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Annihilate Now! said:
WinViz had us at 51% about 10 minutes before Stokes got out.

I seem to never agree with WinViz
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Oh really? Interesting that was so different to the bookies.

The odds across the whole series have been fascinating. At some point in the game your team will probably be heavy favourites and then swing back to being outside longshots an hour or two later. It’s obviously the nature of cricket and wickets falling, but these two games so far have been brilliant examples of the ebb and flow of Test cricket.
 
Annihilate Now! said:
Aye - Probably going by the stats, the 7th and 8th batsman in for a team, on average, can probably bat decently... but we had Broad (OK) and Robinson (meh).
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Minor amend but Broad and Robinson were 8 and 9. Ideally you’d want them at 9/10 though (Broad at this stage of his career at least - he was a credible number 8 10 years ago).
 
People back to politely disagreeing with each other rather than the nice name calling and obstinacy that was on display in earlier pages l, so here's my gift to this thread



Bairstow doing something pretty similar to what Carey did, wonder how our dear resident English fans explain this one away?
 
Agent Red said:
Oh really? Interesting that was so different to the bookies.

The odds across the whole series have been fascinating. At some point in the game your team will probably be heavy favourites and then swing back to being outside longshots an hour or two later. It’s obviously the nature of cricket and wickets falling, but these two games so far have been brilliant examples of the ebb and flow of Test cricket.
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WinViz seems a bit basic in its model.

It had England 25%, Australia 74%, draw 1%, then within the hour, with Stokes still in, had England 50 something%. As soon as Stokes went it was Australia 75% again.
 
SmallCaine said:
People back to politely disagreeing with each other rather than the nice name calling and obstinacy that was on display in earlier pages l, so here's my gift to this thread



Bairstow doing something pretty similar to what Carey did, wonder how our dear resident English fans explain this one away?
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Seriously just leave it now . You are coming across as increasingly bitter everytime you post in this thread. This once again is nothing like the incident yesterday but somehow all you have done since yesterday is make false equivalence
 
The only bright spot about England whining as usual when they lose, is that mankading suddenly seems to be acceptable :lol:
 
Ayush_reddevil said:
Seriously just leave it now . You are coming across as increasingly bitter everytime you post in this thread. This once again is nothing like the incident yesterday but somehow all you have done since yesterday is make false equivalence
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What is the false equivalence here? The batsman isn't taking any advantage, that is what the biggest argument has been for anyone complaining about the decision, show me where the batsman here is trying to gain any advantage.

Patel leaves the ball, the keeper collects it, he assumes the ball dead, decides to get out of the crease, gets stumped. Replace the spinner with a pacer and bairstow with Carey, I have just narrated the exact same thing that happened to Bairstow.
 
Ayush_reddevil said:
Seriously just leave it now . You are coming across as increasingly bitter everytime you post in this thread. This once again is nothing like the incident yesterday but somehow all you have done since yesterday is make false equivalence
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Yes, it’s nothing like yesterday. Neither are all the other examples because yesterday an Englishman was at the receiving end. We get it.
 
The Corinthian said:
Yes, it’s nothing like yesterday. Neither are all the other examples because yesterday an Englishman was at the receiving end. We get it.
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Actually an English man was at the receiving end of it when bairstow did it in county cricket so they can't even complain on that point.
 
At this level of the game in this day and age its just ill disciplined cricket by Bairstow

Borad is self aware enough to mention that it will be what the poms remember Carey by which is a fair point by him.

Most english posters wanted Bairstow dropped, Carey just helped your arguments.
 
SmallCaine said:
What is the false equivalence here? The batsman isn't taking any advantage, that is what the biggest argument has been for anyone complaining about the decision, show me where the batsman here is trying to gain any advantage.

Patel leaves the ball, the keeper collects it, he assumes the ball dead, decides to get out of the crease, gets stumped. Replace the spinner with a pacer and bairstow with Carey, I have just narrated the exact same thing that happened to Bairstow.
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That's probably the nearest to the incident yesterday that I've seen in here, but he didn't walk out of crease and just relaxed out of the follow-through slightly lifting a foot whilst doing so. The umpires were also still watching. With Bairstow he had actually marked the crease which is a pretty obvious sign the ball is dead and the umpires had moved.

It's stupid by Bairstow and his fault, but it was more extreme that that.
 
SmallCaine said:
What is the false equivalence here? The batsman isn't taking any advantage, that is what the biggest argument has been for anyone complaining about the decision, show me where the batsman here is trying to gain any advantage.

Patel leaves the ball, the keeper collects it, he assumes the ball dead, decides to get out of the crease, gets stumped. Replace the spinner with a pacer and bairstow with Carey, I have just narrated the exact same thing that happened to Bairstow.
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Except you missed the bit where Bairstow taps in his crease, looks at the umpire to signal end of over, then the umpire starts fiddling with the bowler’s hat and isn’t even looking at play.

I genuinely think if you guys didn’t keep bringing it up, no one here would be arsed talking about it today. It’s tedious.
 
Dan_F said:
Except you missed the bit where Bairstow taps in his crease, looks at the umpire to signal end of over, then the umpire starts fiddling with the bowler’s hat and isn’t even looking at play.

I genuinely think if you guys didn’t keep bringing it up, no one here would be arsed talking about it today. It’s tedious.
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Carey had already let go of the ball before Bairstow did any of this.
 
Dan_F said:
Except you missed the bit where Bairstow taps in his crease, looks at the umpire to signal end of over, then the umpire starts fiddling with the bowler’s hat and isn’t even looking at play.

I genuinely think if you guys didn’t keep bringing it up, no one here would be arsed talking about it today. It’s tedious.
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I have posted a tweet with the incident whole thing happens in about 5 seconds that includes ball being bowled and bairstow leaving it. The keeper has let go of the ball well before any of the shit you mentioned happens. Only difference here and in what bairstow himself did is it takes an extra second or 2 for the ball to get there given Carey is keeping up to the stumps.
 
Dan_F said:
Except you missed the bit where Bairstow taps in his crease, looks at the umpire to signal end of over, then the umpire starts fiddling with the bowler’s hat and isn’t even looking at play.

I genuinely think if you guys didn’t keep bringing it up, no one here would be arsed talking about it today. It’s tedious.
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Please don't reply. Hopefully if no one replies they'll get bored and leave.
 
SmallCaine said:
People back to politely disagreeing with each other rather than the nice name calling and obstinacy that was on display in earlier pages l, so here's my gift to this thread



Bairstow doing something pretty similar to what Carey did, wonder how our dear resident English fans explain this one away?
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Key differences for me are Bairstow clearly marking his crease and the umpire directly in his eye line literally turning away to feck about with a hat clipped to his waist, rather than him simply lazily walking away while the umpires are still watching the play.

I'd also add that Broad refusing to walk 10 years ago, and Bairstow stumping someone for a run out in a county game nine years ago aren't really great examples to prove how unsporting the English apparently are in comparison to other sides. Especially not when we've had Starc literally leaning on a ball and still claiming he'd somehow caught the fecking thing, and Carey Careying Bairstow in the same test. Oh, and Smith and Warner being in the squad at all despite their more recent, far more egregious antics.

Ultimately, you can still call out something shit, even if you've done something similar yourself at some point (a decade ago).
 
SmallCaine said:
What is the false equivalence here? The batsman isn't taking any advantage, that is what the biggest argument has been for anyone complaining about the decision, show me where the batsman here is trying to gain any advantage.

Patel leaves the ball, the keeper collects it, he assumes the ball dead, decides to get out of the crease, gets stumped. Replace the spinner with a pacer and bairstow with Carey, I have just narrated the exact same thing that happened to Bairstow.
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No you did not . It’s not what happened yesterday at all. Stokes mentioned 20 times yesterday about it being end of over. Bairstow marked his guard and moved because he believed it was the end of the over and you do that after an Over. It was nothing like this
 
rimaldo said:
like i said at the time, it was always going to be 2-0. this’ll do nothing more than light a fire that might sneak us a 3-2 somehow.
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Sorry to be so negative because know I am the worst but there's a reason no one has come back from 2-0 down in Ashes since 1937
 
Annihilate Now! said:
I still don't get how England were deemed favourites with Stokes + Tail and 90 odd runs left.

Felt like very a long way off, especially as he was already at 150.
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Yeah first test was where we blew a win by not having the pace to just finish off tail. That is the loss which stings the most along with the brainless batting at 188-1 in first innings
 
The Corinthian said:
Carey had already let go of the ball before Bairstow did any of this.
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SmallCaine said:
I have posted a tweet with the incident whole thing happens in about 5 seconds that includes ball being bowled and bairstow leaving it. The keeper has let go of the ball well before any of the shit you mentioned happens. Only difference here and in what bairstow himself did is it takes an extra second or 2 for the ball to get there given Carey is keeping up to the stumps.
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Personally, I don’t like the Patel one either, however he’s not leaving his crease for the end of the over. There is a difference, but you can keep banging about it if you like.

Carey letting go of the ball before any of that happens doesn’t make a difference in terms of the signal Bairstow gets from the umpire.
 
croadyman said:
Sorry to be so negative because know I am the worst but there's a reason no one has come back from 2-0 down in Ashes since 1937
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I for one am shocked that you are being negative and have not seen the silver lining here.
 
Utd heap said:
Also Broad is going over board as that's his role. He's chief Aussie hater.

He's the most likely on our team to have done the same thing and backed it.

He will use this to fire himself and the crowd up.
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Jarrod Kimber summed him up well by calling him cricket's ''ultimate troll''.
 
Witchking said:
The only bright spot about England whining as usual when they lose, is that mankading suddenly seems to be acceptable :lol:
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Mankading is not acceptable, at least not without having given a warning first. See Ricky Ponting or Shane Watson’s view on it.

The fact that what Carey did is miles worse is the point being made.
 
Alex99 said:
Key differences for me are Bairstow clearly marking his crease and the umpire directly in his eye line literally turning away to feck about with a hat clipped to his waist, rather than him simply lazily walking away while the umpires are still watching the play.

I'd also add that Broad refusing to walk 10 years ago, and Bairstow stumping someone for a run out in a county game nine years ago aren't really great examples to prove how unsporting the English apparently are in comparison to other sides. Especially not when we've had Starc literally leaning on a ball and still claiming he'd somehow caught the fecking thing, and Carey Careying Bairstow in the same test. Oh, and Smith and Warner being in the squad at all despite their more recent, far more egregious antics.

Ultimately, you can still call out something shit, even if you've done something similar yourself at some point (a decade ago).
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Carey had already let go of the ball before any of this happened.

Unless you have a response to that, what Bairstow or the umpire did is pretty irrelevant. I'd argue doubly so if the umpire hadn't called over etc.
 
The Corinthian said:
Carey had already let go of the ball before any of this happened.

Unless you have a response to that, what Bairstow or the umpire did is pretty irrelevant. I'd argue doubly so if the umpire hadn't called over etc.
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Carey was doing it in fairly good faith.

Cummins should have seen Bairstows actions and retracted the appeal.

Think that's me done on this one.
 
The Corinthian said:
Carey had already let go of the ball before any of this happened.

Unless you have a response to that, what Bairstow or the umpire did is pretty irrelevant. I'd argue doubly so if the umpire hadn't called over etc.
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I'd argue the opposite, and that Carey having let go of the ball is irrelevant given that the umpire wasn't even looking anymore.

Ultimately, anyone on the wrong end of that is going to feel very hard done by, and as much as you can argue that Bairstow might have been a bit dopey, and as much as I think Carey is a bit of a prick for trying it, and Cummins for not withdrawing the review, the main focus of the blame should be the umpire for titting about with a hat when he apparently hadn't called the ball dead.
 
Skills said:
They haven't had Ben Stokes? :nervous:
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Too much reliance on him in this test and Root in the first has been part of our downfall. Unfortunately you then throw in brainless batting,too many no balls and drops/missed stumpings. Very much a case of what might have been this series for England.
 
Doracle said:
Mankading is not acceptable, at least not without having given a warning first. See Ricky Ponting or Shane Watson’s view on it.

The fact that what Carey did is miles worse is the point being made.
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That will be very interesting now though because for anyone with half a brain this is worse than Mankading so I wonder if it indicates a change in Aussie stance on that
 
Utd heap said:
Carey was doing it in fairly good faith.

Cummins should have seen Bairstows actions and retracted the appeal.

Think that's me done on this one.
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Fair.
Alex99 said:
I'd argue the opposite, and that Carey having let go of the ball is irrelevant given that the umpire wasn't even looking anymore.

Ultimately, anyone on the wrong end of that is going to feel very hard done by, and as much as you can argue that Bairstow might have been a bit dopey, and as much as I think Carey is a bit of a prick for trying it, and Cummins for not withdrawing the review, the main focus of the blame should be the umpire for titting about with a hat when he apparently hadn't called the ball dead.
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The umpire looking here or there is irrelevant though - unless he called over as soon as the ball hit Carey's hands, this is a moot point. Even if he was looking at the action, it would have gone to the 3rd umpire to give the final decision anyway.

Being brutally honest, if the roles were reversed, everyone here would be slapping each other on the back saying it's clever play by Bairstow. Because England are on the receiving end, you feel hard done by (and I probably would if it was my team, but my team do stupid things multiple times in a year, so I'm desensitised).
 
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-66089658

Rishi Sunak has accused Australia of breaking the spirit of cricket over the controversial dismissal of England's Jonny Bairstow on Sunday.
Asked on Monday whether Mr Sunak believed Australia's actions were not in keeping with the spirit of cricket, his spokesman said: "Yes".
"The prime minister agrees with Ben Stokes. He said he simply wouldn't want to win a game in the manner Australia did," the spokesman added.

:lol:
 
IRN-BRUno said:
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-66089658

Rishi Sunak has accused Australia of breaking the spirit of cricket over the controversial dismissal of England's Jonny Bairstow on Sunday.
Asked on Monday whether Mr Sunak believed Australia's actions were not in keeping with the spirit of cricket, his spokesman said: "Yes".
"The prime minister agrees with Ben Stokes. He said he simply wouldn't want to win a game in the manner Australia did," the spokesman added.

:lol:
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FFS I'm with Cummins and the Aussies now. Well done Carey.
 
IRN-BRUno said:
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-66089658

Rishi Sunak has accused Australia of breaking the spirit of cricket over the controversial dismissal of England's Jonny Bairstow on Sunday.
Asked on Monday whether Mr Sunak believed Australia's actions were not in keeping with the spirit of cricket, his spokesman said: "Yes".
"The prime minister agrees with Ben Stokes. He said he simply wouldn't want to win a game in the manner Australia did," the spokesman added.

:lol:
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There’s our magnificent post Brexit trade deals up in smoke.
 
IRN-BRUno said:
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-66089658

Rishi Sunak has accused Australia of breaking the spirit of cricket over the controversial dismissal of England's Jonny Bairstow on Sunday.
Asked on Monday whether Mr Sunak believed Australia's actions were not in keeping with the spirit of cricket, his spokesman said: "Yes".
"The prime minister agrees with Ben Stokes. He said he simply wouldn't want to win a game in the manner Australia did," the spokesman added.

:lol:
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Cummins has pissed off Tories in both Australia and the UK.

What a man.
 
IRN-BRUno said:
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-66089658

Rishi Sunak has accused Australia of breaking the spirit of cricket over the controversial dismissal of England's Jonny Bairstow on Sunday.
Asked on Monday whether Mr Sunak believed Australia's actions were not in keeping with the spirit of cricket, his spokesman said: "Yes".
"The prime minister agrees with Ben Stokes. He said he simply wouldn't want to win a game in the manner Australia did," the spokesman added.

:lol:
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The irony given he's the PM despite not winning an election.
 
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