This would be an interesting lineup. Still worrried about the midfield though.
England Euro 2024 Squad and Discussion
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No chance Southgate will drop bellingham. Come on. We all know what's he's like by now.
Too much Fifa.
I see Palmer has slotted into the messiah role held by Bellingham after game one and Foden after game two
Gordon, Mainoo and Palmer deserve to start next match. Bellingham and Kane need to be dropped. It won't happen though.
That's not a million miles off the lineup I said ye should go for before the tournament
Southgate doing a tremendous job mimicking the 2004 Greece team at the Euros. Scintillating stuff!
If Shaw isn't going to be fit in this tournament, which is looking likely, we desperately need a soluton for LB. Either a pacey right footer or a slower natural left footer would be OK. We have a slow right footer who's also out of form. Foden hasn't been great this tournament, but his partner on the left had side isn't helping him.
Even if shaw get's fit enough, it's going to be a hell of a risk bringing him back in after 4 months without playing during the knockout stages.
Joe Gomez could be the answer. He's a pacey right footer and spent most of last season covering for Andy Robertson at left back.
Greece scored in every game in their group in Euro 2004, scoring twice as many goals as England have this year, and that was playing Portugal, Spain and Russia.
Now he’s not. They were superb and an exhibition of organisation and defending solidly as a unit. He’s a million miles away from what they were doing en route to the final.
Exactly. Rehhagel did it with one of the worst squads in the tournament, Southgate is doing it with one of the best.
One is an achievement, the other an embarassment.
Rehhagel’s was a plan executed in fine detail. Southgate is just terrified by everything, and that fear has permeated the team whilst Greece were absolutely full of belief and conviction in what they were doing. The squad disparity is certainly the first thing to pick up on, but the sheer belief and sense of purpose between the two managers and their squads also sticks out, as they are worlds apart.
If England were putting on a similar run of performances, it could be frowned upon from the POV of not using the attacking players at the manager’s disposal, but a rock solid defensive unit doing what Greece did, could be grumbled at aesthetically, but there’d also be praise and acknowledgment from some quarters for Southgate being able to set up and execute something so water tight. Southgate isn’t capable of any such masterclass.
Foden has temporarily returned to the UK due to a "pressing family matter"......
How will the squad look with Foden's departure if his absence is long term?
If Palmer comes in on the right, we could play Saka at left back.
Then Gordon on the left in place of Foden, who shifts into Bellingham's place.
Foden will be much more effective where Bellingham is playing now.
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And why where Greece so full of belief? Because Rehhagel looked at the available players and understood that this was the way to get the most out of them and their skills.
If Southgate was doing the same he would have England play attacking, entertaining football. Comparing those two managers/teams is just a bad take in multiple dimensions.
Southgate doesn't know how to play attacking, entertaining football.
The best performances under him have still come from the rigid, defensive shape he sets up across the back and at the base of his midfield.
He's tried to move on from that this tournament, but has seemingly given it no more thought than "take out one of the holding midfielders", and even then he's lamenting the absence of Kalvin Phillips.
The way he's set up the front four makes it abundantly clear that he has no idea what to do with attacking players.
He's essentially handicapped himself with his squad selection this tournament. He may as well have brought along Rashford, Grealish, Sterling and Henderson, as he obviously doesn't trust the players he's replaced them with.
I don't think they'll miss him too much. Gordon is a much more direct runner, and will create more. Foden if anything has been a bit greedy
Yes, good summary. And that's why Rehhagel is one of the managerial greats (at least in Germany) and Southgate is nobody in the big picture of the football world.
Could be a blessing in disguise. I dont think Southgate would have moved him from that LW role by choice, but now will have to try something else. If that works he wont be able to move back to Foden.
Reckon we’ll play amazingly next game now. Not to knock Foden but one of the 3 needed to be dropped so sad it’s him but Kane 9, Bellingham 10, Mainoo/Rice, Gordon LW, Saka or Palmer RW (ideally Palmer based on form) and we’re away.
Clarified quickly but briefing that he's left camp to deal with "pressing family matters" when he's gone back for the birth of his child is silly.
Hopefully all goes well with his partner and baby and he's back soon enough.
Hopefully all goes well with his partner and baby and he's back soon enough.
Taking the Inseminator Sterling on head to head it seems.
Gotta catch up to the Inseminator Sterling.3rd already?Isn't he 23/24? Is he on the Elon Musk plan of populating the world?
That baby could easily be England's player of the tournament if it takes long enough to pop out that Foden misses the next game.
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Better, much better.
Unless he's actually back in time for the match and Southgate is daft enough to shove him right back into the starting lineup.
I think he will be back for the match, assuming there aren't complications. At best he'll miss a few days of training so I'd expect he will be on the bench. Starting him on Sunday would be a silly move
That child has three children. Bizarre.
*Points at Euro 2021*
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Yep. I think Palmer is first off the bench now for sure but the problem is there’s no chance he drops Kane. At best he drops one of Foden/Jude
Yep. I think Palmer is first off the bench now for sure but the problem is there’s no chance he drops Kane. At best he drops one of Foden/Jude
That's incredibly strange to see all three underperforming.
Foden home. Gordon has to start then.
One game on the bench could be enough. I dont expect gordon to magically be the saviour, but i expect his presence down that left hand side to give us much more balance and give defending sides something to think about down that side which we've sorely lacked so far.
It will also give people room to breathe in the middle with one less body to be standing on each others toes outside the opposition box.
If we look a better side without foden southgate wont walk it back. He'd be silly to do so. The fact Southgate could be saved blushes by something out of his hands is honestly comical, cause theres no way he would have had the balls to leave foden out otherwise, im still not convinced he will until i see it in writing at 4 on sunday.
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