Hearing Root saying no panic in an interview on radio makes me think Sibley is going nowhere, a mate of mine who used to be a sports journo for a local paper suggested we should give Hameed a go at opening as does it for Notts apparently
England v India 2021 Cricket Test Series
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The squad was announced only for the first 2 games so when they do it for the third test it would give a better idea.
Obviously it's a long term worry cos he's an ATG but he's still performing, is still fit and not the main concern when most of our batsmen are struggling to hit double figures.
I still think he has something to offer, Broad less so and i think they should be phased out playing together now. Curran is a poor option as a 4th seamer but wouldn't play if Stokes and Woakes were fit. Robinso is decent and worth sticking with and I like Stone and Mahmood but i'm not sure who else there is coming through. I know he's injured anyway but i've not been overly impressed with Jofra Archer when he's played. I don't get the obsession with Overton around the squad over the last few years either - the selectors obviously see something in him i don't.
What a brilliant test match! Just caught the highlights of day 5. Some great batting, bowling and fielding by both sides with some added spice. But overall a very good team performance by India with a masterclass of tail end wagging by Shami and Bumrah. They rode their luck at times, but England really let them off the hook.
Equally big change in test batting abroad before and after Ganguly.
0-3 to Australia, 0-2 to South Africa and 0-1 to England in the mid/late 90s. Embarrassing non-contests, no batting on tough pitches unless Sachin produced some magic, and no threat from the bowling.
Then, beat Waugh's full-strength team at home, and 1-1 away vs Australia and England with chances to win. Bowling is still poor, but batting is so much more resilient, so if somehow a bowler is in the mood, the match can be won. The same pattern continues till Sachin/Dravid/Laxman/Ganguly/Kumble/Harbhajan finally retire/get bad: 2011 tour of SA, which finished 1-1.
I think if the current team wins this series, they are for sure the best we've had. But it's been a slow build over 20 years in terms of mindset and confidence.
(if only we could fuse that batting with current bowling!)
Not really.
One can claim that England are the best white ball team in the world right now. But, England just lost an ODI and T20 series to India.
England also lost an ODI series to Aus in Sep 2020.
The use of the word dominating is quite silly. That is what KM is laughing at.
Not really.
One can claim that England are the best white ball team in the world right now. But, England just lost an ODI and T20 series to India.
England also lost an ODI series to Aus in Sep 2020.
The use of the word dominating is quite silly. That is what KM is laughing at.
He was clearly laughing at the "dominating" part.
One can claim that England are the best white ball team in the world right now. But, England just lost an ODI and T20 series to India.
England also lost an ODI series to Aus in Sep 2020.
The use of the word dominating is quite silly. That is what KM is laughing at.
The poster said england is dominating the white ball scene and that is what KM laughed at.
You can beat around the bush as much as you want, but the topic here the claim that England is dominating white ball cricket. After losing two ODI series in India and Aus in the last 1 year and 1 T20 series to India. In what way is that domination?
Won't get into the controversies involved, but it's not wrong to say there was very little separating Eng from NZ in the ODI WC as well. Don't think there's any single side in Test, ODI, or T20 cricket that is head and shoulders above the others.
Semantics.
The poster then went on a childish rant about how much he hates the English. It's obvious why he had issue with what I wrote.
Semantics?
You made a claim about Dominating white ball cricket.
Which someone found laughable and laughed at it.
Ever since the you and @TheGame have been tagging him and poking him and asking him to explain. Conveniently, while doing this either of you has never referred to "Domination white ball cricket", but talking about the stream of white ball cricketers.
If you don't think England has dominated white ball cricket, just take it back. And say that you exaggerated, you just wanted to bring up the "streaming in of talented players". I am sure KM will take his emoji (that you are so offended by) back.
Also, please stop pretending that this about his English fans comment, as it came much after the posts that I am talking about.
Also, I don't think he said he hates the english. He made a comment about English sports fans and how annoying they are. I don't agree with him, but stop this "english hate" nonsense.
It is obvious why he had an issue. You said England are dominating white ball cricket. It is quite a claim. Such a claim will always have people who disagree. I don't know why this not clear to you.
He made one post about why some people take pleasure in English losses given the arrogance and delusion of some English fans. It's hardly a controversial opinion when you go check the football threads on why most posters (and pundits/media/fans) had issues with England at the Euros as well.
I think it is far fetched to deduce that he hates the English from that post. Especially since it was surrounded by England posters who made his case by wishing actual physical assault upon the winning captain, Kohli.
I think there's a few helmets in the England team too mate. Anderson's behaviour is ridiculous at times - particularly when he then needs one of the other bowlers to go and do his dirty work like Wood did yesterday!
I think it's the childish laughing rather than the disagreement that's got people's backs up.
Exactly. The lack of self-awareness from some English fans is actually quite incredible. Two or three actual posts about wishing or implying physical violence on Indian cricketer and then accuse others of "hating" English. Unbelievable.
Pretty much this. England are no in way dominating white ball cricket at this moment. Yes, they won the world cup and are the best team in the world in LOI but the gap between the others isn't that big. Dominating is what that Australia team did in 1999-2007 where they eviscerated more or less every team they came against. Anyone with even minimal cricket knowledge will agree with whatever I'm saying. I suspect that English fans were bitter and sore after last night's defeat and that's why took offence to my laughing smiley, hopefully they see sense today.
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As an English fan, I see Kohli as very arrogant on the pitch, but I wouldn’t complain unless I thought he overstepped the mark or something similar. Someone compared him to Bruno yesterday, which is a good example. If he played for Liverpool we’d hate him. Scores lots of goals, goes down easy and rolls around…sound a like a certain Egyptian that we hate?
Same with a lot (not all) Indian fans online. Awful amounts of arrogance, so much so that it’s genuinely to funny to me that we’ve ended up talking about how everyone wants to see England lose because their fans are arrogant.
What is arrogant about England fans in cricket generally? I’m not interested in specific posts or comments on here, as this must be a long held view and go deeper than on here. If anything I find most to be pretty self deprecating, especially those watching for a long time.
Same with a lot (not all) Indian fans online. Awful amounts of arrogance, so much so that it’s genuinely to funny to me that we’ve ended up talking about how everyone wants to see England lose because their fans are arrogant.
What is arrogant about England fans in cricket generally? I’m not interested in specific posts or comments on here, as this must be a long held view and go deeper than on here. If anything I find most to be pretty self deprecating, especially those watching for a long time.
Yeah, we won't see that level of dominance again. That was like all star team playing together and with insane consistency. I don't see any team dominating any format, at best they are better than others but wouldn't say dominating.
Btw not sure why you are getting so much heat for a simple post, people should be quoting the post that wished physical assault on Indian players.
I have had a soft spot for England and would continue to support for them in the sad days of watching Steven Waugh hit a hundred on one leg against England and always thought there's a bit of sad self-deprecating humor about them that was endearing. A sort of "hanging on in quiet desperation is the English way" but Caf discussions aren't quite like that IMO.
What are you on about? He's an aggressive player and is quite vocal on the pitch. He does cross the line sometimes but to say he's a helmet all the time is pure nonsense. He's hardly Steve Waugh / Glenn McGrath tbf.
Love how Kohli acts/reacts on the pitch, something we didn't for years. Kohli takes it to next level, his energy levels are amazing, not sure how he is charged up whole day and all days of Test cricket.
Also it's all just talk on the pitch, it's been part and parcel of the game.
Also it's all just talk on the pitch, it's been part and parcel of the game.
Aye there's no doubt that he's very average tactically and makes some stupid decisions both with DRS and Selections but I absolutely love the backing that he gives to the pacers and you can see how he always motivates the team on field. Will be sad when he decides to retire as he clearly isn't the batsman he once was.
Yeah, didn't he improve with DRS? I thought he was making some good decisions (I only watched highlights btw).
Also true about pacers, pacers had much better record under him than under Dhoni. Remember reading few articles saying Indian pacers were only second to West Indian greats in total wickets for a season/calendar year.
I never thought we will have such a great attack with pacers, it was all medium pace bowlers with Spin dominating Indian cricket, now we can't even find a place for Bhuvi.
Yeah, didn't he improve with DRS? I thought he was making some good decisions (I only watched highlights btw).
Also true about pacers, pacers had much better record under him than under Dhoni. Remember reading few articles saying Indian pacers were only second to West Indian greats in total wickets for a season/calendar year.
I never thought we will have such a great attack with pacers, it was all medium pace bowlers with Spin dominating Indian cricket, now we can't even find a place for Bhuvi.
Another time for this perhaps but Dhoni is genuinely one of the most overrated and worst Test captains India has ever had. We looked completely rubbish in overseas test. There's no doubt in my mind that bowlers like Siraj wouldn't have got gametime under him.
He is pretty much a helmet all the time . I don’t see what’s so different between the Aussies you mentioned & him.
Siraj
Btw we (RCB) are taking credit for this. Remember how Russell completely smashed him couple of years ago and then the way he bounced back was unreal. I was always a big fan of his, he was erratic but you can see he had that ability. Never thought he would be this good, I thought he was good enough to fill domestic spot for IPL teams.
He has improved so much, his consistency is so much better now compared to couple of years ago.
Also regarding Captaincy, not sure about the context and all, Kohli is 4th in all time list for win%. That's brilliant record, also his away record is decent too (I think 2x wins in the same number of games compared to Dhoni).
You have breakdown of stats? Like how many games won at home, at away grounds for both.
Also the physical violence bit cracked me up,it’s pretty common to suggest after sporting events that I wish someone would just deck him. Everyone knows it’s not going to happen but it’s just a way of saying how much you hate their behaviour.
Can't find the data for that, I will be interested to see the difference in records at SENA countries. Under Dhoni we lost 4-0 consecutively at both England and Australia.Siraj
Btw we (RCB) are taking credit for this. Remember how Russell completely smashed him couple of years ago and then the way he bounced back was unreal. I was always a big fan of his, he was erratic but you can see he had that ability. Never thought he would be this good, I thought he was good enough to fill domestic spot for IPL teams.
He has improved so much, his consistency is so much better now compared to couple of years ago.
Also regarding Captaincy, not sure about the context and all, Kohli is 4th in all time list for win%. That's brilliant record, also his away record is decent too (I think 2x wins in the same number of games compared to Dhoni).
You have breakdown of stats? Like how many games won at home, at away grounds for both.
I like Kohli but his posturing yesterday was embarrassing.
Anyway, am I the only one who thinks international cricket is fecked as a sport? The gulf in quality, resources and interest in cricket between India and the rest is massive. India could put up four XIs and three would be in the top five in the world (in all formats).
Anyway, am I the only one who thinks international cricket is fecked as a sport? The gulf in quality, resources and interest in cricket between India and the rest is massive. India could put up four XIs and three would be in the top five in the world (in all formats).
Has to be Mahmood. Looks like genuine quality and a future test opening bowler.
Woakes being back is vital for us to stand any chance. If he's out, then Overton is worth a go (I feel sorry for him as he's always in the squad and not playing, plus his county averages are as good or better than Robinson, and he's added a yard of pace since his last test cap apparently)
Not sure about Pope, it still leaves us one short in the top 3, and means Pope or Bairstow will be batting too high as well. I suspect Root will put himself at 3 to try and fit better players in the team, but it won't end well. I suppose we could shunt Moeen at 3 which makes 4-7 look good on paper, but it wouldn't work and would mean we're 30-2 anyway, which is no change, but could impact Moeen's confidence and form IMO. That said, Burns, Sibley and Hameed (or Crawley) as a trio just don't have enough so we have to try something. I'd rather we attempt to win and lose the series 4-0 than try to nick a couple draws by padding the batting lineup. It's all just a warm up for the Ashes anyway.
Edit: Malan at 3 is the other option. He's got the technique and mentality IMO. Giving Bracey another go at 3 this time is another, but it's probably the wrong time for the that.
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People saying they don't like Kohli and what not but he is a true competitor.
He gives his all on the pitch, his emotion and the lot however; when he is off the pitch he behaves admirably and speaks really well, he isn't a sore loser either.
He gives his all on the pitch, his emotion and the lot however; when he is off the pitch he behaves admirably and speaks really well, he isn't a sore loser either.
Bingo. Debate and discuss by all means but if you want to act like a baby then you'll get treated appropriately.
Not really. India can barely put up a middle order
So what are the changes for the next match re: England? I'm guessing India will be going for the same lineup, although Ashwin might come in(If Headingley is spin friendly).
The fact that you have to step in to explain away the behaviour of him speaks volumes to be honest. Ironically he was behaving quite arrogantly and was called on it. Then went on to have a little rant about how he dislikes the English because they are arrogant
Anyway if you want to continue to discuss things on behalf of KM that's fine. Feel free to drop me a PM. That way it doesn't continue to take things off topic. I'm sure he's a big boy though and is capable of explaining his behaviour himself should he so wish.
What are you babbling on about? Can you clarify where I have 'poked' the poster? He responded with a laughing emoji, I asked him to explain why he thought the comment was so funny. As @TheReligion has stated, not sure KM needs a spokesperson but you seem to be taking the mantle.
Pope will come in for Sibley. Hameed will open. God knows who will bat at 3. Maybe Malan or Livingstone for one more change but can't see it. If Woakes is fit he will play for Curran and Mahmood for Wood if he is injured.
No pressure on Rory Burns? I don't think he looks particularly impressive. I think Malan at 3 is a guarantee. Wood shouldn't play in third test, he looked visibly injured at the end of his spell.
Wow I would like to be friends with you, you must have Gandhian standards.
Not a big Kohli fan myself but thought he was fine yesterday. What was embarrassing yesterday?