To be fair looking at this lot, low wages obviously isn't stopping them buying food or beer or tattoos.
England | right wing knuckle draggers on the streets
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It is all a bit of a worry. It also feels as though there’s a divide based on social class that is deeper than it ever was. For young people growing up in privileged, middle class families they are extremely progressive, on all issues. For the underprivileged, they’re likely to favour political extremes in the completely opposite direction. Whereas the politics of the parents of all these kids probably wouldn’t be all that far apart, and less extreme than their kids. So there’s a huge divide in society heading our way as this generation comes of age. We’re probably already seeing the consequences of it now.
That is a fantastic word.
I don’t know mate. Schools are much more racially diverse than when we were young. I’m actually pleasantly surprised by the non-discriminatory nature of the teens I know.
A number of factors that make the two not that comparable I think.
Firstly the police are effectively given less protection than the knuckle draggers if they do go in heavy handed. They are risking personal injury, being blamed for escalation, investigated for use of inappropriate force, etc. It will be circulated as propaganda against footage of the police not beating up incomparable peaceful protests. Where as idiot nazi man can just lob bricks at them then disappear into the night with no consequence or personal risk at all.
Secondly the situation is different. Its easy to arrest people who aren't mobile and are merely refusing to co-operate rather than being violent, and is unlikely to lead to lead to the situation getting worse. When there's a mob rampaging about the streets the priority becomes public safety and containment, and if you do start trying to arrest them en masse you either need a ridiculous amount of man power or the rest of them are potentially going to go full loony mode while you're at it and make the situation 5x worse.
Thirdly you'd suspect there will be more arrests to follow but it takes time to gather evidence and identify people. But in groups like this there will undoubtedly be thickos caught on camera doing something stupid, who are already on a database or seven.
Also think its important to put these morons into real perspective. They aren't any kind of majority. This is them rounding up in full force. A small group of balding men with crap tattoos who want to protect Britain from some imaginary invasion but also like doing nazi salutes. There's an alarming number of people in this country swayed by far right wing division/hate tactics, but a vast majority of them are people who read too many daily mail articles. Not the type of people who would ever want to be associated violent lunatics or actively bring harm to other people. These are just the EDL clowns under a different umbrella. They can't fight each other at the football anymore so this is what we get instead.
agree. it’s going to get worse before it gets better.
yeah but i thought that when i went to school. i saw the racism of grandparents and thought “we’re all at school together fine now, we play in the same football teams, we go round each other’s houses. it will die with the older generations.” and the same kids now are in their thirties and turning into their grandparents.
Well we’ll see, I have hope (a little bit anyway)
I think the problems start after school or during late school years when they are suddenly exposed to all the right wing propaganda on social media and haven't got the mental nous or experience to identify it as that. Then they start to turn away from the default, baked-in inclusivity they've have since pre-school.
Once you leave school and go out into the working world, often those environments are less diverse and more homogenous in many industries and if you fail to get into the workforce, there's social media again patting you on the back and comforting you that it's all because of the immigrants. What you do to stop that messaging is key. Obviously the previous government were more than happy to let it continue.
There’s a shit load of kids in that post school limbo right now who were denied any kind of school mediated integration with children of different ethnicity or background because of the pandemic. Especially the most underprivileged, many of whom basically went feral throughout the last few year of what should have been their school experience.
Awful isn't it? These are people with families too. The most painful part of it for me is the number of youths getting involved. It's not like we can say it's an older generational thing. People are just too easily influenced.
Middle aged and older people sat in Facebook all day in environments where they are lapping up anything and believing it's true because it agrees with their hate, and with every bit of misinformation and right wing propaganda this hate builds and builds, to the point where they are literally craving any opportunity to unleash it.
It's so so unhealthy living this way. Id hate to see the blood pressure readings of these people. It must be off the charts. Killing themselves in the name of believing and practicing utter vitriol based on absolutely nothing.
They are so used to consuming and exposing themselves to communities where they just blindly agree with each other that they are completely sapped of any critical thinking or ability to have an original thought, and immediately become enraged when they are even remotely disagreed with.
Sorry, just a venting of the spleen. I have a 3 year old and a 7 month old baby and I honestly fear for them
Middle aged and older people sat in Facebook all day in environments where they are lapping up anything and believing it's true because it agrees with their hate, and with every bit of misinformation and right wing propaganda this hate builds and builds, to the point where they are literally craving any opportunity to unleash it.
It's so so unhealthy living this way. Id hate to see the blood pressure readings of these people. It must be off the charts. Killing themselves in the name of believing and practicing utter vitriol based on absolutely nothing.
They are so used to consuming and exposing themselves to communities where they just blindly agree with each other that they are completely sapped of any critical thinking or ability to have an original thought, and immediately become enraged when they are even remotely disagreed with.
Sorry, just a venting of the spleen. I have a 3 year old and a 7 month old baby and I honestly fear for them
Just as an aside, and it might just be me, I'm seeing a lot of stuff on FB etc and the "protest" seems to be less about "foreigners" and more about Starmer and Labour.
Don't get me wrong the abuse initially is directed at "foreigners" and the whole "we want our country back". But as you read the replies the very person saying this stuff suddenly starts attacking Starmer and Labour and gets support from like minded individuals.
The conspiracy theorist in me is in overdrive as to why.
Sure the tattooed up knuckle draggers we have seen are simply racist, but can't help thinking there is an agenda behind this from someone higher up.
Don't get me wrong the abuse initially is directed at "foreigners" and the whole "we want our country back". But as you read the replies the very person saying this stuff suddenly starts attacking Starmer and Labour and gets support from like minded individuals.
The conspiracy theorist in me is in overdrive as to why.
Sure the tattooed up knuckle draggers we have seen are simply racist, but can't help thinking there is an agenda behind this from someone higher up.
I don't think it's specific to Starmer, these guys have so many conspiracies fed to the about the 'establishment' that they would be railing against any of the main parties that happen to be in power.
You're probably right and maybe it's just because everything has been taken up a notch, as in actual physical protests/riots.
And I'm taking a fairly small sample size as I'm not that active on social media. Mainly FB.
Just seemed odd where all the conversations I've read eventually lead to.
It's organised right from the top. The bot farms and fake news networks aren't free. Someone is backing this with millions.
I saw this yesterday and I still can’t get over it. The stupidity, ignorance and misguided nature of it all. Just imagine claiming to fight to reclaim England ….and then simultaneously walking around with a Nazi symbol tattooed on your back. The level of stupidity required here is unimaginable. Churchill would be turning in his grave.
Yeah, I noticed that too.
Anyone who's read Starmer's thread on here knows I'm not a fan of the guy, but I'm not sure how you can stick any of the events of the past week - or the state the country currently finds itself in - on him or his Labour government.
Has Suella called these hate marches yet?
Yeah I think so too and it's some genuine James Bond villain shit.
I like this response in an article from the Guardian.
https://news.sky.com/story/amp/suel...riven-out-to-reform-by-my-colleagues-13188796
She’s too busy laying the groundwork for her completely cowardly and totally predictable defection to reform.
Badenoch's only comment so far as far as I can tell has been to say it just shows integration in the UK is broken.
Imagine if it was still the tories in charge they would have been signing about them.
That's a nice idea, but I feel its not going to end well for him once one of the 'protestors' with more than a single digit IQ asks whether the burgers are halal. The far-right are famously keen on animal rights, and all.
The reasons will change depending on the direction of the wind, let's not believe they have some consistent cause. Some just want to go for a fight and a bit of drama with the police, no different to football hooliganism. They find something to attach onto (a club or a political movement in this instance) and then they use it as a trojan horse to get their aggressive side out. The problem is now, is that a lot of the older generation are enlisting and using the younger generation to latch onto their warped vision.
The younger generation are more tolerant and accepting. There’s no doubt about that. We are going the right way,
Supposedly they refused the offer anyway, so he ended up handing the burgers and chips out to the friendly locals who turned up to protect the mosque.
I do believe that the cause is consistent, it's precarity and a systemic abandonment by governing bodies. It's the same issue that exists among the communities they target who also rise up from time to time.
They are currently, but after 10-20 years of being force-fed anti-immigration right-wing propoganda every day, only the most resilient critical thinkers will still be tolerant and accepting as they approach middle age.
How so? You might be giving these half wits a bit too much credit tbh.
Starmer never waste any time it seems.
So many concerned citizens just wanting law and order back on the streets.
People that are in the worst socioeconomic situations are given personalized messages. The poor white demographic is told that foreigners took their opportunities(locally or abroad with globalization or immigration based narratives), minorities are told that they don't have the same opportunities or support because they didn't integrate themselves enough into society.
These messages are designed to allow politicians to abandon people by claiming that solutions aren't in their hands, it's your own fault or the fault of a foreigner and in both cases it's none of their business.
Bang on.
white christian evangelicals will happily excuse all of Trumps sinning as he helps them get what they want.
i dont understand what the folk here think they are getting from throwing their lot in with the likes of tommy Robinson who they know is a grifter.
i dont understand what the folk here think they are getting from throwing their lot in with the likes of tommy Robinson who they know is a grifter.
30p Lee was hosting a show on GB news last discussing if multi-culturalism has failed and thats the cause of the riots etc. Nothing to do the party of govt he was chair of.
So these racists people just appeared this week out of nowhere?
Have you ever been to those areas? What you're describing there is a reform voter down to a T. You can mirror the most deprived areas, and overlay reform votes.
It doesn't fully explain what we're seeing for me personally and with these recent riots is has a tiny element of that, however they're probably more driven by being racism than anything driven of socioeconomic reasons (some might use it as a trojan horse for their racist views), hence why they ship people into these towns. Dare I say it, professionals.
The dog whistle messaging has been about for nearly 30 years now.
Clearly Christian grave stones are the only weapon capable of taking on the muslamic ray guns
It’s funny because I bet that these exact same people had a fit when this happened during the George Floyd protests.