English cricket thread

Fair.

The umpire looking here or there is irrelevant though - unless he called over as soon as the ball hit Carey's hands, this is a moot point. Even if he was looking at the action, it would have gone to the 3rd umpire to give the final decision anyway.

Being brutally honest, if the roles were reversed, everyone here would be slapping each other on the back saying it's clever play by Bairstow. Because England are on the receiving end, you feel hard done by (and I probably would if it was my team, but my team do stupid things multiple times in a year, so I'm desensitised).

No, we wouldn’t because it is very clearly not in the spirit of the game. I’d have wanted Stokes to rescind the appeal and I’m confident he would have done.

I am also entirely confident however that, if the boot was on the other foot, examples like the Dhoni/Bell one would be being raised as examples of why England’s behaviour was unacceptable here. No doubt by exactly the same people in this thread who are trawling around for incidents 20 years ago to try and draw (inaccurate) parallels.
 
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-66089658

Rishi Sunak has accused Australia of breaking the spirit of cricket over the controversial dismissal of England's Jonny Bairstow on Sunday.
Asked on Monday whether Mr Sunak believed Australia's actions were not in keeping with the spirit of cricket, his spokesman said: "Yes".
"The prime minister agrees with Ben Stokes. He said he simply wouldn't want to win a game in the manner Australia did," the spokesman added.

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I'll be honest, I don't remotely trust England cricketers not to be proud to have Tory PM's on their side.
 
I'll be honest, I don't remotely trust England cricketers not to be proud to have Tory PM's on their side.

There's one lad on my football team that also plays cricket and he manages to bring up some tax avoidance thing he's looking into (and has been for at least two years) at every single social.
 
There's one lad on my football team that also plays cricket and he manages to bring up some tax avoidance thing he's looking into (and has been for at least two years) at every single social.
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I feel like the amount of time spend looking in to it probably indicates its highly dubious legality.
 
I'm a bit surprised by the backlash against England for a legitimate grouse--especially when it's at the hands of the Aussies. Have people already forgotten what a bunch of twats they have been in the past? The Atletico Madrid of cricket.
 
Would have imagined more. Cricket is largely unknown now in state schools. Thanks to Tory PMs who love cricket.

with good reason. you give cricket to the common man and before you know it they’re trying to run people out at the end of an over or claim catches that touch the ground.
 
I'm a bit surprised by the backlash against England for a legitimate grouse--especially when it's at the hands of the Aussies. Have people already forgotten what a bunch of twats they have been in the past? The Atletico Madrid of cricket.



When sandpaper gate happened the core of the team was the same and the bowlers got away without any punishment. Only an idiot would believe that fast bowlers had no knowledge of what was going on. Cummins in fact somehow became the poster boy of Aus cricket
 
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I feel like the amount of time spend looking in to it probably indicates its highly dubious legality.

I've avoided finding out what he does for a living for such a scheme to supposedly be worthwhile for him, but the lad managing it also plays for the team and given everything I know about him, he's almost certainly not doing it above board.

Going to scream if he starts explaining the difference between tax avoidance and tax evasion again though.
 
Strauss and Morgan are boring commentators. I hope they were dropping in only for the Lord's test
 
Strauss and Morgan are boring commentators. I hope they were dropping in only for the Lord's test

Morgan is bizarrely awful, he doesn't seem to understand what's going on half the time which is a strange thing to throw at him seen as he was a superb captain.
 
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-66089658

Rishi Sunak has accused Australia of breaking the spirit of cricket over the controversial dismissal of England's Jonny Bairstow on Sunday.
Asked on Monday whether Mr Sunak believed Australia's actions were not in keeping with the spirit of cricket, his spokesman said: "Yes".
"The prime minister agrees with Ben Stokes. He said he simply wouldn't want to win a game in the manner Australia did," the spokesman added.

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The whole thing is so perfectly suited to his base. Smug British moral superiority over devious foreigners. Couldn’t ask for a better opportunity to showboat.
 
Aren’t like 50% of them from private schools?
Why do you think so many get knighthoods.

I'm still at a loss why cook and strauss got one! I thought strauss one might be for charity work but apparently it wasn't.

I've tuned out of the media so thankfully have not heard any more discourse about that tedious event. PM being asked about it ffs. No wonder they call us whinging poms.
 
Strauss and Morgan are boring commentators. I hope they were dropping in only for the Lord's test

Don't want to sound cynical but he only seems to be around when he wants to collect money for his charity.
 
Don't want to sound cynical but he only seems to be around when he wants to collect money for his charity.

To be fair, I'd probably not feel up to doing a great deal of TV/radio if my wife had died of cancer, but may be persuaded if it would help raise some money for the charity set up in her memory.
 
Why do you think so many get knighthoods.

I'm still at a loss why cook and strauss got one! I thought strauss one might be for charity work but apparently it wasn't.

I've tuned out of the media so thankfully have not heard any more discourse about that tedious event. PM being asked about it ffs. No wonder they call us whinging poms.
Cook and Strauss getting one is proper weird, agreed.
 
Its obvious why cook got one. Strauss is odd
Two posh lads. Although, it is also a sign of the modern times as Gower never got one and he was a superior player to both! And it took botham decades of chairty work to get his.
 
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Is Justin Langer doing commentary for sky? Heard him during the WTC final. My god he was fecking dull. I'd prefer KP over him.
 
Is Justin Langer doing commentary for sky? Heard him during the WTC final. My god he was fecking dull. I'd prefer KP over him.

KP gets a lot of stick in this thread but while 20% of the time his ego/agenda comes out, 80% of the time he actually calls the game decently

It's the guys who perpetually sound like their dog just died who are so bad to listen to

Langer commentated for the first test. Sanga as well.
 
I think that the focus on Bazball + the Bairstow incident is taking away from the fact that Australia are simply a better team. There's people saying "This isn't how England played 12 months ago", "England can tweak their attacking approach a bit", and a lot of noise about the Bairstow incident.. playing a good team was always going to be a test of a tactic which relies on aggressive shot making and it's coming up short. I don't think it's a big surprise - Australia are just very good.

The McCullum interview of "We're galvanized by this" is symptomatic of this. The series score reads 2-0.
 
I think that the focus on Bazball + the Bairstow incident is taking away from the fact that Australia are simply a better team. There's people saying "This isn't how England played 12 months ago", "England can tweak their attacking approach a bit", and a lot of noise about the Bairstow incident.. playing a good team was always going to be a test of a tactic which relies on aggressive shot making and it's coming up short. I don't think it's a big surprise - Australia are just very good.

The McCullum interview of "We're galvanized by this" is symptomatic of this. The series score reads 2-0.

Pretty much. In the Aussie lineup, Smith and Cummins are straightforward inductions into Aussie all time XI with Hazlewood, Warner, Starc, Lyon all on the bench. That's an hallmark of an amazing team.
Which makes that Gabba test victory so fecking sweet. Really a once in a lifetime thing. Not sure any other team will ever do that to the Aussies in their own home with a second string team.
 
I think that the focus on Bazball + the Bairstow incident is taking away from the fact that Australia are simply a better team. There's people saying "This isn't how England played 12 months ago", "England can tweak their attacking approach a bit", and a lot of noise about the Bairstow incident.. playing a good team was always going to be a test of a tactic which relies on aggressive shot making and it's coming up short. I don't think it's a big surprise - Australia are just very good.

The McCullum interview of "We're galvanized by this" is symptomatic of this. The series score reads 2-0.
I think this is a fair assumption, albeit an obvious one. Australia are the number one team for a reason, they are very very good.

However, I have to say England are really not far behind.

England have made mistakes more than Austria have and that's why Australia are two up in the series.
 
I think this is a fair assumption, albeit an obvious one. Australia are the number one team for a reason, they are very very good.

However, I have to say England are really not far behind.

England have made mistakes more than Austria have and that's why Australia are two up in the series.
I actually thought there wasn't much between the two teams either initially both are bit flawed, Australia haven't exactly pressed on the advantage when they were in front but thats being ignored while expecting English to cut down the mistakes to get better . And Australia did have the worst of the conditions in this game while also losing a frontline bowler as well.

Thing is Australian has as much scope for improvement as English but with the advantage of being 2 up in Ashes . There is bigger Gulf in class between the teams than I initially thought English will need to do something extraordinary to come back and win it from here .
 
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