I take it Baz feels like his team is 2-0 up now.
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It’s not Bazball if you don’t win the Ashes from 2-0 down 
I’m assuming he’s injured.
Yep, first ball at the stumps and he is bowled! He was walking a meter or 2 to either side before the ball was released and yet Green continued to follow him instead of aiming one full and direct at the stumps.
Yes, most likely
Best team in the world my ass. There's not a lot between England and Australia. England are just a pacer (and some discipline) away from beating Australia.
They’re the best team in the world
Why was India never championed as the best test team when they beat the Australians in Australia twice?
If only there was a tournament that would help make this distinction for us.
Erm, they kind of were.
How many balls were bowled to Broad in that partnership? He allowed Stokes easy singles so Broad had only one or two deliveries to face.
Also, they only bowled three full deliveries to Broad. England had them and they shouldn't even be in that position chasing 370 odd.
Some garbage galaxy brain tactics so far this series, England did the same to Lyon.
Smith MOM
If the final of the "tournament" was in Sri Lanka, Bangladesh, Pakistan or UAE, the argument would be completely different.
Stokes confirms he'd have withdrawn the appeal .
.The tail-enders are an issue, as I mentioned before we started batting. Yes, Stuart Broad stuck around and showed a lot of grit but having him as a number 8 is a liability. Stuart Broad is, at best, a number 9, and that is pushing it. 10 is really where he should be. You really need a bowling all-rounder at eight and a bowler who bats a bit at nine. Stuart Broad is a fighter who will have a bit of flap but obviously he has hardly any technique these days and he often leaves all his stumps showing.
You could argue that both tests have in a way been decided by the lower order. Cummins and Lyon got Australia over the line in the first test, but if we had a half decent tail, say with Woakes, Moeen and two others, we could have won here, even with the Bairstow dismissal hampering us and Stokes falling when he did.
You could argue that both tests have in a way been decided by the lower order. Cummins and Lyon got Australia over the line in the first test, but if we had a half decent tail, say with Woakes, Moeen and two others, we could have won here, even with the Bairstow dismissal hampering us and Stokes falling when he did.
No team has won an Ashes series from 2-0 down post the days of timeless tests.
Well it’s not. I think it’s clear the top sides are all pretty close, with weaknesses in specific environments, Australia are probably the best across all of them and I think India aren’t the same side they were 1-2 years ago without Pant and Bumrah.
Yep, some of the decisions all around have been infuriating if you support either or mind boggling/amusing if you’re fairly impartial.
Did he explicitly say that? I thought he just said he would probably think about the game. No sound where I am!Stokes confirms he'd have withdrawn the appeal
Because world class seamers just grow on trees (even if your statement was true)
Stokes confirms he'd have withdrawn the appeal
McCullum played when they ran out Muralitharan when he was celebrating Sanagkarra’s hundred, he’s spoken about that dismissal before so I suspect England actually would have withdrawn it. Not sure if I’d agree with withdrawing it to be honest.
Stokes said he would question the spirit of the game
The fact that Carey threw the ball as soon he had it means that he must have noticed something.
It was daft cricket by Bairstow.
It was daft cricket by Bairstow.
I don't think England would have withdrawn it and neither should they have.
He was the one who removed the bails!
There we go. Premeditated. They knew exactly what they were doing. It’s even worse than a mankad.
Loved the answer from Stokes. Said it was out clearly but did mention the spirit. That’s perfect
All this is true and it should then have been withdrawn as an appeal.
And he regretted it many years after! He apologised to Sangakarra and Muralitharan in his Spirit of Cricket lecture in 2016.
I am not sure about a lot of things regarding this England team but I can tell you 100% that they would have withdrawn there. It’s fine though, shit happens.
You’re also assuming Bairstow would have cleanly taken the delivery (only kidding)
He’d have missed the stumps wouldn’t he
Love it when teams lecture about the spirit of the game.
https://7news.com.au/sport/cricket/mankad-dismissal-a-bad-look-says-cummins-c-24295
"I wouldn't want to win a game like that," Australian quick Cummins said in Abu Dhabi on Tuesday.
"It didn't really sit well with me ... it was a pretty bad look.
"If a batsman is trying to steal a run you can kind of understand but I didn't think Jos was doing anything untoward.
"You could probably almost argue when he was going to release the ball, he would have been in his crease."
Australia's Pat Cummins (loud booing): "Another wonderful game, right down to the wire. Few heart-stopping moments, the crowd seemed to enjoy it. Been a good day. [Headingley] A world-class player like Ben, at the top of his game, you start thinking the boundaries look pretty small. Not a lot in the wicket, it was tough, but I thought the way we navigated through it was good. Glad to have 200 on the board rather than 100 like at Headingley. Tried to stay patient, have the fields out for a bit. We stuck with it, happy to go at two an over. [Bairstow dismissal] Carey saw it happen previously, it's in the Laws, totally fair play. That's how I saw it. [Worst of conditions?] Losing Lyon, those games are set up for him on day five. To win without him is huge. The batters under lights, too. Huge win. [Lyon batting] Wasn't particularly happy but he was keen to get out there, did an amazing job and those 15-20 runs looked pretty important at the end. [Done for series?] Imagine so, we've got Todd Murphy here."
"I wouldn't want to win a game like that," Australian quick Cummins said in Abu Dhabi on Tuesday.
"It didn't really sit well with me ... it was a pretty bad look.
"If a batsman is trying to steal a run you can kind of understand but I didn't think Jos was doing anything untoward.
"You could probably almost argue when he was going to release the ball, he would have been in his crease."
Australia's Pat Cummins (loud booing): "Another wonderful game, right down to the wire. Few heart-stopping moments, the crowd seemed to enjoy it. Been a good day. [Headingley] A world-class player like Ben, at the top of his game, you start thinking the boundaries look pretty small. Not a lot in the wicket, it was tough, but I thought the way we navigated through it was good. Glad to have 200 on the board rather than 100 like at Headingley. Tried to stay patient, have the fields out for a bit. We stuck with it, happy to go at two an over. [Bairstow dismissal] Carey saw it happen previously, it's in the Laws, totally fair play. That's how I saw it. [Worst of conditions?] Losing Lyon, those games are set up for him on day five. To win without him is huge. The batters under lights, too. Huge win. [Lyon batting] Wasn't particularly happy but he was keen to get out there, did an amazing job and those 15-20 runs looked pretty important at the end. [Done for series?] Imagine so, we've got Todd Murphy here."
Commencing from the last Ashes, Australia have won 11 out of 19 test matches only losing 2 and winning 4 out of the 6 series. They have 4 batsmen in the test match rankings top 7 and 2 bowlers in the test match rankings top 6. Additionally 2 players in the test all rounder top 10. They are the best team at the moment.
The funniest part is the Aussies would have won anyway. Fired the team and the crowd up nicely now.
England walk this 3-2 from here.
England walk this 3-2 from here.
I think we've had this argument before. Individual honors and brilliance is one thing but there isn't any one "best test team" at the moment.
I wouldn't have but then I've no problems with mankading too so we'd have different views .
I support England and Jonny Bairstow is 100% at fault for his getting out.
I think England are sore about this because they are ultimately just too casual in their cricket to ground their bats. It seems like they have a pally relationship with the Australians up to a point and trust them not to do something considered unsportsmanlike, but ultimately, Australia are more fixated on winning, hence the dismissal and the manner of it.
I honestly don't have a problem with the dismissal. It's within the rules and it is the Ashes. Australia want to win and if they do a mankad that's up to them.
The question that bothers me is, why should they not expect this from Australia? They may seem like their 'mates', but they desperately want to win and that's a way they can get you out. By the laws of the game it's legal and England should not be holding up Australia to this 'gentleman-style' level that they are doing.
Just ground your bat and be switched on. It's professional cricket.
I think England are sore about this because they are ultimately just too casual in their cricket to ground their bats. It seems like they have a pally relationship with the Australians up to a point and trust them not to do something considered unsportsmanlike, but ultimately, Australia are more fixated on winning, hence the dismissal and the manner of it.
I honestly don't have a problem with the dismissal. It's within the rules and it is the Ashes. Australia want to win and if they do a mankad that's up to them.
The question that bothers me is, why should they not expect this from Australia? They may seem like their 'mates', but they desperately want to win and that's a way they can get you out. By the laws of the game it's legal and England should not be holding up Australia to this 'gentleman-style' level that they are doing.
Just ground your bat and be switched on. It's professional cricket.
I don't have the same issue with mankading as there the batsmen is trying to gain an advantage. I don't see the comparison.