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It’s actually hard to believe this is happening. If you wrote a film about a dystopian future, making the owner of a massive and influential media corporation such an obviously biased propagandist would probably be too on the nose.

Yeah, anyone who even uses Twitter is on my list at this point.
 
I've said it before, but I can't believe that he has the time to tweet so much nonsense, and that he obvious fascist rhetoric isn't leading to mass turnover for his companies. I wouldn't want to work for a company associated with him in any way.
I mean he's laid off the bulk of the workforce in his various companies.

Also the tech hiring market is pretty bleak atm, I completely understand those companies' employees feeling apprehensive about leaving. In a healthier market I'm sure the bulk of them would have jumped ship.
 
Aye, but like the poverty the fact their target is misdirected is again a construct. It's not just accidentally misplaced ire. It's always been the way. Black workers were bussed from the south to break strikes in the early days of unions in the US. That worked a treat! That's why I mentioned the always available platform for rabble rousing scum like Farage and Robinson with Corbyn vilified Chomsky only ever appearing in Unis and bookstores.

Ok well I agree it suits bad actors to push their buttons. Although I’m not sure all of this is as carefully planned as you imply. Fear and distrust of “other” is baked into the human condition and when life gets tough then tribalism inevitably gets more extreme.
 
Visiting London and Manchester this month with family. Not sure how safe would it be with these riots. Any advice?
Just avoid Piccadilly Gardens on Saturdays and Sundays. And also any other days.

This isn't just advice for this month, just general for anyone visiting Manchester at any time.

Also, visit the suburbs, where it's unlikely to ever kick off, and you'll find much nicer places than in the city centre.
 
Ok well I agree it suits bad actors to push their buttons. Although I’m not sure all of this is as carefully planned as you imply. Fear and distrust of “other” is baked into the human condition and when life gets tough then tribalism inevitably gets more extreme.
Exactly, if you know that and I know that ... that mistrust doesn't need careful planning, just nudges, continuously.
 
I've said it before, but I can't believe that he has the time to tweet so much nonsense, and that he obvious fascist rhetoric isn't leading to mass turnover for his companies. I wouldn't want to work for a company associated with him in any way.
Most people don’t even manage to delete their Twitter accounts and you want them to quit their jobs?
 
I mean he's laid off the bulk of the workforce in his various companies.

Also the tech hiring market is pretty bleak atm, I completely understand those companies' employees feeling apprehensive about leaving. In a healthier market I'm sure the bulk of them would have jumped ship.
Fair point. Still, I expect the most talented employees could find jobs elsewhere, but obviously that might involve relinquishing some long-term incentive upsides, relocation or both.
 
Just avoid Piccadilly Gardens on Saturdays and Sundays. And also any other days.

This isn't just advice for this month, just general for anyone visiting Manchester at any time.

Also, visit the suburbs, where it's unlikely to ever kick off, and you'll find much nicer places than in the city centre.
Why Piccadilly Gardens, haven't been to Manchester for a while.
 
Is Musk clearly being a far right racist feck about to finally go mainstream? He needs to be put down.
He has been going more and more right since covid. At this point, he is definitely far-right and have very abhorrent views.
 
Most people don’t even manage to delete their Twitter accounts and you want them to quit their jobs?
I'm just saying that if I worked for an obvious fascistic piece of shit, and I had the opportunity to find another job, I would. A large share won't have that opportunity for a number of reasons, I get that.
 
Is Musk clearly being a far right racist feck about to finally go mainstream? He needs to be put down.
Probably, I think he's only gone right-wing as much of the anti-car environmentalist movement is aligned with the left. If a far-left movement made teslas for everyone a priority he'd be a top comrade.
 
He has been going more and more right since covid. At this point, he is definitely far-right and have very abhorrent views.
I think at this point it’s pretty obvious that these have always been his views - and he spent billions on his social media platform to amplify and drive that ideology. Him and his algorithms radicalising millions is a clear and present danger that needs to be dealt with now.
 
I'm just saying that if I worked for an obvious fascistic piece of shit, and I had the opportunity to find another job, I would. A large share won't have that opportunity for a number of reasons, I get that.
I‘m absolutely on your side. But the sobering truth is, that most people don’t care enough. They aren’t even willing to delete an account on a page dedicated to amplify racist propaganda, because they like to follow some idiots on there. They will then link a tweet about how terrible Twitter is and confronted with the missing logic, they will say something like: „it’s ok for me to read der Stürmer. If you ignore everything else that’s on there, the weather report is really great and about 4 seconds quicker then normal ones. So I need it.“
 
Fair point. Still, I expect the most talented employees could find jobs elsewhere, but obviously that might involve relinquishing some long-term incentive upsides, relocation or both.
I think many of them have. Him and other tech bros mandated a return to office policy for their companies hoping it would lead to folks leaving instead of paying them a redundancy package, but the plan spectacularly misfired as it mostly forced out their best employees who were able to land other jobs, whereas they got stuck with the weaker employees.
 
Probably, I think he's only gone right-wing as much of the anti-car environmentalist movement is aligned with the left. If a far-left movement made teslas for everyone a priority he'd be a top comrade.
Nah. People continually trying to make excuses and think it’s all part of some game for him or epic trolling. The guy is actively pedalling a far right agenda - his algorithms are actively pushing Tommy Robinson and today he’s actively posting far-right racist propaganda - it’s time to call a spade a spade as hard as it may be to believe - he’s a fecking racist cnut.
 
I think many of them have. Him and other tech bros mandated a return to office policy for their companies hoping it would lead to folks leaving instead of paying them a redundancy package, but the plan spectacularly misfired as it mostly forced out their best employees who were able to land other jobs, whereas they got stuck with the weaker employees.
Nah. Most big-tech companies have some 3 day/week in office policy. Some people liked it, some not, but it is fantasy to think that the good ones didn't like it and left. There is nowhere to leave considering that a) almost all companies have this policy nowadays, b) the compensation of FAANG/Big-N companies still remain out of this world, and far higher than anywhere else except hedge funds (many of which have work only from office policy, and double the working hours of FAANG). So sure, you can leave a TC package of 300K/year to go to some bizarre statup that pays you 120k/year, but not many people are rich enough to do so.
 
I‘m absolutely on your side. But the sobering truth is, that most people don’t care enough. They aren’t even willing to delete an account on a page dedicated to amplify racist propaganda, because they like to follow some idiots on there. They will then link a tweet about how terrible Twitter is and confronted with the missing logic, they will say something like: „it’s ok for me to read der Stürmer. If you ignore everything else that’s on there, the weather report is really great and about 4 seconds quicker then normal ones. So I need it.“
Absolutely. I'd love for people to be a bit more "activist" when it comes to selecting employer and purchasing goods, but I know it's not realistic. People have other priorities, don't really pay enough attention, or don't care enough. If you asked the average person on the street about Elon Musk, they'd probably say he was a cool inventor type. I also have several friends that recognize Musk is crazy, but still drive Teslas.
 
You know things are bad when piers Morgan starts to become a voice for reason.
Morgan will spend the next few months challenging Musk because that garners him attention.

He will then somehow agree to an interview and flip into being a sycophant.
 
It’s actually hard to believe this is happening. If you wrote a film about a dystopian future, making the owner of a massive and influential media corporation such an obviously biased propagandist would probably be too on the nose.
I always look at this and then remember when he tried to portray himself as the saviour of the poor and starving, offering to end world hunger, appearing as himself on The Big Bang Theory pretending he was the kind of guy to help out at a homeless shelter on Thanksgiving.

That was back in 2015. He seemed to care about being liked by the public and seen as a good guy.

Three years later, 2018, he calls out that rescuer in Thailand as 'pedo guy' on twitter. People called him out on it and he got arsey about it, yet somehow won the following defamation case.

Six years on, and he owns the platform he made that comment on and has opened it up so that anyone can do similar without fear of being kicked off the site, and has restored access to some of the world's worst right-wing antagonists and shit-stirrers with him as their champion.

The guy is pathetic and dangerous in equal measures.
 
I always look at this and then remember when he tried to portray himself as the saviour of the poor and starving, offering to end world hunger, appearing as himself on The Big Bang Theory pretending he was the kind of guy to help out at a homeless shelter on Thanksgiving.

That was back in 2015. He seemed to care about being liked by the public and seen as a good guy.

Three years later, 2018, he calls out that rescuer in Thailand as 'pedo guy' on twitter. People called him out on it and he got arsey about it, yet somehow won the following defamation case.

Six years on, and he owns the platform he made that comment on and has opened it up so that anyone can do similar without fear of being kicked off the site, and has restored access to some of the world's worst right-wing antagonists and shit-stirrers with him as their champion.

The guy is pathetic and dangerous in equal measures.

That’s your supervillain origin story, right there.
 
I always look at this and then remember when he tried to portray himself as the saviour of the poor and starving, offering to end world hunger, appearing as himself on The Big Bang Theory pretending he was the kind of guy to help out at a homeless shelter on Thanksgiving.

That was back in 2015. He seemed to care about being liked by the public and seen as a good guy.

Three years later, 2018, he calls out that rescuer in Thailand as 'pedo guy' on twitter. People called him out on it and he got arsey about it, yet somehow won the following defamation case.

Six years on, and he owns the platform he made that comment on and has opened it up so that anyone can do similar without fear of being kicked off the site, and has restored access to some of the world's worst right-wing antagonists and shit-stirrers with him as their champion.

The guy is pathetic and dangerous in equal measures.

he also pledged to fix the flint water crisis and as far as I recall did close to feckall about it
 
Why Piccadilly Gardens, haven't been to Manchester for a while.
The area around Piccadilly gardens (particularly as it approaches Oldham Street) has become a focus for a lot of VERY dodgy types in the last few years. It used to be the case that you would get a few homeless people and drug addicts shambling about in that area of an evening...but now there are a lot of people looking to exploit commuters /tourists people trying the food market stalls and passing through town.

Some genuinely look like victims of Human trafficking and seem completely out of it. The atmosphere can get very scary - and that's coming from someone who used to work in town for many years. I now use the back streets / ancoats route or the tram if I have to get from Piccadilly to another part of town.

Periodically GMP do a sweep of the area ahead of major events and it seems great - Like for example when City played Real Madrid on 18th April 2024 town was full of fans but there was little or no trouble. The next evening I was in town and it was absolute carnage - it was like there were little turf wars kicking off everywhere as "the dispossessed" had been allowed back into town and were trying to reclaim their favourite spots. I had planned to go and find a place to eat but just gave up and ordered into my hotel.
 


A white community. Always has been and always will be.

Except white Catholics. He'd burn them out too.

A massive bigot and the type holding the North back. (There'd be Nationalists of his type too that are holding it back, before anyone says I'm being sectarian."
 
Why Piccadilly Gardens, haven't been to Manchester for a while.
It's just a horrible, busy place that the council have absolutely no idea what they want it to be or what to do with it, so a handful of ill-conceived schemes have led to it becoming a shanty-town wedged between two bus stations at the busiest intersection for vehicles and pedestrians in the city. As such, it is a great spot for dealers to meet, scuffles to break out and street preachers to break out their megaphones.
 
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Site should be blocked by ISP's. Never expected to advocate for that but its so outrageously toxic i think its necessary. Maybe just charge him with incitement of violence / hatred but i really think the world would be significantly better without twitter.
 
The 100 yards between the McDonald's and Wetherspoons in Manchester Piccadilly is perhaps the most sordid stretch of pavement the UK has to offer.