English cricket thread

Sassy Colin said:
Why is Butler 'hitting out'?

We don't even have 250 on the board!

Stick with Leach, take your time, and we can put together a passable score.
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Easy to say whilst he is coming off, but I don't think Buttler has the technique to take his time.
 
JohnnyKills said:
About 40. It was 52 before. So we're losing 12 runs an innings for the privilege of having him as captain.
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Thought it would have been closer to 30 tbh. I was just thinking if you were judging his batting from the day he became captain you could justift dropping him (if you had anyway decent replacements) but im obviously just thinking he's worse than he actually is
 
arnie_ni said:
Thought it would have been closer to 30 tbh. I was just thinking if you were judging his batting from the day he became captain you could justift dropping him (if you had anyway decent replacements) but im obviously just thinking he's worse than he actually is
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His conversion rate is the only thing you can criticise about his batting. It's why his average has dropped because he's not getting the big 100s.
 
I’d like to see the captaincy gone from root and let him just focus on batting but I’m not sure who you give it to.
 
Bbc sport feed...

Imagine the top order could bat and buttler was doing this at 350
 
Mitchell Marsh could be a game-changer for Australia. The only way to blunt the Aussie batting line-up is to wear it out; with Marsh in the team, you can't do that.

If the Aus selectors replace Paine with Carey, they'll have one hell of a team.
 
JohnnyKills said:
Agree, hence why it's great that Buttler's cementing his place.
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I really like buttler as a player, and honestly the way Bairstow is playing at the moment I’d rather have Buttler in the squad as WK. I get the impression he could have the head for captaincy at some point too but I’m basing that on absolutely nothing concrete :lol:
 
Snowle Gunnar Solskjær said:
I really like buttler as a player, and honestly the way Bairstow is playing at the moment I’d rather have Buttler in the squad as WK. I get the impression he could have the head for captaincy at some point too but I’m basing that on absolutely nothing concrete :lol:
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Yeah it feels like Bairstow's place is slipping a bit doesn't it. The clamour for Foakes is getting greater and greater.
 
JohnnyKills said:
Yeah it feels like Bairstow's place is slipping a bit doesn't it. The clamour for Foakes is getting greater and greater.
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I wanted to see more of Foakes, felt like he was impressive enough when he had the chance and was hard done by not to get more of a run in the team. Surely deserves another shot soon if Bairstow doesn’t get his batting together.
 
zing said:


Interesting thread
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I did a big ass post on England's selection since Smith became national selector where I listed each team and pulled out the trends but could not be bothered to post it.

My takeaways were:
  • Root and Bairstow have a tendency to shift others around the order as suits them
  • Selection has been inconsistent, players that perform have been given little leeway i.e. Ali, Curran and players that have never performed have been given longer runs i.e Denly
  • There is no plan, there is almost a change every match even with the same pool of players
I think Root and Bayliss have to carry the can for a lot of this because Root has no idea how he wants to build his team and Bayliss has done little to challenge him. Smith has been pretty inconsistent in the players he's been picking but it's hard to tell how much of that is him and how much of that is the captain and coach asking him to pick players of a certain style.
 
ArmchairCritic said:
I did a big ass post on England's selection since Smith became national selector where I listed each team and pulled out the trends but could not be bothered to post it.

My takeaways were:
  • Root and Bairstow have a tendency to shift others around the order as suits them
  • Selection has been inconsistent, players that perform have been given little leeway i.e. Ali, Curran and players that have never performed have been given longer runs i.e Denly
  • There is no plan, there is almost a change every match even with the same pool of players
I think Root and Bayliss have to carry the can for a lot of this because Root has no idea how he wants to build his team and Bayliss has done little to challenge him. Smith has been pretty inconsistent in the players he's been picking but it's hard to tell how much of that is him and how much of that is the captain and coach asking him to pick players of a certain style.
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My feeling too.
 
I think this Mark Wood column was supposed to offer a different perspective on Bayliss but in actuality it just reinforced any suspicions people had about his coaching style.

There have been times when I thought he would tear a strip off us, but sometimes he's just so disappointed that he can't bring himself to say anything.

The captain would address the group, then ask Trev if he's got anything to say.

"No."

"OK, Trev, so when are we training?"

"Dunno".

He'll have his bag packed and on his back, wanting to get out of there, because he's so annoyed with the way that we've played.

The only time that I've really seen him irate was after we lost to Scotland in the summer of 2018.

He said he was embarrassed with the way we had played. Almost all of the time with England, we will speak as a collective - we win as a team, we lose as a team.

On that occasion, he singled individuals out and told them what they were doing wasn't good enough if we wanted to be the best in the world.
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JohnnyKills said:
My feeling too.
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Stokes should just bat 5 but he's batted 3,4,5 and 6 in the last year.

Ali got 9 wickets on his comeback at the Rose Bowl vs India last year and then gets pushed to 3 for no reason in the next test.

Foakes got a 100 on debut at 7, 2 tests later he's batting at 8 to shoehorn Bairstow into the side and 2 tests after they don't fancy him at all.

The selection of Curran over Broad at Barbados.

There's loads of these puzzling decisions that weaken the confidence of players that cannot be traced back to anyone else than Root and Bayliss.
 
ArmchairCritic said:
I think this Mark Wood column was supposed to offer a different perspective on Bayliss but in actuality it just reinforced any suspicions people had about his coaching style.
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Yep

That just adds to my suspicions he's done very little in the job.

Seems to just mope about and let Morgan and Root do 99% of the work.
 
Per bbc..

Since his recall in May 2018, Jos Buttler has made more 50+ scores in than any England batsman in Tests and has a higher average (36.51) than anyone in the current side.

So England's best average is 36 in the past 18 months.

Piggy backing of what i said earlier re root, i had a feeling his average had been shit for a long time and this sort of supports that.
 
arnie_ni said:
Per bbc..

Since his recall in May 2018, Jos Buttler has made more 50+ scores in than any England batsman in Tests and has a higher average (36.51) than anyone in the current side.

So England's best average is 36 in the past 18 months.

Piggy backing of what i said earlier re root, i had a feeling his average had been shit for a long time and this sort of supports that.
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Ben Foakes averaged 40 in 5 tests when he was dropped....
 
arnie_ni said:
That would explain the "anyone in the current side"... i couldnt work out who they meant
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It's a right old mess and it's not going to change anytime soon (see Bayliss' comments about Root not being under pressure).
 
Foakes may consider himself to be unlucky when he was initially left out but he has averaged a shade over 27 in county cricket this season with a top score of 69 - hardly kicking the door down.

If we are selecting on form outside the tried (Ballance etc.) then surely it should be Sibley, Pope and maybe Northeast for Roy, Bairstow and Denly and give Buttler the gloves.
 
Enjoyed this by Jonathan Liew.

It was a fine ball, but not quite as good as Root made it look. His mentor Michael Vaughan had a similar habit during his fallow periods: making decent balls look unplayable. Watch the delivery back and it’s almost like a catalogue of Root’s technical glitches over the last few years. The back foot retreats uncertainly into the crease, a hangover from when he tried to adjust his initial trigger movement earlier in his career, only to open up a vulnerability to full straight deliveries.

The front foot bobbles a fraction, but otherwise barely moves: evidence of his attempts to correct the previous flaw, which left him wary of committing his front pad too early. And yet despite the lack of foot movement, his hands are drawn forward, conscious of trying to play the ball earlier to negate the lateral movement. Root’s technique is an unhappy amalgam of all the various remedies he has applied to his batting over the last few years, well-meaning voices shouting over each other, a method endlessly fixed and unfixed. It is, in short, a mess.

Clearly the problem isn’t a lack of hard work. On the contrary, Root is occasionally guilty of paralysis by analysis: subjecting himself to extra net sessions, chastising himself at the crease, thinking himself into stasis. The hunger for improvement is always there, just behind those tired eyes. It’s a similar story with his captaincy: an endeavour into which he has poured his heart and soul, his sweat and tears and occasionally his sleep and his sanity, and at the end of which he is no nearer clarity than when he started.

This is Root the batsman, which is also Root the captain, which is also - by no coincidence - Root’s England. It’s not hard to draw a straight line from Root’s inexhaustible thirst for technical tweaks in his batting to his endless tinkering in the field to the interminable churn to England’s batting order: an organism suffering death by a thousand adjustments, and yet still living in eternal hope, striving for the magical alignment that will make sense of the whole enterprise.

Perhaps it’s telling that England’s best moments in the series - the percussive first morning at Edgbaston, Jofra Archer’s concussive spell at Lord’s, Ben Stokes’s mindless violence at Headingley, Buttler’s red-blooded savagery here - have come not when England have engaged their rational brain, but switched it off. Perhaps this is a team that thinks too much for its own good. Perhaps Root is a better batsman when he forgets to bat and simply bats. Then again, perhaps that’s overthinking things. One thing is for certain: until England can find a way out of their forest of neuroses, it’s hard to see them ever achieving the heights of which they are capable.
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I think I changed my mind about Boycott's honour.

If he had said, I made a mistake, I paid the price, I'm sorry. Then fair enough.

But he denies what he is convicted of, which is not acceptable.

It's a shame, because he has given a lot to cricket and his views are certainly worth listening to.
 
Watching Jack Leach bat just makes me more annoyed that we didn't put him in first last week for that second innings.
 
ArmchairCritic said:
Enjoyed this by Jonathan Liew.
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Excellent writing, I'll keep an eye out for his work. It's a shame that the same analysis is few an far between in football journalism. If you're really keen there's a few sites which offer very detailed technical analysis of teams, players and matches but they're always very clinical and incredibly dry.

It's a shame there's there's no football writers providing the same detailed analysis while keeping it accessible and eloquent because I'm sure there is a market for it.
 
Think England are going to need a Jofra special if we're going to keep the Aussies under 400.
 
Good innings from Buttler that. Hopefully that proves a turning point for him and he can cement his place in the team.
 
Don't see the point of being that aggressive today since leech is batting well, could of added more runs.
 
Not a great morning stint that... thought we'd have at least got to 300.

Does mean we can grab a few wickets (well 2) before lunch at least.
 
JohnnyKills said:
Good innings from Buttler that. Hopefully that proves a turning point for him and he can cement his place in the team.
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Why's he trying to smash the number one test bowler in the world out of the ground for a 6 though?

He knows Leach is capable of blocking and hanging around, Buttler should be careful with Cummins and if he has to try and target someone go after Marsh or Lyon.

There was no need to be doing that, it's just another example of England being stupidly aggressive instead of batting smartly.

They don't know how to bat in Test cricket, or they're being told the wrong things by Root and Bayliss.
 
Djemba-Djemba said:
Why's he trying to smash the number one test bowler in the world out of the ground for a 6 though?

He knows Leach is capable of blocking and hanging around, Buttler should be careful with Cummins and if he has to try and target someone go after Marsh or Lyon.

There was no need to be doing that, it's just another example of England being stupidly aggressive instead of batting smartly.

They don't know how to bat in Test cricket, or they're being told the wrong things by Root and Bayliss.
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Because he doesn't have the technique to survive and score runs batting properly.
 
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