinho would do a better job.

It's a no brainer n my eyes but I'm not the boss. I guess we'll just have to trust Mourinho.
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Mind you Scott Parker (different position) was also great for England/Tottenham a few seasons ago, now hes in the Championship i think
 
sullydnl said:
Carragher also rated Schneiderlin highly but it still didn't mean he was good enough to make it at United. Schneiderlin is also better on the ball than Dier imo.

Comparing Dier to Carrick is overrating him, let alone comparing him to Keane. Keane's passing was much, much better than Dier's.
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How can he be good enough for a team that has finished higher than United, but not good enough for United? Genuine question.
 
Captain Obvious said:
What have tottenham won in the past 5 years? exactly. Hes shite and you know he is.




Mind you Scott Parker (different position) was also great for England/Tottenham a few seasons ago, now hes in the Championship i think
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Scott Parker is about 35 now so is not comparible to Dier.
 
Dier as the holding midfielder would give both Pogba and Herrera a hell of a lot more licence to get forward.
 
I like him and think he would fit in quite well

But I don't see how this transfer could happen? Why would Spurs sell? And if they did it would be an enormous sum of money
 
Captain Obvious said:
This guy sucks and thats before i even realized hes english, he has no redeeming qualities whatsoever. Atleast with Carrick at Tottenham you could see the passing and distribution was there, Dier is just fecking awful at everything other than being a lanky tree standing around hopefully to cut someone a blister if they get too close.

Fabinho is better in every way yet we arent interested... ok then
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He's good in the air, quick, decent passer and one of the best readers of the game in the Premier League. Dier is also capable of playing in a number of positions, not just DM. Interesting that you mention Carrick as I believe Dier could reach his standard given the correct guidance. They share similar traits both technical and mentally.

We could do far worse than Eric Dier.
 
marukomu said:
I reckon he would just be another Schneiderlin. Pochettino seems to be able to get a lot more than most out of just pretty good players, hence why Liverpool kept raiding Southampton but not improving so much.
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I agree, but it's more the system than anything else. A coherent system is always far more superior to individual ability. We don't really seem to have a discernible one yet. As for the 'Pool raiding Saints -- Lallana and Mane seem to fit the system Klopp implements and are two of Liverpool's best players, really.
 
I'd like us to sign him because I think he's a very good player and would fit in well. That, and y'all are hilarious and I'd love to see the reactions.
 
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