Clearly you've graduated from the school of hard knox......I.e Fifa 10 and 11
England at World Cup 2014
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Clearly you've graduated from the school of hard knox......I.e Fifa 10 and 11
No way Gerrard is untouchable
Unfortunately woy is in love with slippery g when it's clear he's past it
Anyway, that crap is over. Let's get back to real football.
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Wasn't such a controversial statement before the World Cup.
still funny when you read it now.
This hype of 'mimicking' the Liverpool way of playing, and 'Brenton Rodgers finding a way for Hodgson' was just overdone so much. Ashley Cole should have been the first choice left back, no matter what Noodlehair thinks and throwing additional creative midfielders in the pitch against Italy and Uruguay was just plain madness. England clearly had no plan if they concede, or if they score. They just ran around without pressing too much, didn't play with patience when Uruguay gave up possession and couldn't effectively contain Italy. It's almost as if Hodgson saw Sterling in the training and thought nobody can stop this kid. Rooney on the left to accommodate Sterling in the center? Sterling played mighty well for a young guy in the team, but why force that on him? He played wide for Liverpool, why not play him again there? Apparently to counter Pirlo. Look how well that went?
England haven't really been that bad this World Cup. The reality is that the team is simply not as good enough as the supporters think - and certainly not in the top tier of teams alongside Spain,
Germany, Brazil etc.
In terms of 'playing football' it's definitely an improvement from 2010 but the defence has gotten a lot worse at the same time.
Germany, Brazil etc.
In terms of 'playing football' it's definitely an improvement from 2010 but the defence has gotten a lot worse at the same time.
Dunno about that...2010 was pretty bad for you lot
The thing that will annoy the English fans is that the team's sum is lesser than the parts. Chile had a defence including Medel who played Defensive midfield for Cardiff and another guy who played for Notts forest. Cahill and Jagielka had stellar seasons with Everton and Chelsea. Chile not only shut down Spain, but did it quite dynamically. Somehow, Chile seemed to thrive on the stage with their unheralded players, but England should be doing much better.
See Robben, Robin Van Persie putting their shift for Netherlands. They were quite like England, not fancied too much, came here to play their best and lighting up the tournament, delivering on the biggest stage. However much you sympathize with Gerrard and Rooney, they haven't done their best. 1 open net goal is all Rooney can do? There are issues and they should be resolved instead of saying 'Oh our team is not good enough'
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The difference in both the defense is absolutely staggering.
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The difference in both the defense is absolutely staggering.
Ive said this many times, if we can simulate the whole england game with cgi, use generic makeshift man for each player, you'll see england as it truely is, a shit team that always fails to string more than 5 passes.
How i looked at chile, russia, croatia, australia, even korea and japan and sand to myself: i dont know who tge feck is playing, but almost everyone keep cool under pressure and made a slick pass all over the pitch.
Englad cohession and tactical plan is so terrible you will be amazed that this teams is actually filled with top tier player.
How i looked at chile, russia, croatia, australia, even korea and japan and sand to myself: i dont know who tge feck is playing, but almost everyone keep cool under pressure and made a slick pass all over the pitch.
Englad cohession and tactical plan is so terrible you will be amazed that this teams is actually filled with top tier player.
I think Hodgson is the problem here. Some people are giving him credit for improved performance -- but that's due to having better players and not due to Hodgson.
There are clear problems with this team he should've addressed: both the fullbacks, Gerrard and possibly Rooney.
There are clear problems with this team he should've addressed: both the fullbacks, Gerrard and possibly Rooney.
Yeah we're the coolest under pressure..
so many technically gifted players....
*cough* we're not good *cough*
From the two match ive seen you pass better than England
From the two match ive seen you pass better than England
I think this current crop of players has been particularly average. It doesn't help that your most gifted players (Rooney and Gerrard) are having terrible tournaments.
But as an outsider looking in its amazing the pressure the media put on the team. An average England side being hailed as potential world champions based on nothing more than national pride and as soon as things go wrong scapegoats are made in the most vicious way. Rooney training with the reserves to get his shit together is seen as a negative. The fact you would print something like, handing a phsycological advantage to your opponents is just shocking anyway.
But as an outsider looking in its amazing the pressure the media put on the team. An average England side being hailed as potential world champions based on nothing more than national pride and as soon as things go wrong scapegoats are made in the most vicious way. Rooney training with the reserves to get his shit together is seen as a negative. The fact you would print something like, handing a phsycological advantage to your opponents is just shocking anyway.
Rooney still hasn't "delivered" but he has scored one and assisted one - and we have only scored two as a team.
Hodgson picked a decent enough squad but made several errors;
- poor team choices (trying to fit Rooney in at any cost)
- poor substitutions (taking Welbeck off, leaving Gerrard on - both games)
- for a lot of these youngsters it was their first tournament. Why is this Woys fault? Because he should have picked half of them two years ago for the Euros. Instead we had the likes of Lampard and Terry and not enough youth. This is a new generation for England but it should have started two years ago, not now.
I would like to see a proper, modern, progressive manager in charge. Mix it up with a 3-5-2 or similar, don't be afraid of bruising some egos.
Hodgson picked a decent enough squad but made several errors;
- poor team choices (trying to fit Rooney in at any cost)
- poor substitutions (taking Welbeck off, leaving Gerrard on - both games)
- for a lot of these youngsters it was their first tournament. Why is this Woys fault? Because he should have picked half of them two years ago for the Euros. Instead we had the likes of Lampard and Terry and not enough youth. This is a new generation for England but it should have started two years ago, not now.
I would like to see a proper, modern, progressive manager in charge. Mix it up with a 3-5-2 or similar, don't be afraid of bruising some egos.
I hope we see a youthful lineup in the last game, whether we can still qualify or not.
One of the CBs out, I don't care which, Gerrard out, Johnson out. Barkley in, Jones in, Oxlade-C in.
What a pile of shit that was last night. We don't have intelligent football players in our country. We are brought up to clear the ball by hoofing it away, to not take risks by overpassing the ball etc etc and worst, we are clueless at understanding and appreciating how to play a game and when to play a certain way.
If we had shut up shop after Rooney's goal and got the draw, we'd still be favourites to qualify.
One of the CBs out, I don't care which, Gerrard out, Johnson out. Barkley in, Jones in, Oxlade-C in.
What a pile of shit that was last night. We don't have intelligent football players in our country. We are brought up to clear the ball by hoofing it away, to not take risks by overpassing the ball etc etc and worst, we are clueless at understanding and appreciating how to play a game and when to play a certain way.
If we had shut up shop after Rooney's goal and got the draw, we'd still be favourites to qualify.
Hart is past it IMO as well. The only reason why he's there because he plays for city like casillas and there's no one that's probably coming true at the moment.
For people of a certain age who remember Italia 90 pretty clearly:
The same amount of time has elapsed between Italia 90 and now as between 66 and Italia 90.
The wait for any kind of tournament success continues.
The same amount of time has elapsed between Italia 90 and now as between 66 and Italia 90.
The wait for any kind of tournament success continues.
Has Joe Hart actually made a save yet? I think he sold himself so early for the Suarez winner. I know keepers don't want to be embarrassed by letting the bal in at their near post but any further over and he'd have been in the crowd... and then did that spread your whole body as wide as possible instead of diving the way the ball goes. OK the pace of the bal might still of beaten him bu the slightest touch might have taken it away from the goal
Yeah, that's pretty amazing. You would still think England have an ok-ish defence, untill you compare the two. On each position, the former defence was a lot better.
You got to give credit where it is due - At least we won the passing, Aerials AND possession! Adds up to a win in my opinion.
64% Pass Success 83%
41% Aerial Success 59%
37% Possession 63%
Brenton
64% Pass Success 83%
41% Aerial Success 59%
37% Possession 63%
Brenton
Lampard didn't even go to the Euros. And you're really critcisizng Terry's inclusion at the Euros? Because Jagielka did much better didn't he?
If either one of Gerrard, Johnson, or Baines starts next game, I will shoot myself in the leg. I was obviously pissed off watching England hoof the ball up and down the pitch, but that's expected of them. What really got to me was the fact that they seemed content with playing as they were, and that Roy couldn't make a ballsy statement by taking one of his superstars off. A night to forget really.
What an underwhelming performance that was. And you can analyse it all you like but the bottom line is that, once again, the evidence is clear that our best players are not good enough. Its not tactics its just a lack of quality at the highest level of competition when the top players deliver.
That England backline is horrible. Baines' defensive limitations have been thoroughly exposed and, yes, Cole should have gone. Cahill and Jagielka are ball watching cnuts. Say what you like about Terry but he wouldn't have handed ratface 2 goals last night thats for sure. Rio and Terry were a different class to these two.
As for Hart well at the highest level his poor decision making and lack of composure is clear for all to see. He has me looking nervously over my shoulder just sat on the couch.
Gerrard is done - put him out of his misery if he doesn't do the decent thing and throw the towel in himself. He's like one of those naff cheap Porsche you used to get - looks the part but on close inspection there's no quality there and a only VW Beetle engine under the bonnet. Henderson is not an international footballer and never will be.
Wayne did ok but should have had at least two. Again his touch looked really poor at times. With a clinical striker we could have, at the very least, avoided defeat in both games and possibly won both. Chances have gone begging. There is one world class forward at OT and he's Dutch.
Causes for optimism are Lallana, Sturridge, Barkley, Sterling and Ox but this team has no spine.
On the plus side am absolutely delighted that bollocks is over and done with and can now concentrate on watching LVG and RVPs Dutch team and monitoring possible future United players.
That England backline is horrible. Baines' defensive limitations have been thoroughly exposed and, yes, Cole should have gone. Cahill and Jagielka are ball watching cnuts. Say what you like about Terry but he wouldn't have handed ratface 2 goals last night thats for sure. Rio and Terry were a different class to these two.
As for Hart well at the highest level his poor decision making and lack of composure is clear for all to see. He has me looking nervously over my shoulder just sat on the couch.
Gerrard is done - put him out of his misery if he doesn't do the decent thing and throw the towel in himself. He's like one of those naff cheap Porsche you used to get - looks the part but on close inspection there's no quality there and a only VW Beetle engine under the bonnet. Henderson is not an international footballer and never will be.
Wayne did ok but should have had at least two. Again his touch looked really poor at times. With a clinical striker we could have, at the very least, avoided defeat in both games and possibly won both. Chances have gone begging. There is one world class forward at OT and he's Dutch.
Causes for optimism are Lallana, Sturridge, Barkley, Sterling and Ox but this team has no spine.
On the plus side am absolutely delighted that bollocks is over and done with and can now concentrate on watching LVG and RVPs Dutch team and monitoring possible future United players.
Its not totally over yet.
If Italy beat Costa rica 1-0. They then beat Uruguay by any score. England need to win 3-0?
If Italy beat Costa rica 1-0. They then beat Uruguay by any score. England need to win 3-0?
Would be nice to start with Shaw, Wilshere and whichever other little whippersnappers we have in the squad who havent had much time on the pitch against Costa Rica.
The only way for England to get through is the F.A. promising Italy a money reward if they beat the Uruguayans
Ashley Cole should have went
We lost the first two games, we deserve to be out. If we go through now it will feel tainted for me. I know that is stupid because itd mean two other teams in the group have done worse than us but still.
Anyway, we wont go through. We probably wont even beat Costa Rica.
Anyway, we wont go through. We probably wont even beat Costa Rica.
Carrick, Terry and Cole should have went
What was Mark Lawrenson saying? That England are much better than Uruguay and Italy and no Italy player can make it to England starting XI? And that England will top the group and at least get to the QFs? Psshh... must feel like a right mug now
Yes. Accept the fact that there is absolutely no chance Italy will beat two teams they are significantly better than and that we will defeat Costa Rica.
Oh wait, when you think about it, its really not that unlikely to happen. Although still probably won't to be fair.
Wait, he didn't actually say that did he? Please say he didn't.
Oh please. They were only troubling us down our left hand side and we were creating far more than them despite them keeping better positon. Save the English moaning mentality for when we actually don't perform.
Can't remember who wrote it but - "England are less than the sum of their parts" sums it up perfectly for me.
Some of the parts aren't that great, Gerrard and Henderson were particularly poor last night, but other teams manage to pull together and even the lesser names contribute massively, Ron Vlaar anyone?
Agree totally that even if we still have a chance to go through, we should drop Gerrard, Baines, Johnson, Jagielka and Henderson. Replace with Wilshere, Shaw, Jones, Smalling and Ox. Since Woy didn't pick Carrick its hard to see who should sit in front of the back 4, but Gerrard has gone mentally and physically. The end of the PL season confirmed this. Just go for it against Costa Rica, lets see a 5-3 or something like that. Nothing to lose now.......
Some of the parts aren't that great, Gerrard and Henderson were particularly poor last night, but other teams manage to pull together and even the lesser names contribute massively, Ron Vlaar anyone?
Agree totally that even if we still have a chance to go through, we should drop Gerrard, Baines, Johnson, Jagielka and Henderson. Replace with Wilshere, Shaw, Jones, Smalling and Ox. Since Woy didn't pick Carrick its hard to see who should sit in front of the back 4, but Gerrard has gone mentally and physically. The end of the PL season confirmed this. Just go for it against Costa Rica, lets see a 5-3 or something like that. Nothing to lose now.......