England Cricket 2016/17 - Bangladesh, India & West Indies (ODI's only)

Kohli was magnificent today. One ball bounces more than usual and the next one is ankle-height but no problem for Kohli. He's playing like it's an ODI.

It'll be very hard for England to bat on this surface.
 
Kohli is incredible form this year. Has there ever been anyone in better form over all formats of the game? His 2016 has been immense.

Averaging 72 in 9 tests.
92 in 10 ODIs.
106 in 15 T20Is.
 
Kohli is incredible form this year. Has there ever been anyone in better form over all formats of the game? His 2016 has been immense.

Averaging 72 in 9 tests.
92 in 10 ODIs.
106 in 15 T20Is.
Super player, wonder if he keeps performing like this for the next 10 years would he be rated on the same level as Sachin?
 
Super player, wonder if he keeps performing like this for the next 10 years would he be rated on the same level as Sachin?

No. The likes of Lara (in tests) and Tendulkar (overall) will soon past legend status and go into the "incomparable" category. The most Kohli can do is become his equal, not better him. Kohli will also never have to carry a shit team the way Tendulkar did when in his prime. The country used to just turn the TV off when he got out.
 
No. The likes of Lara (in tests) and Tendulkar (overall) will soon past legend status and go into the "incomparable" category. The most Kohli can do is become his equal, not better him. Kohli will also never have to carry a shit team the way Tendulkar did when in his prime. The country used to just turn the TV off when he got out.

He has been carrying India in limited overs for the last 2-3 years. The last wt20s ive never seen a bigger one man team than India in any sports.
 
No. The likes of Lara (in tests) and Tendulkar (overall) will soon past legend status and go into the "incomparable" category. The most Kohli can do is become his equal, not better him. Kohli will also never have to carry a shit team the way Tendulkar did when in his prime. The country used to just turn the TV off when he got out.

Huh Tendulkar carried a shit team? He had Sehwag, Dravid, Laxman, Ganguly, Kumble, Zaheer to name but a few..

Speaking as a Pakistan and England fan I think this Kohli guy is something seriously special - a potential all time great. Mentally seems tough as feck and I reckon he would have thrived in any era.
 
Huh Tendulkar carried a shit team? He had Sehwag, Dravid, Laxman, Ganguly, Kumble, Zaheer to name but a few..

More the late 90's (96-99-ish) when Dravid, Ganguly, Laxman were still finding their feet, some of the old guard had retired/become shit and the likes of Sehwag, Zaheer, Yuvraj etc.. still hadn't made their debut's.
 
Huh Tendulkar carried a shit team? He had Sehwag, Dravid, Laxman, Ganguly, Kumble, Zaheer to name but a few..

Speaking as a Pakistan and England fan I think this Kohli guy is something seriously special - a potential all time great. Mentally seems tough as feck and I reckon he would have thrived in any era.

Tendulkar started well before them mate.
 
More the late 90's (96-99-ish) when Dravid, Ganguly, Laxman were still finding their feet, some of the old guard had retired/become shit and the likes of Sehwag, Zaheer, Yuvraj etc.. still hadn't made their debut's.

Tendulkar started well before them mate.

Fair enough, I do feel in that 96-99 era.. you've got Azhar, Kumble, Srinath, Dravid, Ganguly - understood that some are finding their feet.. but talent wise, it is still a strong team - just perhaps that in the context of that era and the sides they were up against, it was underwhelming.

This current India side, Ashwin, Pujara are solid players but I feel whenever Kohli is on the crease, India look and feel like a top side but if he was MIA .. I am not scared of the rest of the team. He is the spine of the side imo.
 
Fair enough, I do feel in that 96-99 era.. you've got Azhar, Kumble, Srinath, Dravid, Ganguly - understood that some are finding their feet.. but talent wise, it is still a strong team - just perhaps that in the context of that era and the sides they were up against, it was underwhelming.

This current India side, Ashwin, Pujara are solid players but I feel whenever Kohli is on the crease, India look and feel like a top side but if he was MIA .. I am not scared of the rest of the team. He is the spine of the side imo.

Oh, no doubt. Fully agree in fact. He's already our 2nd best ODI batsmen and best match winner we've ever had. Still some way off in Tests but he has the talent to get there. And as @Skills said he's been a one man team in the last 2 T20 WC's especially the last one where he quite literally dragged us to the semis.
 
What a catch.

Am concerned India are 50 short on the board. Just panicky batting all morning.
 
The pitch is a death trap now. Ashwin will be unplayable. Excellent bowling by broad though.
 
The pitch is a death trap now. Ashwin will be unplayable. Excellent bowling by broad though.

I am not sure about that. It is misbehaving from the end Broad is bowling on lengths shorter than what Ashwin would bowl. Rashid's end seems fairly benign. Hopefully I'm wrong.
 
Whatya think, chasing 400 on this pitch in 5 sessions? :lol: I should just go to bed.
 
Jadeja is such a massive fecking clown with the bat. Zero application. I refuse to believe he ever scored a triple hundred. Idiot.

Need to revisit the 5 bowler theory. In theory a good idea but Kohli doesn't seem to trust the 5th bowler. Not that Yadav looks any good...
 
Jadeja is such a massive fecking clown with the bat. Zero application. I refuse to believe he ever scored a triple hundred. Idiot.

Need to revisit the 5 bowler theory. In theory a good idea but Kohli doesn't seem to trust the 5th bowler. Not that Yadav looks any good...

I remember when he was selected, there were loads of people saying he's an all rounder and quoting his 3 triples.

Five bowlers is crap. No great team ever played with 5 specialist bowlers. Can dress it up all we want, but Ashwin is a bowler who is handy with the bat. Not a test #6.

England are going to win this. 360 in 5 sessions.
 
I remember when he was selected, there were loads of people saying he's an all rounder and quoting his 3 triples.

Five bowlers is crap. No great team ever played with 5 specialist bowlers. Can dress it up all we want, but Ashwin is a bowler who is handy with the bat. Not a test #6.

England are going to win this. 360 in 5 sessions.

Ashwin is clearly not the problem. I'd rather have him at #6 than clowns like Rohit or Saha.

Problem is getting the most out of the 5th bowler and picking the right one.
 
Ashwin is clearly not the problem. I'd rather have him at #6 than clowns like Rohit or Saha.

Problem is getting the most out of the 5th bowler and picking the right one.
What are our options? I genuinely don't know.

I don't rate Jadeja in test cricket. He's an excellent player to have in T20s but test cricket needs a completely different approach.
 
This guy looks good with the bat. Jadeja should be shown videos of these 2.
 
What are our options? I genuinely don't know.

I don't rate Jadeja in test cricket. He's an excellent player to have in T20s but test cricket needs a completely different approach.

He's fine as a bowler imo maybe even better than Ashwin in overseas conditions. But the fantasy of relying on him to score runs needs to die.
 
Need to revisit the 5 bowler theory. In theory a good idea but Kohli doesn't seem to trust the 5th bowler. Not that Yadav looks any good...

It's because the 5th bowler rarely contributes and is usually a liability with both bat and the ball (Stuart Binny anyone?). Mishra was terrible with both the bat and ball in Rajkot. 4 bowlers cannot manage the workload (especially during a long season) and the lack of any decent all rounders - except Ashwin - means India needs 5 bowlers if they want to win. Rohit did well in NZ series (4 half centuries in 6 innings) but got injured at the wrong time. Saha had a good year until the Eng series. If Rohit was available, Kohli would have most probably gone with the same composition as in the NZ series.

I don't think India would ever need Mishra as the 3rd spinner. If it's a turning track, Ashwin and Jadeja should be enough since they can bowl long spells without getting tired. Mishra is at his best (as most leggies) when batsmen try to take him on, which doesn't often happen in test cricket. India should try preparing the turning tracks (like how SL usually do?) as it takes out the importance of winning toss and batting first as well as giving them a chance to play an extra batsman. That would lower the pressure on Kohli as batsman as well.

Ashwin knows he cant play shots and hence bats according to his limitations. India should probably stop expecting Jadeja to play shots and ask him to play like Ashwin (or even Jayant!) unless he needs to blast for an imminent declaration (like it happened vs NZ)
 
England still in with a chance I'd say. Pitch hasn't deteriorated as much as I'd thought it would. Some poor batting by us today.
 
England still in with a chance I'd say. Pitch hasn't deteriorated as much as I'd thought it would. Some poor batting by us today.

This would be close to the biggest chase in tests. And Rashid was getting turns. Get root out and India have a chance
 
Solid last wicket standing for India. We've no chance. Don't think we'll make 300.