English cricket thread

[hasanejaz88]

Also as a general note, playing of spin has declined globally I think. It’s not just England, although England seem to be the worst of the lot, sometimes.

Batting averages generally have declined in the last 5 years, regardless of spin or pace. We always say it's a batsman's game but that's only relevant for white ball. In red ball cricket scores have been much lower on average than the previous decade.

 

[Dan_F]

You can look at it both ways right? Either their bowlers outperformed our bowlers or their batters outperformed our batters.

You could argue that it was our bowlers who lost the game by conceding 340 on a really helpful pitch. Certainly, our batters have more credit in the bank (although some are running out pretty quickly!)

You could argue that, but it would be a bit crazy. We should have had more runs on the board in the first innings, meaning Pakistan would have been under further pressure. Pakistan ended up with a good score in the first innings but the only reason it was a match winning score was because of the performance of the batters.

 

[JohnnyKills]

Batting averages generally have declined in the last 5 years, regardless of spin or pace. We always say it's a batsman's game but that's only relevant for white ball. In red ball cricket scores have been much lower on average than the previous decade.

Batters can't adapt to adversity anymore. And that's not just an England problem, it's a universal problem. India just bowled out for 46 ffs!

No-one tries to reign themselves in anymore. It's attack or collapse. You could argue that England have done the smart thing by leaning into it and picking the most aggressive batters they can.

 

[JohnnyKills]

Rehan has to play every single ODI and T20I tour on spinning decks too, missed opportunity to not have him in India for the World Cup and he needs to be playing with Rashid as much as possible.

Agree. We need to get as many overs into him and Bashir as we can.

 

[JohnnyKills]

You can try and tweak the rules and everything but ultimately you can't replicate these conditions, the only way is to play in them against good opposition. Noman and Sajid aren't top class bowlers, the latter played a handful of games for Somerset a couple of years ago and he was absolutely awful but at home they know what they're doing. Batters have to come up against that sort of quality to learn properly, same goes for the young spinners. Bowling at county level against players who generally don't play spin well isn't enough to prepare you for the step up.

Yeah totally. Players need to be sent to play overseas - could we start entering teams in local domestic comps? We did it in the West Indies a few years ago if memory serves.

But there's also loads we can do to encourage spin to him. At the moment we're doing nothing, right? So literally anything would be an improvement!

 

[groovyalbert]

Yeah totally. Players need to be sent to play overseas - could we start entering teams in local domestic comps? We did it in the West Indies a few years ago if memory serves.

But there's also loads we can do to encourage spin to him. At the moment we're doing nothing, right? So literally anything would be an improvement!

Absolutely. Do we even play warm up matches when on tour anymore?

 

[Spoony]

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Absolutely. Do we even play warm up matches when on tour anymore?

It's not done anymore. By any nation.

 

[Scottynaldinho]

Completely agree with Nasser here.

 

[Utd heap]

Really poor test defeat that one. One of our worst under this regime, if not the worst.

 

[groovyalbert]

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It's not done anymore. By any nation.

Seems like something that should be done. It made sense.

 

[JohnnyKills]

Just seen that India were bowled out by Mitchell Santner and Glenn Phillips. Makes you think that England could have done a lot better when they visited India!!