England Cricket 2016/17 - Bangladesh, India & West Indies (ODI's only)

Duckett is miles out of his depth.

Who knew Div 2 cricket wasn't very good preparation for this tour?
 
DiseaseOfTheAge said:
What do you think about the two division set up?
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I like it, but fans (and selectors) have to remember that Div 2 is Div 2 for a reason and Duckett will never have seen bowling of this quality or pitches like this. Its hard to quantify the difference in the stats, and I realise they took a punt on Duckett's talent, but I'm not convinced someone like Nick Gubbins or Keaton Jennings wouldn't be doing better so far.
 
Tough ask to save the follow on.

NinjaFletch said:
I like it, but fans (and selectors) have to remember that Div 2 is Div 2 for a reason and Duckett will never have seen bowling of this quality or pitches like this. Its hard to quantify the difference in the stats, and I realise they took a punt on Duckett's talent, but I'm not convinced someone like Nick Gubbins or Keaton Jennings wouldn't be doing better so far.
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I do wonder at times if because it's relatively recent, and cricket fans do not tend to be the sorts who easily change their mindset, people just can't quite get their heads around this and continue to just see first class cricket as first class cricket.
 
Who is the English cricketer who retired due to health reasons? Jason Roy? Nick Compton?
 
prath92 said:
Yeah he had some heart issues right? What happened to nick Compton? I see he is doing analysis on Cricinfo?
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Results weren't good enough. People have suggested he over-thought international cricket and that got the better of him. Which may explain why analysis is a thing that comes naturally to him.
 
DiseaseOfTheAge said:
Did he? Or did we just assume he would be, cause he was seen as a specialist, at the time?

Played around a bit with the cricinfo stats tools and his average in India, before he reached his 30's, seems to be 29.8.
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Perception vs reality I guess. I do know for a fact Jimmy has struggled in the sub continent as a whole though, hence his career average of 28.28, nothing special.
 
Yorkeontop said:
Perception vs reality I guess. I do know for a fact Jimmy has struggled in the sub continent as a whole though, hence his career average of 28.28, nothing special.
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I'm not knowledgeable enough to know how to do it but I'd be intrigued to see his stats with his current (and original) action vs. the reformed action he had for a while. I don't know how much that failed experiment affected his average.
 
Yorkeontop said:
Perception vs reality I guess. I do know for a fact Jimmy has struggled in the sub continent as a whole though, hence his career average of 28.28, nothing special.
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Thats just not true though. His average in India is good for a pacer, its poor in Sri Lanka but I think he's only played there in one series early on and its excellent in the UAE on similar pitches.

DiseaseOfTheAge said:
Tough ask to save the follow on.

I do wonder at times if because it's relatively recent, and cricket fans do not tend to be the sorts who easily change their mindset, people just can't quite get their heads around this and continue to just see first class cricket as first class cricket.
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And there's nothing wrong with that as a general rule, but it just requires more care. For example, James Vince averages 40, but he averages 50 in Div 2 and 20 in Div 1; that should ring alarm bells.
 
Yorkeontop said:
Perception vs reality I guess. I do know for a fact Jimmy has struggled in the sub continent as a whole though, hence his career average of 28.28, nothing special.
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I think you're wrong (albeit, you admit this!). In India, he's always posed a problem for us. Looking back at the past series', he had a very good first tour of India and has an average of 28 in India. I remember all the matches he's played in and conditions have either been flat or favoured spinners (obviously).
 
Anderson is obviously a great bowler everywhere now. 2-3 levels below Steyn (who's one of top 2-3 ever) but still comfortably the second best around for a long time.
 
Skills said:
Anderson is obviously a great bowler everywhere now. 2-3 levels below Steyn (who's one of top 2-3 ever) but still comfortably the second best around for a long time.
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Agree with that.

Anderson is very good. Styen is 'once in a generation' good, if you'll excuse the not truly accurate colloquialism.

Jimmy would get a lot more credit were it not for Steyn. Steyn would probably get more were it not for Anderson bridging the gap between him and the rest.
 
Di Maria's angel said:
I think you're wrong (albeit, you admit this!). In India, he's always posed a problem for us. Looking back at the past series', he had a very good first tour of India and has an average of 28 in India. I remember all the matches he's played in and conditions have either been flat or favoured spinners (obviously).
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DiseaseOfTheAge said:
Worth remembering, when looking at those stats, that it includes subcontinental batsmen's efforts in English conditions.
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He averages 20.55(UAE), 28(INDIA) and 40.73(SRI LANKA). Hasn't played in Bangladesh according to the site. This gives him an average of 29.76 in test matches on the sub continent, close enough to his career average of 28.24 to blow my perception of him out of the water.
 
Yorkeontop said:
He averages 20.55(UAE), 28(INDIA) and 40.73(SRI LANKA). Hasn't played in Bangladesh according to the site. This gives him an average of 29.76 in test matches on the sub continent, close enough to his career average of 28.24 to blow my perception of him out of the water.
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Interesting. Thanks.

Potentially also worth considering that his tours of the subcontinent have largely been this side of his career, rather then the early days?

I don't know. I'm putting more effort in to arguing your case than you are, for some reason...
 
DiseaseOfTheAge said:
Interesting. Thanks.

Potentially also worth considering that his tours of the subcontinent have largely been this side of his career, rather then the early days?

I don't know. I'm putting more effort in to arguing your case than you are, for some reason...
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I'm still shocked he struggles so much against Australia and South Africa.

Vs Aus 32.87(H) . 38.45(A)
SA. 37.77 . 39.92

37.25 overall against these 2 countries.

Overall as a 30 something (2012 onwards) he averages 25.33. Not the kind of improvement I thought I'd see(Had 22 in mind).
 
I can't be the only one who thinks Jayant Yadav's a bang average off spinner.
 
I don't understand why the third umpire took ages to give that? If it's hit the bat it's out, if it hasn't its still out.
 
Akash said:
I don't understand why the third umpire took ages to give that? If it's hit the bat it's out, if it hasn't its still out.
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Think the soft decision was LBW and the review was for that. I'm not sure of DRS laws but I think if there was edge it would be not out.
 
Kohli can declare on 0-0 and still win this match by 50 runs.
 
prath92 said:
Think the soft decision was LBW and the review was for that. I'm not sure of DRS laws but I think if there was edge it would be not out.
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Nah it would still be out. Would make a mockery of DRS if that wasn't the case.

Also Dharmasena is an awful umpire.
 
Rod Tucker got two decisions wrong in two overs. DRS saved England both times.

But Rahul's dismissal I'm not sure about. UltraEdge heard something but replays didn't convince me.
 
I think we'll do well to get 150. Bounce is becoming very inconsistent now.
 
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