Stone is out till 2022 . I think the other alternatives are Vince or Malan
England v India 2021 Cricket Test Series
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Where are the South African born batsman when England need them most. This is what England are lacking atm.
Yeah England are a shambles when it comes to knocking over the tail, also just seen the BBC interview with Root and he looks seriously broken by this result so good luck getting back in this series now
I saw the post match and he was kind of accepting his captaincy issues. He also made a point to come out and shake the hands of Indian players. But I'm sure he's seething inside. Maybe it is better for him to walk away from the captaincy. Wins the toss, puts India in to bat, watch them pile up a lot of runs, scores nearly 200 runs, gets into a strong position and completely loses the plot in the morning session.
India channeled their fury and aggression much better than England. When things were getting heated out there, Anderson and co appeared like a brats while Shami and Bumrah played with a purpose.
Capitulation of the highest order by England. Get Root out and nothing left.
Spineless performance.
Spineless performance.
Would put Livingstone ahead of those 2. I’m still not even sure about Hameed really.
Amazing match, especially since yesterday after tea it was looking like heading towards a tedious draw. Indian pace attach is the best in the world, better than Aussies even right now. I have no qualms in saying that. If only we had 1-2 test matches with England before facing NZ in WTC final, the result would have been different.
easy nowEngland will win the remaining 3 matches, so all is good.Some of these comments
Too busy filling the British rugby sides
They are still busy racially abusing the black players in the saffer camp. Need to wait for them to leave
Root is at the top of the list of highest % run scorers for country. Nearly 30%...it's absurd that a team is depending on that
What's that?
South African team
Never heard of it. Never mind
Yeah should have appointed someone more experienced than Silverwood
Yeah felt that Curran should have stayed on for a couple of overs after lunch yesterday because would have been buzzing from getting Kohli out, mind you going for the throat in test matches just doesn't seem to be in the England DNA this last few years and it shows by how many times we have teams 5/6 down and can't blow away the rest.
The transformation under Kohli has been phenomenal. Weakened England side has helped but the character this team has shown over the past few years is down to the King. In my opinion, he'll go down as India's greatest ever. What a match - got to see yet another live Root hundred - he's a joy to watch.
Agreed.
There's been no chance for any of the players dropped or left out to play any cricket to find some form or rectify technique in a match situation either. Wouldn't surprise me if crawly comes back in for Sibley or Hameed but what has changed?
It's clear that the Indian players were fired up on this occasion which is fair enough but lets not pretend that Kohli doesn't act like an absolute helmet 99% of the time regardless of whether anything has come other way or not. I've never really understood why people get so affected by sledging albeit i've only experienced it at a lower level in club cricket. I would flat out refuse to take guard until they shut up.
England have turned into the West Indies of a few years ago where unless Chanderpaul scored runs they just capitulated.
We won the match despite Kohli doing nothing. I cannot remember when the last time he performed in a tough condition especially in ICC events.
Hoping this match leads to some serious soul searching and big decisions, however Root isn't generally the kneejerk type so wouldn't hold your breath on that ever actually happening.
Whilst I agree that not having red ball cricket right now is not ideal but I am not sure what you get from the county performances anyway . Most of the people playing right now are the best at the county level so they might go back and do well in county again but the gap seems to be too big at the moment
Tbh I think India would be even better with Rohit as captain. Kohli is too much of a hot-head to me. Seems a great leader in other aspects though.
Great Post Ayush.
The whole county game needs replacing with a handful of provincial teams imo. Run it in parallel with the test series at the start and end of the season. Leave a big block in the middle for Hundred and T20.
The problems go deeper than selection issues but we've got to ring the changes for the next test. Sibley is hapless and Curran is a pop gun/pea shooter fourth seamer. Just get them the feck out of there.
Alex Lees would be a decent replacement for Sibley but I honestly feel we'll just see Curran replaced with his brother or something.
Grim times.
Alex Lees would be a decent replacement for Sibley but I honestly feel we'll just see Curran replaced with his brother or something.
Grim times.
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Anderson is a force of nature, but should we, really still, be relying on someone of his age?
He's arguably England's greatest ever bowler, but was Bob Willis still playing aged 39, or Fred Trueman, or Harold Larwood ?
He's arguably England's greatest ever bowler, but was Bob Willis still playing aged 39, or Fred Trueman, or Harold Larwood ?
Over the last two decades all of the Indian captains have broken new barriers, which is inline with the maturing of Indian cricket during that time. At this point, India look to have the best chance of having a domination akin to Waugh's Australia, which won 16 on the trot. So you'd expect the person who comes after him to have even more formidable performances in SENA. Kohli has done a lot so far, but I won't put his achievements in a different class to Ganguly or Dhoni.
I think he's the least of our worries.
Kohli does what's good for his team. It doesn't matter whether you think he's a helmet or not. That's a big difference.
He's a fine player but on the field his behaviour towards opposition players in general is below standard. If you want to behave that way then great but i think it's poor.
So anderson and other english players giving it to Bumrah and Shami is fine but when kohli and Indian team gave it back Kohli is a helmet.
Don't want to take anything away from Ganguly or Dhoni but Kohli has completely changed Indian cricket. If you don't agree, that's fine. Just look at the likes of Shami, Ishant and Yadav under Dhoni and compare that to now. Those three were pretty average under MS and now we've maybe the best fast bowling attack in world cricket. Let's see how we progress through the series but Indian teams of old struggle in these conditions. Our mental is levels above any team I've seen before. I remember when MS complained about the trio under his leadership and now two of them are simply incredible.
I alluded to that in my first post - in this instance he was returning fire which is fair game but he has a reputation for being like that all the time.
Leave it. They don't like when it's not their player. According to some here Kohli should not celebrate when India gets a wicket and do not respond when his teammates get sledged. It's cute when they keep saying how Indians are looking for a fight when before they started crying about how Virat should not celebrate, most of the conversation was about cricket.
Don’t think either side is wrong about Kohli really. His behaviour on the field is embarrassing at most times and after a point it makes him look like an idiot. He is an incredible cricketer though with a remarkable desire to win cricket matches and if he played for my team I would probably love him too. You always have these players who everyone else hates. There is nothing wrong with sledging but there is a reason why none of the other Indian players get the same hate
Not all the time. There was no report or instance of so called bad behavior against NZ. In fact he is one guy who accepts defeat with grace. He only gives back when the opponent sledge him. Hence Australia and England always find themselves at the receiving end from him. Ollie Robinson was constantly giving it to Rahul in the first test. I didn't see so much moaning then by english fans. Nor when Buttler and Anderson were giving to Shami and Bumrah. This is part and parcel of the game. If we had lost or drawn people would have mocked Kohli for dropping the catch. But it's funny how some act as if all the english player are saints but Kohli is the only "helmet".
I don't mind Kohli because I admire those players that have a bit of bite and where you can see that raw competitiveness. It can overflow sometimes, as I'd say is the case with someone like Broad for us (who I like for similar reasons), so I can see why he's not for everyone.
If I was an India fan I'd be worried that sometimes Kohli doesn't know how to manage it and channel into calmness when he needs to dig his team out of a hole, but today other players did that for him and England messed up. Root I have the opposite concern with - too placid sometimes and not ruthless enough, but there's no obvious replacement as captain and at least at the moment it doesn't seem to be affecting his individual batting form.
I thought India would thump us in this match given our injuries and the fact they're a much better side than we are at the moment, so the final result wasn't a surprise, but having been in the position we were it's all the more frustrating and signals a worrying mental weakness to this England side.
If I was an India fan I'd be worried that sometimes Kohli doesn't know how to manage it and channel into calmness when he needs to dig his team out of a hole, but today other players did that for him and England messed up. Root I have the opposite concern with - too placid sometimes and not ruthless enough, but there's no obvious replacement as captain and at least at the moment it doesn't seem to be affecting his individual batting form.
I thought India would thump us in this match given our injuries and the fact they're a much better side than we are at the moment, so the final result wasn't a surprise, but having been in the position we were it's all the more frustrating and signals a worrying mental weakness to this England side.
Exactly the hate Kohli gets for anything he does is funny. He celebrates people hate him, he speaks to the umpires people hate him, he gives it back people hate him.
The fact that he's irreplaceable isn't a worry? That he still has to play at 39, because there's no one else?