England | right wing knuckle draggers on the streets

I'm just saying that if I worked for an obvious fascistic piece of shit, and I had the opportunity to find another job, I would. A large share won't have that opportunity for a number of reasons, I get that.
Imagine how we’d all be feeling now if he had bought Manchester United
 
Unbelievable. It's been quite a week of fear for a lot of people. So depressing.

I'm going to an Everton game with my wife at the end of August (she is non-white and Muslim) and she's a bit worried about it. I still don't think the general UK population really understands how much this impacts minority communities and people.

True, people can go on and on about this being a minority, and I believe it is, but for something terrible to happen you only need a minority. And then you take a look at social media and see the support these cnuts get, it's always in the back of your mind when you look at a neighbor or just a stranger on the street, is this guy one of them? Must be a terrible feeling.
 
I'm going to an Everton game with my wife at the end of August (she is non-white and Muslim) and she's a bit worried about it. I still don't think the general UK population really understands how much this impacts minority communities and people.
To be fair, she probably also doesn't want to go and watch that shite and has an airtight excuse to stay at home now!
 
Elon might be a piece of shit but he's a clever businessman. He's appealing to the demographic that can boost his Twitter metrics.
Nothing new. He sucks up to the govt in power in almost every country. If the govt wants to promote hatred, their team looks the other way and even actively blocks and deletes the tweets criticizing the hate.
 
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As long as there's those better off and those worse off this sort of thing will always happen, and the ones well off will always sow/redirect the division otherwise they end up being the target.

My worry is that having the Tories in charge for so long (particularly once Boris started to have an influence) has amplified this problem to the point its given the far right a foothold rather than them effectively being bridge trolls. The Tories started pandering to hate politics in their desperate attempt to stay in power, then Reform just stepped in as a sort of half way house between "I blame foreigners for the fact I have less money" and "Hitler was pretty cool".

A lot of the idiots smashing stuff up atm might be more people looking for an excuse to take out their anger than driven/devoted racists, but either way they end up being the foot soldiers, because they're fecking stupid and easy to manipulate as long as you pander to their anger.
From Boris reign, they tried to copy Trump on every step. It was never going to work
 
Nothing new. He sucks up to the govt in power in almost every country. If the govt wants to promote hatred, their team looks the other way and even actively blocks and deletes the tweets criticizing the hate.
Yep. He’s very much in the ‘free speech when its on my terms’ camp. Worst of the lot.
 
Sorry - I'm just trying to make light of an awful situation. I genuinely feel for people in her shoes in who have been made to go through this, step out of the house and hope for the best in terms of not encountering these emboldened thugs. I've found myself trying to compensate by being extra nice to others when I'm out and about this week.

Also, my son is an Everton fan, so I'm just hard-wired now to take the piss.
 
From Boris reign, they tried to copy Trump on every step. It was never going to work

Boris has always been a biggoted racist with no basic morals. So it was never going to end well in terms of not opening the door for biggoted racism.

All those who voted him in just because they didn't like Corbyn not wearing a tie properly or got bored with Brexit dragging on due to it being a shite idea, are partially responsible for this mess.
 
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Sorry - I'm just trying to make light of an awful situation. I genuinely feel for people in her shoes in who have been made to go through this, step out of the house and hope for the best in terms of not encountering these emboldened thugs. I've found myself trying to compensate by being extra nice to others when I'm out and about this week.

Also, my son is an Everton fan, so I'm just hard-wired now to take the piss.
I'm only jesting too. Agree though, doing a little thing like that helps a lot.
 
Racist idiot parents breed racist idiot children.
There is no hope for some of these kids apart from a small percentage who have the intelligence and wherewithal to make their own decisions about things.
I’m not sure how you can change that despite every school I know of teaching tolerance and inclusivity. Eventually the home environment wins out.
Also can we not just shut down twitter in the UK? Just tell Elon to feck off? We’d be a much better place without it.
 
True, people can go on and on about this being a minority, and I believe it is, but for something terrible to happen you only need a minority. And then you take a look at social media and see the support these cnuts get, it's always in the back of your mind when you look at a neighbor or just a stranger on the street, is this guy one of them? Must be a terrible feeling.
The thing is, people talk about this “minority”. And it is a minority of people who hold that view. But it definitely isn’t the several thousand we’ve seen rioting. Those are just a part of the minority who are willing to act this way.

The scary thing is that there’s then a whole load, a significant enough portion, who share very similar ideology but aren’t going to go out and riot. That’s the scary thing.
 
The thing is, people talk about this “minority”. And it is a minority of people who hold that view. But it definitely isn’t the several thousand we’ve seen rioting. Those are just a part of the minority who are willing to act this way.

The scary thing is that there’s then a whole load, a significant enough portion, who share very similar ideology but aren’t going to go out and riot. That’s the scary thing.

Yes. Plus the people stoking it. Lineker was 100% correct to address the language in Parliament and the media last year.
 
Yes. Plus the people stoking it. Lineker was 100% correct to address the language in Parliament and the media last year.
We live in an incredibly polarised world and country. The truth is I’ve come to realise that those who light the match with their language aren’t just doing it to “win politics” or because they just don’t see the consequence, they do it because at best they don’t care about the consequence or at worst hold those beliefs themselves “in the closet”.

We are on a significant downward spiral, one made worse by the fact that some billionaire several thousand miles away can intervene and reach millions with a few twigs of his fingers in seconds, and it’s incredibly difficult to see a route back.

I know that sounds doom and gloom but genuinely think we are on a very dangerous course.
 
Is it kicking off in Salford does anyone know?
There was a rumoured protest today around Salford Precinct area. Most of the shops closed around lunch time as a precaution, large police presence but nothing happened.
 
We live in an incredibly polarised world and country. The truth is I’ve come to realise that those who light the match with their language aren’t just doing it to “win politics” or because they just don’t see the consequence, they do it because at best they don’t care about the consequence or at worst hold those beliefs themselves “in the closet”.

We are on a significant downward spiral, one made worse by the fact that some billionaire several thousand miles away can intervene and reach millions with a few twigs of his fingers in seconds, and it’s incredibly difficult to see a route back.

I know that sounds doom and gloom but genuinely think we are on a very dangerous course.


At source I genuinely think it's a version of divide and conquer more than it's racism. It's more sociopathy than ideological racism I think. History has taught us that most humans are pretty much disposable in the face of benefit of the elite.

Slightly related, heres an abstract from an academic piece on JSTOR.org

"The role of the mass media is crucial in the construction of ideologies and identities in the contemporary world. Combining corpus linguistic methods, namely concordance and collocational analyses, with Critical Discourse Analysis (CDA), this study focuses on the representation of European migrants in the British press between 2013 and 2014, referred to as the pre-Brexit period. This combination of methods helps to identify various linguistic mechanisms and discursive strategies employed by the left-wing and right-wing UK broadsheets and tabloids in the promotion of their alternative positions, representing social actors in migration discourse. The study concludes that the right-wing newspapers, The Daily Telegraph and The Daily Mail, systematically employ recurrent linguistic patterns such as migrants as a burden and migrants as a threat along with different types of quantification, genericization, collectivisation and impersonalisation techniques, thereby creating a stable linguistic construct of the undesirable European migrant... "
 
Most of the people doing this aren't even protesting, it's the same copycat behaviour we saw a couple of years back when that guy (Lee Duggan?) was killed in London. Started off as a protest, but by the time it reached Manchester it was gangs of scallies with an excuse to smash things up and trying to rob trainers from JD Sports.

It would be wonderful if everyone caught and charged for this were deported, and forced to seek asylum in a hostile environment. Somalia would be ideal.

In other news, wouldn't the world be a much better place if Musk, Farage and Trump were all dead? Even better if they'd never existed. Wouldn't wipe my arse on them.
 


That’s a lot of lives about to be ruined there, and for what?


They’re the same people that would have cheered 5 years for the M25 disrupters… so in all honesty, Fcuk ‘em. Give them the same punishment.
 
The thing is, people talk about this “minority”. And it is a minority of people who hold that view. But it definitely isn’t the several thousand we’ve seen rioting. Those are just a part of the minority who are willing to act this way.

The scary thing is that there’s then a whole load, a significant enough portion, who share very similar ideology but aren’t going to go out and riot. That’s the scary thing.
Election night was a real eye opener for me, seeing the amount of northern and midland constituencies where Reform finished a strong second.
 
Election night was a real eye opener for me, seeing the amount of northern and midland constituencies where Reform finished a strong second.


We had local elections over here in Ireland recently and elected a handful of utter scumbags. I hope it was just a protest and doesn't carry on to the general election.
 

Man jailed in relation to disorderpublished at 18:41
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A man has been jailed following disorder in Bolton on Sunday.

James Nelson, 18, from Victoria Road, Horwich, pleaded guilty at Manchester Magistrates' Court to causing criminal damage. He is thought to be the first person to receive a prison sentence in relation to the unrest.

- Don't know how long he got
 
There's the trouble though. We don't want to live in a country where we can say our government has taken the same action as that of China, which is essentially a dictatorship which censors and limits the free speech of its people.

Most people would have a problem with that as a point of principle, but Tommy Two Names and his pals on the right will have an absolute field day with that.

Plus there are multiple ways to circumvent tech barriers, so it'd be doomed to failure anyway.

Frankly, I'm at a total loss as to how we deal with platforms like Twitter with owners like Musk.
Indeed, but we also don't want to live in a country where a platform/outlet can instigate mob rule by pushing false information, free speech comes with responsibilities, however, none of us really have free speech, there are plenty of laws around that will get you in to legal trouble if you say certain things