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Hummels and Ginter are slower than the pouring of a Guinness draft so you attack those 3 with pace and it puts them under a ton of pressure. The only issue is that Rashford is so badly out of form you don't know what you'll get and he won't drop Kane as he's the captain and top goal threat.

I think you put Rashford and Grealish/Sterling up top and that would pose serious issues against that back line OR you open up the pressure book at go into a flat 433 and press your front three onto their back 3
 
bosskeano said:
Hummels and Ginter are slower than the pouring of a Guinness draft so you attack those 3 with pace and it puts them under a ton of pressure. The only issue is that Rashford is so badly out of form you don't know what you'll get and he won't drop Kane as he's the captain and top goal threat.

I think you put Rashford and Grealish/Sterling up top and that would pose serious issues against that back line OR you open up the pressure book at go into a flat 433 and press your front three onto their back 3
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He really isn't. I don't know what he's providing right now but it isn't even good hold up play. Saka's fearless play makes him a real danger but I think the Germans will be quite cagey knowing if England play like they did against the Czechs then the opportunities are there for a counter
 
Inigo Montoya said:
He really isn't. I don't know what he's providing right now but it isn't even good hold up play. Saka's fearless play makes him a real danger but I think the Germans will be quite cagey knowing if England play like they did against the Czechs then the opportunities are there for a counter
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Kane nowadays only good at breathing heavily for england. He doesn't provide attacking outlet or run near post or link up play.

I understood why Southgate persist with him but recent matches as evidence I will start rashford instead of him to attack germany with pace.

With zero movement from kane it's easier to defend against England.
 
Fortitude said:
The bracket gives England every chance of getting to the final, but with Southgate in charge, it feels like England will come up woefully short.
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Also Germany has enough warm up against two "proper teams" in France and Portugal. Now they're able to see their weaknesses and maybe made proper adjustment.

England has not faced "real" competitor so far.
 
Isotope said:
Also Germany has enough warm up against two "proper teams" in France and Portugal. Now they're able to see their weaknesses and maybe made proper adjustment.

England has not faced "real" competitor so far.
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If I'm on the German analysis team, I'm briefing that you flood the midfield, suffocate supply to the forwards and let Rice and Philips have the ball before swarming them leading to easy turnovers and a chance to run at the backline.

England's forward line aren't performing, but the screws can really be turned by forcing them to go deeper and deeper to assist the midfield. Kane looks sluggish and like he can't keep up with the play, nor is he holding up the ball to play others in, which forces his flankers to do too much. By pressing the midfield, those flanks will have work harder and from deeper to progress the ball, which is exhausting, and once tired, mistakes inevitably creep in.

Germany don't look particularly dangerous - very beatable with the right personnel and strategy, but Southgate won't put out a midfield that can drive the Germans back and negate what I believe will be an easy press. Bellingham and Grealish absolving Rice of anything but the basic, conservative passing he's shown thus far would be my preference, but Southgate is not going to start a game of such magnitude with a 17-year-old CM and I feel his apprehensive nature will give the Germans the midfield and the impetus to really drive a wedge between the supposed connective transition points through the midfield into attack.

This German team are nervy and can be rattled if the pressure is kept on them, but that goes against Southgate's principles and I think it'll play right into their hands. A better manager and I'd go into the game thinking England could really make a mark on the tournament with a statement performance in this game.
 
golden_blunder said:
The best thing England could do is go with Rashford + one other with pace. I think pace could hurt Germany. Kane doesn’t look at the races. If England go out it’ll be a bit of a damp squid
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I think you’re putting Germany up on a pedal stool there.
 
Fortitude said:
If I'm on the German analysis team, I'm briefing that you flood the midfield, suffocate supply to the forwards and let Rice and Philips have the ball before swarming them leading to easy turnovers and a chance to run at the backline.

England's forward line aren't performing, but the screws can really be turned by forcing them to go deeper and deeper to assist the midfield. Kane looks sluggish and like he can't keep up with the play, nor is he holding up the ball to play others in, which forces his flankers to do too much. By pressing the midfield, those flanks will have work harder and from deeper to progress the ball, which is exhausting, and once tired, mistakes inevitably creep in.

Germany don't look particularly dangerous - very beatable with the right personnel and strategy, but Southgate won't put out a midfield that can drive the Germans back and negate what I believe will be an easy press. Bellingham and Grealish absolving Rice of anything but the basic, conservative passing he's shown thus far would be my preference, but Southgate is not going to start a game of such magnitude with a 17-year-old CM and I feel his apprehensive nature will give the Germans the midfield and the impetus to really drive a wedge between the supposed connective transition points through the midfield into attack.

This German team are nervy and can be rattled if the pressure is kept on them, but that goes against Southgate's principles and I think it'll play right into their hands. A better manager and I'd go into the game thinking England could really make a mark on the tournament with a statement performance in this game.
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Agreed with these. England setup just like United if they still go with 4-2-3-1. And what the opponent usually did with United, which is pressuring McFred, it would happen with England's Rice/Phillips too. Pressure them to make mistake, and cut off the supply to the only creative player in Grealish (just like us with Bruno), then it will cut off supply to the frontline. Having Maguire and Stones at the back are crucial. Luckily Maguire is back.

Solving this is, just like us playing Pogba on the wing, by adding Sancho to the wing to add more creativity. Otherwise, Kane has to go deeper and further away from the goal.

Germany's defence is, like you said, a nervy one. They've been leaking goals left and right. But then it's Germany.
 
bosskeano said:
Hummels and Ginter are slower than the pouring of a Guinness draft so you attack those 3 with pace and it puts them under a ton of pressure. The only issue is that Rashford is so badly out of form you don't know what you'll get and he won't drop Kane as he's the captain and top goal threat.

I think you put Rashford and Grealish/Sterling up top and that would pose serious issues against that back line OR you open up the pressure book at go into a flat 433 and press your front three onto their back 3
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Although I agree they arent the quickest.....they handled Mbappe reasonably as a group. I think people are under playing how Germany have done so far as they struggled to qualify. They were very even with France everybodies favourites and from memory had more of the ball, were just not clinical up front, they spanked Portugal at times....the holders and they made some big errors but still overcame a Hungary side that drew with France and held out against Portugal for most of the game.........AND they have Goretzka with minutes behind him now over two games which makes a huge difference to the midfield when Kimmich isnt in it.

This side so far doesnt seem as clinical or organised as past Germany sides and it doesnt have superstar attackers like Klinsmann or Moller we have come across before. But player for player wise its just as strong as past Germany sides overall, mainly that have played togethre for Bayern as well through the spine.

Personally the opening gmae of that group, though both sides didnt play great....I think we may well have been watching the final Germany v France. If we perform well, we can beat them, but we havent so far.....and its the Germans, I have sat thorugh a great performance at Italia 90, watched Euro 96 on my 22nd birthday, the last game at the old Wembley...I am just already filled with inevitable dread personally.....which is all the more sickening seeing the draw, get past Germany we are favourites for the final
 
The Telegraph are reporting that Southgate is considering switching to 3 at the back for the Germany game.
 
People are way too harsh on Kane tbh. I think he did alright in the third game and no manager in their right mind would pick Rashford over Kane for this fixture . You can talk about Kane's form but Rashford has hardly set the world alight over the last 6 months and so it's pretty much a no brainer.
 
RoyH1 said:
The headlines really write themselves if that is the case. England has to solve this in full time. Going to extra time with Germany is asking for trouble unless you’re Italy.
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Yeah apparently they haven't lost a penalty shootout for about 4 decades so we only have a max 120 mins to win the game
 
It's a shame southgate isn't open to the idea of a false 9 because out of many of our attacking players, kane is the one in attack that is coming up short, grealish, mount, sterling, saka and foden have looked better
 
Just like 2018 England are in the 'easy' side of the draw. Wonder if they can go all the way this time?

Possible matches

R16 - Germany
QF - Sweden
SF - Netherlands
 
jesperjaap said:
Although I agree they arent the quickest.....they handled Mbappe reasonably as a group. I think people are under playing how Germany have done so far as they struggled to qualify. They were very even with France everybodies favourites and from memory had more of the ball, were just not clinical up front, they spanked Portugal at times....the holders and they made some big errors but still overcame a Hungary side that drew with France and held out against Portugal for most of the game.........AND they have Goretzka with minutes behind him now over two games which makes a huge difference to the midfield when Kimmich isnt in it.

This side so far doesnt seem as clinical or organised as past Germany sides and it doesnt have superstar attackers like Klinsmann or Moller we have come across before. But player for player wise its just as strong as past Germany sides overall, mainly that have played togethre for Bayern as well through the spine.

Personally the opening gmae of that group, though both sides didnt play great....I think we may well have been watching the final Germany v France. If we perform well, we can beat them, but we havent so far.....and its the Germans, I have sat thorugh a great performance at Italia 90, watched Euro 96 on my 22nd birthday, the last game at the old Wembley...I am just already filled with inevitable dread personally.....which is all the more sickening seeing the draw, get past Germany we are favourites for the final
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You're right about Goretzka but if they keep the same system who will they drop? Kroos?Gundogan? Or will he put one more midfielder if he keeps the 3 at the back system?

Anyway don't think the last 2 games from Germany can be used as a metric for Wembley. Against Hungary they forgot they actually had to play and win , they also were burocratic, Portugal was a tatical crap and mess with the coach absolutely doing nothing to stop their 5 against 4 superiority where we made Goosens look like the new Roberto Carlos.

Actually Portugal always fails against Germany, even recently against Spain, Italy or France they can pull a trick here or there, against Germany is useless. Regarding England they have the same mental block, but I would say that I won't be surprised if Southgate returns to the 3 at the back lineup to adjust to them.

And if this time England playing at Wembley is afraid of Germany they must better give up and quit football.
 
Southgate is holding this team back big time. Such a talented group of players, and he is having them play the most boring and cowardly way possible. Absolute hack.

The only reasons fans are tolerating it is because they are still in the tournament. Hope Germany knocks them out. Because once you start losing despite playing negative football, that's the worst possible combo.

You just know he will not start Grealish and Sancho because they are too "risky". What a waste of a talented team.
 
Eternitiy said:


Elite.
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Him and Maguire have been consistent the whole season. Even in the England game, for all the talk of Kyle Walker being creative and John Stones being a good ball player, Shaw has been more creative and in one game Maguire showed more ball progression that Stones has since the tournament began.
 
Isotope said:
Agreed with these. England setup just like United if they still go with 4-2-3-1. And what the opponent usually did with United, which is pressuring McFred, it would happen with England's Rice/Phillips too. Pressure them to make mistake, and cut off the supply to the only creative player in Grealish (just like us with Bruno), then it will cut off supply to the frontline. Having Maguire and Stones at the back are crucial. Luckily Maguire is back.

Solving this is, just like us playing Pogba on the wing, by adding Sancho to the wing to add more creativity. Otherwise, Kane has to go deeper and further away from the goal.

Germany's defence is, like you said, a nervy one. They've been leaking goals left and right. But then it's Germany.
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Good post. Completely agree. Every time ball goes to the base of centre midfield, in particular Rice, it meets congestion and everything slows down. There's not so much point in having attacking talent in front of the centre midfield if there is that kind of weakness in there as the supply lines just get totally shut off. We might do slightly better if we have Henderson and Phillips instead of Rice, but I agree with you that the person to beat the press is Bellingham. Southgate will be cautious. But fortune favours the brave and I can see it being an attritional game where theres a possibility we score from a set piece before gradually ceding control of the midfield resulting in hanging on for dear life and then either losing in ET or penalties. Shame because think everyone would accept a defeat if the team set out to take the game to the opponent for more than just the first 20 mins. This is what I'm expecting, but I would love to be surprised.
 
tentan said:
Just like 2018 England are in the 'easy' side of the draw. Wonder if they can go all the way this time?

Possible matches

R16 - Germany
QF - Sweden
SF - Netherlands
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I'd hate to see another game against Sweden due to the football played by both teams making for a potential snoozefest but I think the Netherlands could be a real test if they make it that far. Their midfield has impressed me when I've seen them and I thought they were supposed to be having a lot problems with their manager/squad.
 
SCP said:
You're right about Goretzka but if they keep the same system who will they drop? Kroos?Gundogan? Or will he put one more midfielder if he keeps the 3 at the back system?

Anyway don't think the last 2 games from Germany can be used as a metric for Wembley. Against Hungary they forgot they actually had to play and win , they also were burocratic, Portugal was a tatical crap and mess with the coach absolutely doing nothing to stop their 5 against 4 superiority where we made Goosens look like the new Roberto Carlos.

Actually Portugal always fails against Germany, even recently against Spain, Italy or France they can pull a trick here or there, against Germany is useless. Regarding England they have the same mental block, but I would say that I won't be surprised if Southgate returns to the 3 at the back lineup to adjust to them.

And if this time England playing at Wembley is afraid of Germany they must better give up and quit football.
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Nothing to do with mental block, we are just worse.
 
saivet said:
The Telegraph are reporting that Southgate is considering switching to 3 at the back for the Germany game.
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I’d be very shocked if this is the case.

Moving from a back 10 to a back 3 is far too progressive and attacking for a manager of Southgate’s capabilities.

The sooner he’s stripped of the job and sent off to manage the likes of Preston, Walsall and Crewe the better. His level.
 
Why would you start such negotiations in the middle of a tournament? Mind boggling for so many reasons.
 
Turns out the FA is more incompetent than the United board. Who would have thought?
 
Southgate seems to get credit for just having a good squad. As a manager he's added nothing.
 
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