English cricket thread

Dan_F said:
Which has come about because of how we batted against the short ball yesterday. I definitely haven’t been slagging everything off, but there’s no point trying to defend the indefensible.

Anyway, hopefully we can keep chipping away at this and get the lead down to stay in the test (and probably series).
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I thought the 45 mins yesterday was well over the top, I didn't defend it - just tried to explain it. Likewise Brook this morning.
 
Utd heap said:
I thought the 45 mins yesterday was well over the top, I didn't defend it - just tried to explain it. Likewise Brook this morning.
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Over the top is under statement,when did you last see England post score without Root or Stokes
 
So weird this one. Some odd decision making for sure starting from yesterday. Need another 50 to make a game of it.
 
The Aus bowling has started to come back into things after being below par for most of yesterday
 
Cloud7 said:
The Aus bowling has started to come back into things after being below par for most of yesterday
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Good point. It’s not all down to poor shot selection. England should really be winning both and may look at being down by 2. Let’s hope not.
 
What worries me most is I don’t get the sense this team reflects much and learns from it. The whole attitude seems to be this “this is how we play, isn’t it entertaining” thing with no sense of modifying for conditions.

Obviously with how things have gone so far we’ll probably start coming back and make it interesting again, but against a team as good as Australia I just always back them to be the one to convert their dominant spells into a result, whereas we seem to get ahead then falter.
 
Dan_F said:
Christ. The discourse after this game is going to be unbearable.
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Unfortunately when the subject matter for the discourse is so dire you can't expect anything better. I'm struggling to think of a bright spot, other than the start the openers made and ultimately Duckett's knock was better than he got credit for after the way it ended.
 
whitbyviking said:
Unfortunately when the subject matter for the discourse is so dire you can't expect anything better. I'm struggling to think of a bright spot, other than the start the openers made and ultimately Duckett's knock was better than he got credit for after the way it ended.
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The bright spot is prior to this we had won 1 test match in 17.
 
TheGame said:
It’s these cheap wickets, just giving them away.
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whitbyviking said:
Unfortunately when the subject matter for the discourse is so dire you can't expect anything better. I'm struggling to think of a bright spot, other than the start the openers made and ultimately Duckett's knock was better than he got credit for after the way it ended.
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It’s more the way that everyone equates Bazball as just attempting to slog everything. That’s not what happened in previous test.

Man, that’s nasty for Broad.
 
I don't get the negativity tbh. We smashed everyone to pieces leading up to the ashes against Australia, who are comfortably the best test team in the world. In the first test we really should have won, the second test we've got into positions where we're on top. We're scoring big runs (jesus, we went for years regularly being 50-3) regularly. The lack of a proper spinner is probably what is costing this team, not the approach to batting.
 
Agent Red said:
What worries me most is I don’t get the sense this team reflects much and learns from it. The whole attitude seems to be this “this is how we play, isn’t it entertaining” thing with no sense of modifying for conditions.

Obviously with how things have gone so far we’ll probably start coming back and make it interesting again, but against a team as good as Australia I just always back them to be the one to convert their dominant spells into a result, whereas we seem to get ahead then falter.
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Nah we aren't coming back this is OVER
 
Bowling been fantastic. Usually in tests when a team does the ‘short ball ploy’ it usually means they’re losing the plot. Not only has it tactically been well executed, the short balls were very well directed.
 
Dan_F said:
It’s more the way that everyone equates Bazball as just attempting to slog everything. That’s not what happened in previous test.

Man, that’s nasty for Broad.
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I agree that some people are just waiting to have a go and as England have been successful they haven’t had their chance and now they are salivating at the mouth.

At the same time, England’s match awareness in the previous test and this one has been dire. No concept of what the situation is which has then led to the problems they have encountered. 2-0 down isn’t going to look great.
 
slyadams said:
I don't get the negativity tbh. We smashed everyone to pieces leading up to the ashes against Australia, who are comfortably the best test team in the world. In the first test we really should have won, the second test we've got into positions where we're on top. We're scoring big runs (jesus, we went for years regularly being 50-3) regularly. The lack of a proper spinner is probably what is costing this team, not the approach to batting.
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The dumbass approach yesterday to the short ball has cost us Ashes without doubt. I feel so sorry for people that have tickets for the next 3 tests
 
It’s perfectly possible to be an overall supporter of the new approach and think it’s better than we were under Root, but to also expect us to improve its execution and show some kind of adaptation to game conditions. We can also expect the team to be sharp while being aggressive, which frankly we haven’t been in either match of this series so far.

If we want to become one of the top teams in the world we need to be honest about where we need to improve. It doesn’t have to be a “are you a believer or not?” binary thing.
 
zing said:
Bowling been fantastic. Usually in tests when a team does the ‘short ball ploy’ it usually means they’re losing the plot. Not only has it tactically been well executed, the short balls were very well directed.
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Yeah sadly we are utter crap at it
 
Funny how the part time spinners (Root and Head) have picked up some important wickets. Makes the decision to not include Ahmed even more silly.
 
Agent Red said:
It’s perfectly possible to be an overall supporter of the new approach and think it’s better than we were under Root, but to also expect us to improve its execution and show some kind of adaptation to game conditions. We can also expect the team to be sharp while being aggressive, which frankly we haven’t been in either match of this series so far.

If we want to become one of the top teams in the world we need to be honest about where we need to improve. It doesn’t have to be a “are you a believer or not?” binary thing.
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Exactly this.
 
Why didn’t they declare 10 mins ago? Pointless couple of overs. I thought Bazball was supposed to be attack-minded and innovative?
 
Well that was disappointing. Good conditions to bowl in, we need to use them better than we did the first morning.
 
Agent Red said:
It’s perfectly possible to be an overall supporter of the new approach and think it’s better than we were under Root, but to also expect us to improve its execution and show some kind of adaptation to game conditions. We can also expect the team to be sharp while being aggressive, which frankly we haven’t been in either match of this series so far.

If we want to become one of the top teams in the world we need to be honest about where we need to improve. It doesn’t have to be a “are you a believer or not?” binary thing.
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Spot on

I don’t think anyone wants to go back to seeing us try and bat out all day for draws and score 1-2 an over

What I think frustrates me the most is that we are playing probably the best team in the world and we can all see England could actually beat them this time around and they’re losing not due to Aussie brilliance but being the architects of our own destruction
 
slyadams said:
I don't get the negativity tbh. We smashed everyone to pieces leading up to the ashes against Australia, who are comfortably the best test team in the world. In the first test we really should have won, the second test we've got into positions where we're on top. We're scoring big runs (jesus, we went for years regularly being 50-3) regularly. The lack of a proper spinner is probably what is costing this team, not the approach to batting.
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Im sorry I’m not sure what test match you are watching but the batting approach has meant we have let an advantageous position slip and now we are nearly 100 runs behind.
 
Utd heap said:
The bright spot is prior to this we had won 1 test match in 17.
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I'm talking about in this test, not in general. I do believe "bazball" works for this set of England players, but it shouldn't be used as an excuse for stupidity, which has been evident in spades here.

5 wickets down for 47 runs, most of them unnecessary.
 
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