England | right wing knuckle draggers on the streets

buchansleftleg said:
This one is a local court story that just keeps on giving...like a knuckle dragging Charlie's angels in Sunderland!

https://www.chroniclelive.co.uk/news/north-east-news/three-rioters-plead-guilty-violent-29677885
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Josh Kellett, 29, of Southcroft, Washington, also known as Josh Major, pleaded guilty to violent disorder in the city centre. He was seen “throwing a stone” at police while also wearing a balaclava. Mr Garside told the court that Kellett was identified from his distinctive tattoos and arrested.

The court was told he had 20 previous convictions for 32 offences, including a public order offence and violence. Sandra Fife, defending, did not make an application for bail.
 
Roane said:
I agree. As an Asian immigrant myself (and Muslim to boot) these times are scary times, or certainly the news lately.

To be honest though some of these kids smashing windows don't scare me, neither do some of the onlookers making odd comments here and there. Disappointed but not scared.

What is scary, however, is the platform given to likes of Tommy and likes of Farage.

Most scary is the media take and presentation, some of which has been posted on this thread.
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Absolutely..that's the worst aspect of this....even this piece from the BBC...trying to show the impact of these idiots in Rotherham terrorising asylum seekers and other families...ends with the comment that "police would not tell us where the asylum seekers had been taken to!" - No SHIT SHERLOCK!

https://www.bbc.com/news/live/cw5yyynpwnzt?post=asset:cd59eda0-b653-46f6-87f2-069bc30b45dc#post

The poor sods have been a few police officers away from being lynched or trapped in a burning building by gurning families sharing their racist attitudes on TikTok - I think they deserve a break don't you!
 
Speaking of hotels, the area I live in has had two prominent hotels in it from when I was a kid.

Over the years there have been a variety of initiatives (usually European funded before brexit) that were intended to regenerate the area.

What people don't often see is that the regeneration projects have a set amount of money for an area and look to lever in money from the private sector. An example in my area would be land that is contaminated due to previous industry. No private sector body wants to touch this as it may cost millions to decontaminate. So the regeneration projects agree with t the private investor that they will pay for clean up, with a commitment to build on the land and commit to a few conditions. So for a house builder it may 10% of housing to be for certain needs ie low income rentals.

The project then pays say £1 million for clean up. They builders invest 5 ., the project puts this as 6 million spent in their monitoring returns. This was a £7m pound funded regeneration project over say 5 years is written as spending £30m in an area by government.

Now going back to my 2 hotels. Because private companies see regeneration projects as free money they target these areas where I live as these areas got a lot of money. They commit to building hotels as it increases their portfolios knowing they will not be busy as such, which aids their tax etc.


So in my area we have now loads of hotels, ibis type of thing.

The 2 hotels in mentioned earlier became housing for drugs and alcohol dependents. One now closed down but would have lived to house migrants because they would have made more money than previously.

Some of these hotels are housing migrants through need and often greed. Just the same as landlords did with multiple occupancy immigrants a few years back. I mean why rent out a house for £400 a week when you can charge per person and put 10 -20 people in there.
 
Di Maria's angel said:
And they'll be able to justify it as well. Because that's exactly what's happening. If the rioters were slightly more intelligent then they could have done this right way and actually fought for their rights. This level of stupidity, if anything, plays into the governments hands.
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There's definitely a wrong way but I don't think there's a right way to be honest. Whether you're a middle class kid concerned about injustices/climate change or a mindless thug fed by an algorithm to hate immigrants there's no real way to have your voice actually heard beyond disruption and outbursts which is arguably ineffective.

We've never before had so much content shoved at us whilst simultaneously having so few ways to do anything about it. Its crazy and people aren't going to involuntary reduce their world back to what actually impacts them directly nor suddenly increase their IQs.

Time for governments to at least limit hate speech on social media. What limited steps we can take to reverse the damage we should. Even then none of us can make it happen, we're reliant on just waiting to see if a political class want to do it.
 
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Smores said:
There's definitely a wrong way but I don't think there's a right way to be honest. Whether you're a middle class kid concerned about injustices/climate change or a mindless thug fed by an algorithm to hate immigrants there's no real way to have your voice actually heard beyond disruption and outbursts which is arguably ineffective.

We've never before had so much content shoved at us whilst simultaneously having so few ways to do anything about it. Its crazy and people aren't going to involuntary reduce their world back to what actually impacts them directly not suddenly increase their IQs.

Time for governments to at least limit hate speech on social media. What limited steps we can take to reverse the damage we should. Even then none of us can make it happen, we're reliant on just waiting to see if a political class want to do it.
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There's no relation between the government screwing a person over and that person racially abusing coloured people though. And I'm grossly understating the second part.
 
About a year ago, Gary Linekar and anyone sensible was being labelled as toxic & irresponsible for suggesting that Sunak, Truss, Farage, Braverman et al were using language and rhetoric reminiscent of 1930s Germany.

I guess we're now at the 'civil unrest' stage...
 
London seems to be going about it's days. Barely spoken about the riots at work. The behavior is distinctly different to 2011 (which makes sense), no one seemingly giving a feck.
 
We're at the point of fake news causing businesses and police mountains of issues as well as the brain dead thugs being able to play a game of chicken basically.

Rumours of a riot in Huddersfield at 1 today caused loads of businesses to shut, only for the only protesters to turn up being counter protesters.

Also rumours of an acid attack that my Mrs is convinced is real, only for me to find not a trace of it online.
 
Di Maria's angel said:
There's no relation between the government screwing a person over and that person racially abusing coloured people though. And I'm grossly understating the second part.
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There is though, unfortunately. It's rather circuitous and it's not an excuse or mitigation but the evidence to hand suggests it's in the mix.

We're getting into structural issues here and their relationship with behaviour but it's at times like these that I laugh at people who think class division is no longer an accurate way to analyse society.

I grew up in an awful part of Dublin and in the early 80s we experienced anti-traveller fascist organisation. It was outrageous and racist but to think the poverty and disenfranchisement of the perpetrators wasn't a factor is just plain wrong.

We emigrated to Australia as a not too indirect result.
 
SalfordRed18 said:
London seems to be going about it's days. Barely spoken about the riots at work. The behavior is distinctly different to 2011 (which makes sense), no one seemingly giving a feck.
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Same as York. Basically only shitholes have been affected.

I've decided to stop looking at stuff on x/tiktok, have things been calmer today generally?
 
Vidic_In_Moscow said:
Same as York. Basically only shitholes have been affected.

I've decided to stop looking at stuff on x/tiktok, have things been calmer today generally?
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There has to be more to it. Up in Scotland I don't think we've had any of this rioting, even in the massively deprived areas. And our level of nationalism is equivalent to England's - a different type of nationalism, granted, but still the same drum banging at the end of the day.

So what's different? I wish I knew.
 
Anyone who posted on social media assisting or encouraging the disorder on Britain’s streets in recent days could be prosecuted over the violence, even if they were were not at the scene, a legal expert has warned.

Mark Jones, partner at law firm Payne Hicks Beach, said individuals “do not need to be present when the crime itself is carried out, yet can be as guilty as the person who commits the crime itself”.

The warning comes as Keir Starmer said anyone whipping up violence online will face “the full force of the law”.

After chairing an emergency meeting of the Cobra committee on Monday morning, the Prime Minister said “the criminal law applies online as well as offline”.

Jones added: “People who assist or encourage another, or others, to commit a crime are known as accessories or secondary parties.

“They do not need to be present when the crime itself is carried out, yet can be as guilty as the person who commits the crime itself.

“In other words, you have a principal who carries out the offence and the secondary party who assists or encourages the commission of the offence by the principal.

“Secondary liability principles can be applied to most criminal offences, with offences of violence and public order being common examples.

“Social media provides a platform for people to misbehave and to commit acts which are criminal. It is necessary to look beyond the use of social media as the medium and to the offence being committed.”
 
Mr Pigeon said:
There has to be more to it. Up in Scotland I don't think we've had any of this rioting, even in the massively deprived areas. And our level of nationalism is equivalent to England's - a different type of nationalism, granted, but still the same drum banging at the end of the day.

So what's different? I wish I knew.
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Who knows mate. I almost rioted last week when I was given one of your notes in change. Straight to the bank to swap it for a real one
 
Mr Pigeon said:
There has to be more to it. Up in Scotland I don't think we've had any of this rioting, even in the massively deprived areas. And our level of nationalism is equivalent to England's - a different type of nationalism, granted, but still the same drum banging at the end of the day.

So what's different? I wish I knew.
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Your football season started this weekend, all the ‘ladz’ were already busy
 
Such an obvious answer when you say it. Didn't even think of the language
Kaos said:
I'd imagine being English speaking nations acts as a considerable draw for them, compared to the rest of Europe. They also might have settled relatives here too.
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Frosty said:
The perception is that they all come here, but that is not the case. Colonialism plays a part - migrants from former colonies head to the Metropole. It is why we don't get as many French speaking people from North African countries as France. Once communities grow in a country, people migrate there as well - see Turkish communities in Germany.

Also, the perception is fuelled by the fact people crossing the Channel is a very visible form of human movement. After Schengen, it is not so obvious if someone passes from the Netherlands to Belgium say.

The UK is not the biggest recipient of asylum seekers or migrants in Europe. Also most illegal immigrants come here legally on tourist visas and simply overstay.
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Didn't know that last paragraph. The rest makes sense. Probably poor reporting on the medias part as well.
 
11101 said:
From my experience with refugees in Italy usually they want to go where they know people, either they have family there or a few friends have made the journey already. None I ever met were heading for the UK but it's known to have a 'good' system in that its easier to get your application approved and they're given more support than other countries.
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Financial support I assume?

I wonder if that'd something that could addressed, not just with immigrants but British nationals as well (might apply to a lot of those in these riots).

Not sure how it would look or even work, but maybe Financial support shouldn't be offered unless a contribution history through working has been built up. Or maybe capped for a certain period of time. Maybe something like this is already in place. I'm not that educated on this particular matter.

Make it less lucrative for everyone not just immigrants (exceptional circumstances not withstanding).
 
moses said:
There is though, unfortunately. It's rather circuitous and it's not an excuse or mitigation but the evidence to hand suggests it's in the mix.

We're getting into structural issues here and their relationship with behaviour but it's at times like these that I laugh at people who think class division is no longer an accurate way to analyse society.

I grew up in an awful part of Dublin and in the early 80s we experienced anti-traveller fascist organisation. It was outrageous and racist but to think the poverty and disenfranchisement of the perpetrators wasn't a factor is just plain wrong.

We emigrated to Australia as a not too indirect result.
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Maybe I should have said "there shouldn't be"?
 
paulscholes18 said:
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Wonder if two tier Kier will say anything about this.
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I didn't see any violence there. Not saying that there hasn't been any since, but we are yet to see shops looted and set on fire police being pelted with stones or cars set ablaze at any of the Muslim gatherings. They difference between a protest and a riot is violence after all.
 
Mr Pigeon said:
There has to be more to it. Up in Scotland I don't think we've had any of this rioting, even in the massively deprived areas. And our level of nationalism is equivalent to England's - a different type of nationalism, granted, but still the same drum banging at the end of the day.

So what's different? I wish I knew.
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Do you lot have rabble rousing social media actors egging everyone on?
 
paulscholes18 said:
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Wonder if two tier Kier will say anything about this.
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If you genuinely think there is tier two policing in this country disadvantaging the white population, you're going to have link your data here. I hear it so much now it's almost become the far right motto.

Most of the policing data actually suggests white people get stopped/searched and arrested far less than black/brown people.

https://www.ethnicity-facts-figures...a shows that, in,for every 1,000 white people

https://www.ethnicity-facts-figures...-and-the-law/policing/stop-and-search/latest/
 
Kaos said:
"Wharton's solicitor Isaac Mirza"

A lot of these knuckle draggers, including our own Tommy seem to have a penchant for Muslim/POC lawyers. Question is why these lawyers are so willing to represent these absolute dregs? Not an expert on the law but from what I understand there isn't a hippocratic-oath like obligation to represent every degenerate that requests your services, you could just - turn them down? Unless these same lawyers figured they were 'one of the good uns' so were exempt from the hatred and vitriol their would-be clients love to spread, until they realise they very much aren't (as was the case with Robinson's lawyer).
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Best guess is they want to eat, they probably can't afford to turn down clients
 
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