Agreed but I think that's because the standards expected from the spinners isn't great. One works class spinner and this team would be so much stronger
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It surprised me to see how bad his record is so agreed that he isn't great either
Some of you are being a bit unnecessarily harsh on England here. I said yesterday that 300 was about par for a first innings total and I think that’s still about right.
Pakistan have batted well to move ahead of England and England are capable of batting better next time round.
Edit. Obviously Pakistan decide to twat the ball around as soon as I’ve said that.
Pakistan have batted well to move ahead of England and England are capable of batting better next time round.
Edit. Obviously Pakistan decide to twat the ball around as soon as I’ve said that.
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Not really being harsh. The game is still on but England are just very sloppy and don't take the big moments. Look at this now after tea
In what way have they been sloppy? I’ll admit I’ve been working at the same time but I haven’t really seen any drops, poor fielding etc.
Maybe the bowling hasn’t been consistent but they’re just not experienced spin bowlers. It’s not sloppiness.
Maybe the way I should describe this is that I think the thread isn’t giving Pakistan enough credit. This is match winning stuff right now if they can keep it up. Same as Smith kept us in the match during the first innings.
This is fecked up!
There’s basically one county in the entirety of England that’s good at developing spinners. England are having to develop them on the job. Between Bashir, Rehan and Farhan Ahmed I’m confident they’ll do it.
I think the game’s gone for England but who knows with Pakistan batting 4th. It’s unfortunate that really English cricket doesn’t really view developing for spinning conditions much of a priority, to be fair though in general batsmen seem worse playing spin than they did before.
Classic Gower… “Duckett might not be the tallest”
Favourite commentator by a mile.
Favourite commentator by a mile.
Things certain in life: death, taxes and England failing to bowl out the tail.
This partnership has completely flipped the game
4th innings or not this is Pakistan's game. Just can't see England setting a decent target.
Not exactly what I expected having only just tuned in again since the lunch break. Difficult to see England setting a good enough target even if they wrapped up this innings right now.
Looking back at the BBC page and they have this stat;
Since the start of 2022, the last three wickets have averaged 20.1 runs per partnership against England. That is the highest against any Test team in this period.
And that was 2 hours ago so it'll be worse now!
Looking back at the BBC page and they have this stat;
Since the start of 2022, the last three wickets have averaged 20.1 runs per partnership against England. That is the highest against any Test team in this period.
And that was 2 hours ago so it'll be worse now!
Surprised Stokes hasn’t tried himself or even Atkinson again.
Disaster of a day so far, really poor.
Well there's your one positive - great effort from Rehan.
In some ways building a competitive third innings total will be more impressive for this England side than another mammoth final innings run chase.
Saud hold your head high though - what a knock.
Saud hold your head high though - what a knock.
A poor hour and a half. At 177-7 and for quite a while after, England were well on top.
The collapse in the first innings is just as much to blame as the bowlers are in this last hour for me.
Did Leach bowl badly or have little luck? Really disappointing figures on a pitch offering some.
Hopefully England have learnt from Shakheel regarding how to bat on this pitch. I just want them to apply some application.
Duckett and Crawley will play the usual way. Root will look to nurdle, hopefully Brook reigns it in a bit. We need to set 200.
Feel England really can't afford to lose a wicket tonight. My gut says they'll be at least 2 down by close.
England In the shit now I fear
Here we go 
Will Pakistan bat again? 
They must have prayed really hard during the break.
Just feck off with this shite. Go and play some more golf lads.
Could be more!!
The line up is full of potential match winners so England are in it until we are 6 down, but that might be in twenty minutes
Game over for England.
There is more than enough in the pitch if you can bowl straight, it was frustrating to watch Leach being constantly clipped to square leg
Do England do clipping to square leg?
Is more
Yep - this one is on the bowlers for me. All three wickets tonight to good balls allowing the pitch to do the work.
This is just awful
Pope is not a 3 outside of England. Not good enough
Well the light saves us from being totally done.
Brook, Root, Stokes (maybe not in Asia...) and Smith have enough in them to make a game of it.
Brook, Root, Stokes (maybe not in Asia...) and Smith have enough in them to make a game of it.
I wish I had your confidence
This is over by lunch tomorrow
No real confidence, just stating the situation.