England in India 2021

I'm sure the English media will talk about the umpiring today... Oh wait, media everywhere are cnuts and they won't!
 
English will chase this down easily. Flat pitch and lot of dew.
 
It was clearly out apparently even though the umpire looked at like 50 angles but still couldn't get a clear view . The problem with the catches like that is it will forever appear different depending on what team you support.
 
That's not what they're looking for. The soft signal was out so they're looking for conclusive evidence to overturn it. I reckon it's possible he could have had his ring fingers behind the ball, but we didn't have the angle that would show that.

Now you ask me how that makes sense for the third umpire to be beholden to the decision made by someone standing 60 metres away. That's the real stupidity.
It's VAR shit all over again innit
 
Nah don’t worry classic England collapse coming I can feel it in my water

I'm not even sure if you're jinxing or just being pessimist.

You have the best batting lineup in t20. There's dew and a flat pitch.
 
It was clearly out apparently even though the umpire looked at like 50 angles but still couldn't get a clear view . The problem with the catches like that is it will forever appear different depending on what team you support.

Nah mate. It appears different if you choose to be blind. The Sundar one was one of those that you can argue (but the right decision was taken due to the soft call), the SKY one was a joke. Hands are open, balls on the ground. It's a shocker.
 
Nah mate. It appears different if you choose to be blind. The Sundar one was one of those that you can argue (but the right decision was taken due to the soft call), the SKY one was a joke. Hands are open, balls on the ground. It's a shocker.

It's genuinely hilarious how anyone can look at that Sky dismissal and say yup there wasn't any conclusive angles to make sure it was not out :lol:

Sundar one was out I reckon.
 
That's not what they're looking for. The soft signal was out so they're looking for conclusive evidence to overturn it. I reckon it's possible he could have had his ring fingers behind the ball, but we didn't have the angle that would show that.

Now you ask me how that makes sense for the third umpire to be beholden to the decision made by someone standing 60 metres away. That's the real stupidity.


The funniest bit is the same on field umpire called a wide when it clearly hit the pad but we are supposed to value his decision from 50 metres on a ball inches from the ground
 


Malan must have unnaturally finger size to have some part of it below the ball.
 
I'm not even sure if you're jinxing or just being pessimist.

You have the best batting lineup in t20. There's dew and a flat pitch.

years of England always helps me lean to pessimism tbh
 
The right hand was completely out of the equation from the head on view, and the side view confirms that the left wrist and fingers were both angled outwards.

You don't have to see the ball actually touching the ground to be sure. Simply knowing that fingers don't have erections and magically grow three-four inches longer when taking a catch would also suffice.

Let's not blame the rules here. The fielder knew and yet celebrated, and the third umpire made the wrong call.

Pitch isn't doing much - I reckon we're about 20-30 runs below par. I think England will chase this down.
 
The right hand was completely out of the equation from the head on view, and the side view confirms that the left wrist and fingers were both angled outwards.

You don't have to see the ball actually touching the ground to be sure. Simply knowing that fingers don't have erections and magically grow three-four inches longer when taking a catch would also suffice.

Let's not blame the rules here. The fielder knew and yet celebrated, and the third umpire made the wrong call.

Pitch isn't doing much - I reckon we're about 20-30 runs below par. I think England will chase this down.

The wrist was, yeah, but the fingers are bent on both hands and it’s possible to have both your ring fingers touch with your wrist angled outwards and a huge gap between your middle and index. We can’t see either of those two fingers at any point and even though I think it’s probably grassed I can see why the third umpire wasn’t sure enough to overturn.
 
Laxman Sivaramakrishnan is probably the worst commentator in the world. Absolute moron.
 
The wrist was, yeah, but the fingers are bent on both hands and it’s possible to have both your ring fingers touch with your wrist angled outwards and a huge gap between your middle and index. We can’t see either of those two fingers at any point and even though I think it’s probably grassed I can see why the third umpire wasn’t sure enough to overturn.

The side view disproves that - it shows that the knuckle of the left ring finger was pointing out as well.
 
The side view disproves that - it shows that the knuckle of the left ring finger was pointing out as well.

Ah I’d have to see it again, but I still think it’s at least possible he had something behind it.

At any rate though, controversial opinion time. Unlike in the tests where wickets and the result matters, in a bilateral T20 which both teams are using as a glorified warm up I really don’t care too much about umpires getting those decisions right; I care more how long it takes them to not make a decision. I was enjoying watching SKY bat, so let’s call it not out and watch more of that rather than spend 5 minutes looking at blurry replays only to shirk responsibility anyway.
 
Am I the only one a little unsure about England's bowling attack balance?

Wood, Rashid and Archer will bowl you twelve overs, but I don't think Jordan is good enough to bowl 4 overs a game (he's basically a yorker and nothing else) and Curran and Stokes can both be gotten after too.

Seems to me you're basically playing 3 5th/6th choice bowlers who, ideally, would be bowling about 2 overs per game to make up 8 overs.

Edit: In hindsight, this is less a question of balance and more a question of ‘is Jordan good enough to be a 4th bowler’.

Jordan isn't quite as good as a death bowler as people like to think. The stats also sort of back that up.

https://wisden.com/stories/global-t...20/cricviz-analysis-chris-jordan-death-bowler

I still think this England T20 side has quite a few holes to it as well.
 
Am I the only one a little unsure about England's bowling attack balance?

Wood, Rashid and Archer will bowl you twelve overs, but I don't think Jordan is good enough to bowl 4 overs a game (he's basically a yorker and nothing else) and Curran and Stokes can both be gotten after too.

Seems to me you're basically playing 3 5th/6th choice bowlers who, ideally, would be bowling about 2 overs per game to make up 8 overs.

Edit: In hindsight, this is less a question of balance and more a question of ‘is Jordan good enough to be a 4th bowler’.
I'd certainly be looking to bring Ali back into the team in place of Jordan.

The only other frontline option at this stage might be Mahmood.
 
Malan showing why there are doubts about his place, despite all the runs he's scored.

If he catches up from here, then great but if not, it's a lot of balls wasted...
 
Third umpire had already said he'd made his decision, but the cameraman still ran him through another angle as if to tell him - can you please not feck up more today, be sure?
 
You can sorta see why MI is such a ridiculous t20 team. Kishan and Sky have looked our best batsman by a mile in two innings.
 
Jordan isn't quite as good as a death bowler as people like to think. The stats also sort of back that up.

https://wisden.com/stories/global-t...20/cricviz-analysis-chris-jordan-death-bowler

I still think this England T20 side has quite a few holes to it as well.


I hadn’t seen that, but that makes sense to me. I think it’s a slightly unfair comparison though, as that highlights Jordan’s impact for England is better than any of his competitors in the various leagues. I don’t really care if Jordan gets twatted about for KXIP or whoever he plays for because his England performances have been ok.

But yeah, whether he’s special at the death or not I feel like England bowl him at the top of the innings because they don’t want to pick a bowler who should only bowl at the death and he tends to get carted. Jordan’s a good fielder, but I do wonder if you’d get more out of Mills or Gurney (both left armers, too). Pat Brown got a bit of tap against NZ but I like the look of him too.
 
You can sorta see why MI is such a ridiculous t20 team. Kishan and Sky have looked our best batsman by a mile in two innings.
As an RCB fan, this is depressing. Tbf even without this, being an RCB fan is depressing.