The key is having a decent number of spin-friendly tracks in county cricket like at Somerset/Ciderabad. Teams won't be able to be successful without spinners or being able to play spin.
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I can't believe they didn't try Tom Hartley after India more. He can bat, is a better fielder and would be able to offer more control.
I was quite vocal on here at the time that Hartley is bang average. Watched loads of him with Lancs, can't even get in our side now.
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I was quite vocal on here at the time that Hartley is bang average. Watched loads of him with Lancs, can't even get in our side now.
To be fair didn't they Lyon for some of the season. I mean Bashir doesn't seem to get into the Somerset team however as others have said its a common theme amongst spinners at County level.
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To be fair didn't they Lyon for some of the season. I mean Bashir doesn't seem to get into the Somerset team however as others have said its a common theme amongst spinners at County level.
Obviously Lyon got picked in the first half of the summer as overseas but he struggles as second choice behind our part timers to.
I do like him as a white ball option though
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Hartley and Bashir both selected for the Lions tour of Australia next month, good opportunity for them to show what they're capable of in those conditions ahead of next winter.
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Hartley and Bashir both selected for the Lions tour of Australia next month, good opportunity for them to show what they're capable of in those conditions ahead of next winter.
Good picks. Big tour for Bashir.
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Im bored on a train so NZ reflections...
Bowlers:
- Carse best of a very average bunch. Impossible not to like his temperament and approach, but the speeds are 'good' rather than great and he doesn't do a great deal with the ball. Goes down as a definite option for the Ashes regardless. Batting helps.
- The rest of them. Woakes went ok, we didn't learn much. Likewise Potts with his two tests. Atkinson continues to look great on paper figures wise, but he doesn't pass the eye test for me yet - really underwhelming speeds. But again the batting is a big plus as we phase Waokes out. Bashir had a poor winter, big Lions tour for him.
Batting:
- Brook the stand out, despite low scores in the midst of it made more than two match winning contributions. Root consistent as ever.
- Strange winter for Duckett. Continues to look good but didn't get the stats his form deserved this year, will need a solid summer to stave off murmurings of this opening partnership needing a change. Which brings us to....
- Crawley. Famously allowed to be inconsistent by the management, but looked like he'd turned a corner post home Ashes and India away. Now back to a shambles. He will go to Aus unless Bumrah destroys him like Henry did (not impossible is it).
Other areas of intrigue:
- Bethell. Clearly a player, could he force an opener spot by the summer?
- Stokes. Broken again, but the bowling showed signs of promise. Can't bat until we need 380 from 120/7, then he will knock it off.
- Pope/Smith. Can you get both in? Plus the Bethell 'good problem to have'. Pope looked far more comfortable at 6 but I get the feeling England will plump for Smith and have Pope as a very able John OShea backup for keeper, 3, and 6.
Overall winter score, much like the year as a whole - 7/10.
Bowlers:
- Carse best of a very average bunch. Impossible not to like his temperament and approach, but the speeds are 'good' rather than great and he doesn't do a great deal with the ball. Goes down as a definite option for the Ashes regardless. Batting helps.
- The rest of them. Woakes went ok, we didn't learn much. Likewise Potts with his two tests. Atkinson continues to look great on paper figures wise, but he doesn't pass the eye test for me yet - really underwhelming speeds. But again the batting is a big plus as we phase Waokes out. Bashir had a poor winter, big Lions tour for him.
Batting:
- Brook the stand out, despite low scores in the midst of it made more than two match winning contributions. Root consistent as ever.
- Strange winter for Duckett. Continues to look good but didn't get the stats his form deserved this year, will need a solid summer to stave off murmurings of this opening partnership needing a change. Which brings us to....
- Crawley. Famously allowed to be inconsistent by the management, but looked like he'd turned a corner post home Ashes and India away. Now back to a shambles. He will go to Aus unless Bumrah destroys him like Henry did (not impossible is it).
Other areas of intrigue:
- Bethell. Clearly a player, could he force an opener spot by the summer?
- Stokes. Broken again, but the bowling showed signs of promise. Can't bat until we need 380 from 120/7, then he will knock it off.
- Pope/Smith. Can you get both in? Plus the Bethell 'good problem to have'. Pope looked far more comfortable at 6 but I get the feeling England will plump for Smith and have Pope as a very able John OShea backup for keeper, 3, and 6.
Overall winter score, much like the year as a whole - 7/10.
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Im bored on a train so NZ reflections...
Bowlers:
- Carse best of a very average bunch. Impossible not to like his temperament and approach, but the speeds are 'good' rather than great and he doesn't do a great deal with the ball. Goes down as a definite option for the Ashes regardless. Batting helps.
- The rest of them. Woakes went ok, we didn't learn much. Likewise Potts with his two tests. Atkinson continues to look great on paper figures wise, but he doesn't pass the eye test for me yet - really underwhelming speeds. But again the batting is a big plus as we phase Waokes out. Bashir had a poor winter, big Lions tour for him.
Batting:
- Brook the stand out, despite low scores in the midst of it made more than two match winning contributions. Root consistent as ever.
- Strange winter for Duckett. Continues to look good but didn't get the stats his form deserved this year, will need a solid summer to stave off murmurings of this opening partnership needing a change. Which brings us to....
- Crawley. Famously allowed to be inconsistent by the management, but looked like he'd turned a corner post home Ashes and India away. Now back to a shambles. He will go to Aus unless Bumrah destroys him like Henry did (not impossible is it).
Other areas of intrigue:
- Bethell. Clearly a player, could he force an opener spot by the summer?
- Stokes. Broken again, but the bowling showed signs of promise. Can't bat until we need 380 from 120/7, then he will knock it off.
- Pope/Smith. Can you get both in? Plus the Bethell 'good problem to have'. Pope looked far more comfortable at 6 but I get the feeling England will plump for Smith and have Pope as a very able John OShea backup for keeper, 3, and 6.
Overall winter score, much like the year as a whole - 7/10.
Spot on.
Essentially, top 3 is the issue still (as it has been for years). Too many options for 4-7 to fit them all in their preferred positions (as it has been for years).
Bowling was looking great initially. I agree Atkinson and Carse's figures currently seem to be overperforming the eye test. Atkinson's drop in pace towards the tail of the tour was worrying but presumably it was just fatigue or a niggling injury. Definitely space for one of the many other bowling options to break into the team - Archer is the standout on paper if fit. Wood will likely get a few games and guarantees express pace. Numerous others will be chomping at the bit and a good summer could put them in contention for the Ashes. I really like Woakes and I think he made a good account of himself, but surely he can't be in consideration for Australia. Carse/Atkinson's batting negates the need for Woakes at #8, and pace/bounce is more desired there. I wonder if England will play Woakes in seaming English conditions this summer - he's possibly still the best we've got in those conditions, but it could potentially make future selection tricky.
Interesting that Bashir is in the Lions squad despite playing every test this winter. Sensible IMO given his lack of FC experience. But if he doesn't perform well - do England keep picking? Throw Hartley or Ahmed in? Pick 4 seamers and Root+Bethall as part time spin options?
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If Stokes's isn't fit, this will need to be serious option.Spot on.
Essentially, top 3 is the issue still (as it has been for years). Too many options for 4-7 to fit them all in their preferred positions (as it has been for years).
Bowling was looking great initially. I agree Atkinson and Carse's figures currently seem to be overperforming the eye test. Atkinson's drop in pace towards the tail of the tour was worrying but presumably it was just fatigue or a niggling injury. Definitely space for one of the many other bowling options to break into the team - Archer is the standout on paper if fit. Wood will likely get a few games and guarantees express pace. Numerous others will be chomping at the bit and a good summer could put them in contention for the Ashes. I really like Woakes and I think he made a good account of himself, but surely he can't be in consideration for Australia. Carse/Atkinson's batting negates the need for Woakes at #8, and pace/bounce is more desired there. I wonder if England will play Woakes in seaming English conditions this summer - he's possibly still the best we've got in those conditions, but it could potentially make future selection tricky.
Interesting that Bashir is in the Lions squad despite playing every test this winter. Sensible IMO given his lack of FC experience. But if he doesn't perform well - do England keep picking? Throw Hartley or Ahmed in? Pick 4 seamers and Root+Bethall as part time spin options?
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