England | right wing knuckle draggers on the streets

Abraxas said:
At least pretend not to be so lilly livered and pathetic. The vast majority of this globe we live on have absolutely no difficulty distinguishing between indigenous people and recent arrivals, it is a uniquely western phenomenon. They had no such problem in my visits to Japan and China, for example. The only difference I can identify is that they aren't trying to maintain false piousness.
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Japan? The country which will have half their current population in 2100 and 40% of those will be over 65? Yeah their approach to immigration is not a problem for them at all.
 
Abraxas said:
What EDL? Its barely a functioning organisation, why are we giving them so much credit? This idea of organised right wing is absolute nonsense, it's just a mish mash of random indigenous people, some of which undoubtedly do hold right wing and violent views, some of which don't yet anytime certain views are held it is covered as right wing. Much of the time when protesters across the country are getting branded right wing it's just a cheap tactic to undermine genuinely held views, if they're right wing then the authorities don't have to address genuine concerns around immigration. The same as this stupid idea of branding people Islamophobic or racist to avoid a point of contention.

I didn't say the problems were all caused by foreigners. A ridiculous straw man, another common tactic to avoid confronting the point. Which once again, is that disproportionate crime is getting commited by certain communities, radical islam is a major threat, and fundamentally that we have completely botched controlling our borders and have let plenty of riff raff in over recent years, some of which are a net negative to the communities they are in.
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If you don’t want to be called those things, don’t be those things.
 
Abraxas said:
The issue is that Islamist extremists commit appalling atrocities. Which is perhaps why there is a deep mistrust among some British people of Islam. A phobia implies it is illogical, it is not illogical, it is based on events and particular sects of Islam and their backwards belief which is not helped by a reading of the Qur'an.

And people of particular ethnic minorities are committing disproportionate amounts of crime. Fairly straight forward, I chose my words carefully because they happen to be correct statistically.

I didn't point out what the reasons are, it's a complex issue but it's one worth facing not pretending that it isn't the case for fear of being called racist. That's where Britain is currently, plenty of extremists, plenty of crime as well as mobs of young migrant men hanging around various town centres.
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You didn't answer the questions.

I think this response tells me all I need to know.
 
Abraxas said:
The issue is that Islamist extremists commit appalling atrocities. Which is perhaps why there is a deep mistrust among some British people of Islam. A phobia implies it is illogical, it is not illogical, it is based on events and particular sects of Islam and their backwards belief which is not helped by a reading of the Qur'an.

And people of particular ethnic minorities are committing disproportionate amounts of crime. Fairly straight forward, I chose my words carefully because they happen to be correct statistically.

I didn't point out what the reasons are, it's a complex issue but it's one worth facing not pretending that it isn't the case for fear of being called racist. That's where Britain is currently, plenty of extremists, plenty of crime as well as mobs of young migrant men hanging around various town centres.
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This is a very disingenuous way of looking at the term. Would you feel more comfortable if it was called muslimophobia?

The overwhelming majority of people clearly use it to refer to bigotry and hatred directed at random towards people who are Muslim.

If I walk down a high street and punch a Muslim woman in the face at random, or scream random obscenities at her or rip the hijab off her head, what term would you use to refer to those actions?
 
nimic said:
Japan? The country which will have half their current population in 2100 and 40% of those will be over 65? Yeah their approach to immigration is not a problem for them at all.
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Don't insult the man. He's clearly a theologian who has spent many years studying the teachings of all the world's religious texts while imbibing the culture and ethos of both Japan and China. Where there are never any societal problems of any kind, and never have been.

In the 90s over in Japan, they were so good at keeping out islamist extremists, they were forced to roll up their sleeves start their own extremist religious groups to carry out their acts of terrorism. So you have to feel for them a little when they had no foreigners to blame for it all.
 
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EDL to be in Manchester tomorrow around Piccadilly Gardens??
 
We maybe need a 'far right in England' thread, because they're planning more protests this weekend.
 
Tibs said:
EDL to be in Manchester tomorrow around Piccadilly Gardens??
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They have planned protests all across the country for Saturday.
 
decorativeed said:
Don't insult the man. He's clearly a theologian who has spent many years studying the teachings of all the world's religious texts while imbibing the culture and ethos of both Japan and China. Where there are never any societal problems of any kind, and never have been.

In the 90s over in Japan, they were so good at keeping out islamist extremists, they were forced to roll up their sleeves start their own extremist religious groups to carry out their acts of terrorism. So you have to feel for them a little when they had no foreigners to blame for it all.
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Typical Japanese, never outsource anything.
 
Feel like this stuff kind of belongs in it's own thread now. 3 girls were killed and if I want to read about that I can't really without scrolling through pages of videos of arseholes being arseholes.
 
I don't know if it's true for all western countries but there is something interesting about the likes of EDL and various far right movements. They claim that their motivation is the increase of crimes but in France and the UK the peak was in the 80s-90s, it has been followed by a stagnation and then a regression. Their narrative doesn't match data.
 
JPRouve said:
I don't know if it's true for all western countries but there is something interesting about the likes of EDL and various far right movements. They claim that their motivation is the increase of crimes but in France and the UK the peak was in the 80s-90s, it has been followed by a stagnation and then a regression. Their narrative doesn't match data.
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Yes. Their feelings don't care about facts.

And will not be swayed one iota by them.
 


Very logical protests against Islam going on here by indigenous people.
 
decorativeed said:
Yes. Their feelings don't care about facts.

And will not be swayed one iota by them.
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I don't know if it's the case in the UK but their feelings are too often "supported" by mainstream politicians. Which is daft.
 
@nimic - you should remove the word protestors from the title. These people are yobs and hooligans plain and simple. They have hijacked the tragic and abhorrent events in Southport and should be ashamed of trivialising the violent deaths of 3 innocent children.
 
In the 80s, my generation of British Asian Muslims were told by our parents to keep a low profile and stay out of the way when things kicked off. Now I think times have changed, and we are more than ready to stand our ground. Racist nazi scumbags are in for a shock.
 
Is there any chance whatsoever this won’t strengthen Farage and Reform?
 
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