Big partnership this
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Wow. Expected a better performance from England. Maybe I overrated England's test team but still one thing that has been really shocking is their body language in this series. Most of the guys just won the WC so I expected a more positive attitude. I know it is a different format and all but still most are the individuals are the same and you need to carry that positivity. I still think they can make a comeback just need some belief and some application. This Australian side is not that good and to lose to them at home is pretty bad.
Honestly this has been coming for a while.
For about 3 or 4 years we've constantly been 30/3, it's become a running joke in fact. More often than not the middle and lower order have bailed us out and dragged us to a par score. India last year for example, we were constantly rescued from terrible positions by Curran.
You can't keep getting away with it though, eventually your top order being dogshit will cost you, as it has today.
This. Especially with Woakes at the crease too. Just try and get up past 100 quickly to give a chance of staying in the game.
Let's hope so.
Sorry, I don't want to be that guy who posts hateful messages on internet forums. Root's clearly a decent guy and a brilliant player but this just isn't working out for anyone, is it?
I'd take a risk on Buttler, even though he's not exactly covered himself in glory. We haven't got a single established player in the top 8 apart from Root and Stokes, and Buttler's leadership skills are clearly highly thought of.
We need to go further than the captaincy, though. When this series is done, we need a rebuild. As others have said, this loss has been coming for a long time and it's time to build a new team, rather than letting our young talent fester in county cricket.
I'd go with this for the New Zealand series:
Burns
Sibley
Stokes
Root
Pope
Buttler (c)
Bairstow (wk)
Ali
Archer
Broad
Stone/Wood (depending on who's fit)
Foakes is a better keeper and first class batsman than Bairstow. This team clearly needs more specialists.
This is pretty bad, but it will only take one decent session where buttler, woakes, archer and broad can dig in and get nearish parity. Which is astonishing considering the situation last night.
Archer hasn’t yet shown his true ability with the bat, maybe today is the day.
Archer hasn’t yet shown his true ability with the bat, maybe today is the day.
Hmm. Valid point about the long term issues at top of the order. But then again, so many of the dismissals today were batsman chasing balls outside off stump. That’s lack of discipline and concentration which should be mandatory for a test level batsman.
Root at 3 has been an unmitigated disaster and destroyed his game. And Denly doesn’t have the attacking mindset required for no 4, let alone now his confidence is also destroyed. The Roy experiment has now also failed.
Not sure one can blame the selectors as they have looked far and wide and tried many options. I think it’s the worldwide generational issue of T20 diluting top level batting quality.
No obvious solutions as far as I can see.
England should bat Root at #4 and Stokes at #5
Mark Wood on TMS at lunch discussing the WC final. What a great bloke and what an interesting chat.
This is a serious point!! Can’t imagine how much he’d ache and be tired after last 6 days of exertions.
I hope they let him have a lie in this morning, skip breakfast and come to the ground later than rest of team, so he could get as many hours sleep as possible.
He’s now going to have to bat for as long as he can, under full concentration, and then likely have to bowl at least 15 more overs today and again tomorrow.
Love that Beefy is in to our AFL
Don't think you can look at one player in tests under Bayliss and say they've gotten better. Root has gone backwards as a batsman, as has Bairstow. Stokes hasn't kicked on as a bowler and they still have idea how to manage Moeen. The bowlers have not regressed but Woakes hasn't really kicked on as much as I felt he could have.
Long term I reckon England should separate the test and one-day coaching gigs, take the captaincy off of Root and pick teams of specialists. In test matches you feel that England do not have a clear identity in how they want to play, this is a complete contrast to the one day setup and the muddled thinking translates out on the pitch. They can be positive and not have to smash everything out of the ground.
Mickey Arthur is available...
Long term I reckon England should separate the test and one-day coaching gigs, take the captaincy off of Root and pick teams of specialists. In test matches you feel that England do not have a clear identity in how they want to play, this is a complete contrast to the one day setup and the muddled thinking translates out on the pitch. They can be positive and not have to smash everything out of the ground.
Mickey Arthur is available...
Yes.
Our batting in test matches has been very poor for some time as you say.
I struggle to recall the last time our opening batsmen made a 100 partnership.
It is very much down to technique coupled with mental toughness and both are missing.
For far too long we have relied on Jimmy Anderson for example to get huge numbers of wickets to either win or avoid defeat.
Beefy sounds like he wants to defect to Australia
Yep, make you right on all points. It's as if we have no plan for how to bat in tests at all.
As you say, we need specialist coaches. We play the two games in completely different ways, after all.
You can have him.
I don't watch a lot of cricket but it seems to me the English batsman are doing a terrible job leaving balls vs the Aussies. They seem to play/edge anything close to the stumps.
Why mess up Stokes like Root?! He is only now adjusting to responsibility of being a no 5 and had a way to go to own it.
I don’t think his technique is anywhere close to facing elite bowlers with a shiny ball and think he’ll get totally exposed.
Mark Taylor just noted that there has been 14 wickets taken for 92 runs since yesterday.
First ball after lunch
How hard is it to duck?
This is the worst I've seen England bat.
Since the Ireland test a few weeks ago.
Since the Ireland test a few weeks ago.
feck's sake, pathetic. Give us a no ball please.
Not even duck, just don't chase the ball that far down leg. Just a pathetic wicket.
Even at local cricket I would be ropeable if I went out chasing a ball like that.
Someone lob another set of bails on the fire.
Feel so sorry for Archer.
His day off lasted about 2 hours.
His day off lasted about 2 hours.
He should bowl left-arm spin in the next innings in protest.
Disgusting effort this.
Englands batting is so bad. They need Curran.
Well, every story needs a nadir doesn't it.
The Root ball and the Cummins bouncers were good, but everything else has been putrid batting.
8 down.
It’s not as though Australia bowlers have been unplayable, it’s simply very poor and totally unacceptable batting from players who have to do better.
Not sure to to express my utter disdain for this incompetence.
It’s not as though Australia bowlers have been unplayable, it’s simply very poor and totally unacceptable batting from players who have to do better.
Not sure to to express my utter disdain for this incompetence.
Good grief.
England
It's a shame the summer's going to end this way isn't it. The joy of the World Cup and now this. Bet the ECB are delighted with their scheduling.
Archer to save the day again?
They've just bowled good test length balls consistently.
Root got a jaffa but that was it, everything else has just been good but not unplayable balls. The 2009-2012 England Test side would be about 90-1 or something at this point, they'd have left a shit load.
These lot just can't bat in test cricket. A mix of players that just aren't cut out for test cricket, Denly and Roy, and players with loads of ability that have stagnated under this coach.
Was gonna say, Archer needs to be careful leaving the periscope up like that.